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Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:55 PM

 

President Obama Has Evolved On the Issue Of Civil Liberities

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Reply President Obama Has Evolved On the Issue Of Civil Liberities (Original post)
frontier00 Jun 2013 OP
Downwinder Jun 2013 #1
truth2power Jul 2013 #16
suzanner Jun 2013 #2
rug Jun 2013 #3
Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #4
ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #13
Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #14
cantbeserious Jun 2013 #5
snappyturtle Jun 2013 #6
Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #7
rhett o rick Jun 2013 #8
dotymed Jun 2013 #9
Doctor_J Jun 2013 #10
dotymed Jun 2013 #11
20score Jun 2013 #12
sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #15
truth2power Jul 2013 #17

Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:11 PM

1. Power corrupts.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 10:53 AM

16. ...

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:38 PM

2. So, it's almost like

the tea baggers were right- he IS a kind of twisty Manchurian candidate...? I think we all know our goose is cooked here. It's just trying to get more smarter people in congress, senate, local and state... before it's over or too late. Voting law shored up and free world class public education for all, single payer health insurance, news media back to public interest and libel/heavily fined for false and misleading info, free and equal air time for candidates for public office, reverse the gerrymandering of districts, corporate laws reinstated and audited, government 'servants' and elected officials' actual jobs and pay/payola audited.. and down the line. But most people aren't even paying attention, at least that I see.

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:57 PM

3. He looks weighed down now.

 

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:18 PM

4. You can say that he has done a 180 on just about all his campaign speeches.

 

I wonder if he calls bush to apologize for criticizing him when he has become him.

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Response to Arctic Dave (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:33 PM

13. President Obama is still way, way better than President Bush was.

President Obama is a better diplomat, less hawkish, and more gay friendly than President Bush.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #13)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 02:49 PM

14. That is a pretty low bar to judge by.

 

Obama is still a failure when it comes to Democratic principles. But, yes, he is a waaay better repuke then bush was.

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:46 PM

5. Not So Evolved On Surveillance

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:47 PM

6. K&R Thank you for posting this video. It's scary listening to the President

today on this issue. I will not compromise on the 4th amendment. It's too precious to give up just to make the gov't'd job of keeping us safe easy. I don't think the founding fathers thought it would ever be easy to keep our republic secure. imho

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:39 AM

7. Thanks to Shrub/Cheneystein, and now you Mr. President, that IS WHO WE ARE NOW!!!!

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:55 AM

8. I loved candidate Obama. WTF happened? nm

 

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 06:37 AM

9. Reminds me of the nixon

"I'm not a crook" speech.
I stupidly voted for candidate Obama twice.

While he may have been a better choice than rmoney or Mcinsane, he was not the best man for the job. Unfortunately, he has proved that and is still proving it.

IF he actually was doing a 180 on civil rights, he would trash the TPP and all of the other "free trade agreements." He would fight for Unions. He would actually make govt. transparent and stop all programs that conflict with the Constitution (there are so many "black ops" carried out against sovereign nations that Americans have no clue of, I know a couple of special forces guys who are deployed on "special missions" very frequently).

I no longer believe the "official stories" because the important ones (to me) never prove true.

Oh yeah, why punish instead of embracing whistle blowers?

fire away..

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 09:15 AM

10. But we're all racists who never liked him

 

He's also evolved on state-sanctioned torture, cuts to SS and Medicare, endless wars and "defense" spending, Single payer Healthcare, environmental protections, support for organized labor, and some other issues. bvar22 has an entire playlist of his campaign BS. It should be posted every time one of the apologists wants to know why dem voters don't show up. Can you even imagine a Repuke president abandoning his voters like our supposed Dem president has?

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 09:41 AM

11. What has happened

to "the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:55 AM

12. I'm beginning to hate those who defend this as much as I hate baggers.

They think the same.

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 07:29 PM

15. The old Obama sounded sharp.

 

The new Obama sounds drugged.

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Response to frontier00 (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 12:22 PM

17. Something appears to be wrong and it really concerns me...

He seems to be at a loss for words a good bit of the time.

That concerns me because, whatever else I may think of him, I don't believe he's stupid or inarticulate. It seems like he hasn't really integrated, or owned, the position he's trying to present to the public, if that makes any sense. It appears he's trying to put the best face on things. Thus the comment of another poster on this thread that he seems almost like he's drugged, figuatively speaking.

I put this over against what I've read from numerous sources about his and his mother's possible association with the CIA from way, way back. It's relevant to this discussion because you'd think he'd be on-board with what the intelligence agencies are doing. I can't figure it out.

Regarding the previous paragraph, and before the loyalists show up to flame me and accuse me of taking my orders every morning from Alex Jones, I need to say that the CIA connection is something that's been out there for a long time, but I most recently read it in William Blum's new book "America's Deadliest Export: Democracy" (pp. 292-94, including documentation). I consider Wm. Blum to be a credible source.

But I digress...I do think it's alarming how Pres. Obama's position has changed. I would call it devolved.




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