Dennis Kucinich Connects The Dots On The Possibility Of War With Iran

[Playinghardball]

Rep. Kucinich refuses to accept what seems inevitable on Capitol Hill

Found on StopTheWarCoalition’s Facebook page

[leveymg]

1. It's unfortunate that Dennis was so villified here by some. He makes eminent good sense.

[Yooperman]

3. It's easy to see why he is villified...

He tells the truth!

YM

[Yooperman]

2. Exactly!!

One of Americas honest leaders.

[ZombieHorde]

4. We don't go to war against countries with nukes, so Iran needs nukes.

Then we can move on to the next boogeyman.

[provis99]

5. of course.

We will never war with North Korea, because they got nukes. Look what happened when Saddam Hussein and Moammar Qadaffi voluntarily gave up their weapons programs.

[phasma ex machina]

6. "Do we need another war? ... Did we run out of wars?"

[AverageJoe90]

7. Kucinich makes some very good points here, but I will have to disagree with one thing;

Barring the miraculous ascension of a moderate in Tehran, which, IMO, isn't likely without an anti-Islamist pro-democracy revolution, the chances of Iran actually working with us or the Israelis is next to NONE. Zilch, zip, zero.

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. Iran was labelled "the access of evil" when it did have a moderte President who was seeking moves

toward nomalization of relationships with the United States. That sure taught them a lesson.

[tcaudilllg]

15. I agree. Gosh... ah... what is this, laying blame for sitting back and letting populations

exterminate each other?

I'll bet we would fail -- outright fail -- to defeat Iran. We could invade, but the casualties would be twice that of Iraq. And a lot of other ridiculous possibilities aside. Admittedly, I believe Iran will try to force Israel's hand on Palestine once it gets the bomb, but at the end of the day, they won't dare. There is no need for war with Iran in my opinion. Ahmadinejad may think himself capable of being Hitler, but the world has changed and that card has already been played. We've seen how the type behaves, and whether he likes it or not, we know how to control him.

[AverageJoe90]

22. I'm hoping we don't get involved in a war with Iran, either, especially not a ground war.

[chervilant]

12. The US government

has provided a rich history of foreign policy decisions that render Iran's pursuit of nuclear technology inevitable.

If you have not already done so, read LaFeber's The American Age.

(BTW, our global economy will NOT benefit from another manufactured war. Such an event will only prolong the pain and agony of the ongong economic paradigm shift.)

[Dont call me Shirley]

17. The chances of isreal actually working with iranis zil, nil, nada, nein. Ask the palestinians.

[Mosaic]

8. Spoken like a true Patriot

Not these phony baloney assholes that pretend to be patriots.

[ejbr]

10. Maybe he'd have at chance at being president

if he changed his name to something stupid Americans can pronounce?

That would be awesome.

[raindaddy]

11. Maybe We Should Start Listening

A trillion plus spent on searching for non-existent WMD.. Ten years slogging around the tribal state of Afghanistan.. Most Americans have had it with these wars. Maybe it's time we start taking people like Dennis a little more seriously.

[lunasun]

13. Also spent on a attack to get bin laden which is done is now if anyone was waiting for that*Saddam 2

[BigD_95]

14. I love Dennis but

if he thinks you can sit down with Iran and say dont build nukes because of such & such expense. Its laughable. Dealing with them is not something that can be done in any reasonable way. Its just not. There are bad people in this world. Bad leaders that are not reasonable.

I also hate when people say " what if Iran was flying near our air space" Its not the same. Not in any way. There is a reason why countless countries support stopping Iran from getting nuclear power. Its not some made up fairly tail that it would be a very bad idea. The own rhetoric coming out of that country says as much. Talking about wiping Israel off the map. Come on Dennis.

Im not saying we should go to war or anything. But something needs to be done and I do trust Obama with this issue.

[truth2power]

21. I wish you would read the actual transliteration of what he said regarding wiping israel

off the map.

I have second thoughts about posting this, because it's likely to start a humongous flame-war and anyone who would look at my posts from way back when DU first started would know I don't try to disrupt or start flame wars. I try to choose my words carefully.

But I'm getting sick and tired of reading and hearing that that's what was said. At the very least, we can be accurate and then proceed with a discussion from that point.

I'm not optimistic, however.

And "Iran flying near our airspace" IS the same. We wouldn't allow it, and they shouldn't either. America is not the only country in the world that has sovereign rights.

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"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

Re: There were times, during the Bush Reign of Terror that I wished for the REGIME that occupied Washington, DC to vanish from the pages of time. That did not mean I was wishing for the entire American nation to be destroyed.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

16. There he goes, being ethical again.

The human race has been given a huge problem to solve, can we still exist as a species in the future?
Care to guess how many problems we need to overcome?
Environment, overpopulation, nuclear exchange, hate, unsustainable use of resources, war...
Part of the problem or the solution?
It's up to you.

[Dont call me Shirley]

18. Thanks Dennis, you are truth, embodied.

[jerseyjack]

19. Remember, War = Profit

There will be war.

[sabrina 1]

20. He makes too much sense. I don't know how he has managed to stay focused

on principles in a town where even good people seem to eventually cave to whatever the pressures are once they get there.

[flexnor]

23. Pat Buchanan and Kucinich actually agree on many things

on war and jobs, they are far more in agreement, than not

today's USA issues to not easily lend themselves to 'simple 'right' and 'left' labels

for instance, in the US Senate Republican Grassley, Democrat Durbin, and Independent Socialist Bernie Sanders all agree on H-1b visa abuses

[Selatius]

24. They tend to agree on economic issues and foreign policy issues, but for divergent reasons.

Buchanan, unlike other Republicans, actually favors a country that actually does have a strong manufacturing base providing good-paying jobs to Americans. Where he may disagree on Kucinich is the reasoning for his position. While Kucinich favors a strong manufacturing base for the sake of preserving the middle class and union manufacturing jobs, Buchanan may favor it simply because he is revolted at the idea of a foreigner making our products, especially if it is in a country run by a military dictatorship that calls itself communist.

Buchanan comes from an older strain of Republicanism that was more isolationist in world-view and a little bit more protectionist in trade to varying degrees, and they were this way for good reason. They didn't want the nations of Europe or China or India or any other country manufacturing our stuff if they were at constant risk of being blockaded, invaded, or bombed. Imagine the chaos if a war the size of World War Two erupted across the globe, while our economy is heavily dependent upon foreign manufacturing just to get the goods it needs.

[flexnor]

25. when you kick out people who are for the right things for the wrong reasons

on important issues, you lose

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

26. Kucinich is the last of the...

... principled lawmakers inside the Beltway -- nearly ALL are now wholly owned.