Putin to (Nobel Prize winner) Obama: 'Think about future Syria victims' (FULL VIDEO)

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

[dkf]

1. Scoldings from Putin. Beyond sad.

[AllTooEasy]

9. ...and what is Putin going to do about future Syrians victims...

...of chemicals, rockets, bullets, and incendiary devices if the US doesn't intervene? We already know that answer:

NOTHING!

Anyone that thinks Putin give truly gives a crap about Syrians is in la-la land. This guy does care about his own people. Next, someone is going to post a scolding message from Kim Jun Un begging for compassion for the Syrian people.

What a hypocrite!!! HIS empty peace loving proclamations only hurt the anti-war cause.

[Sand Wind]

2. Yeah right, but Putin had contracts to respect ! Lol

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

15. Don't give up Sand Wind...

... I'm sure you'll manage to express a coherent thought in the form of a sentence one day. Keep trying.

[Sand Wind]

17. "coherent thought in the form a sentence one".... No comment...nt

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

19. I'm not talking about your grammar, I'm talking about making...

... a response to the OP that actually has some relevance and makes sense -- is that too much to ask?

[Sand Wind]

20. The missiles, the helicopters and all the stuff Putin gives to Assad in the middle of a civil war,

With the pretext of respecting past contract... If you listen to another source than the official propaganda TV of the Kremlin, you would have understand my sentence.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

22. And you know of course that the US has...

... been indirectly funding/supplying the Syrian rebels, right? You know this is not an authentic revolution, right? The destabilization of Syria has been engineered and largely financed by the West.

Toppling Assad has been on the drawing board for well over a decade. You're familiar with this right?

[Sand Wind]

23. Are you saying that Obama is taking part in the PNAC conspiracy ?

And the because Obama take part in that PNAC conspiracy, he lied when he said he believe Assad gassed his own people ?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

25. I'm just showing you the relevant history...

... you appear to be so blissfully ignorant of.

[Sand Wind]

26. Nope, you are just taking past bulshit for present reality, get a glass of water and go to bed,

Don't forget the Tylenol, your gonna have a headache tomorrow.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

29. How frustrating it must be for you...

... trying so hard to whip up support for an illegal military intervention with so few believing it's a rational or justified action for our government to take.

What's a war monger to do?

[bpollen]

35. There must be...

some back-story to this issue between you. From reading his posts here, he doesn't appear HERE to have been " trying so hard to whip up support for an illegal military intervention" or war-mongering, has expressed "coherent thought", and his statements could be described as having "some relevance" and "makes sense." What I see from yours is a definite case of ad hominem attacks and a very closed mind.

I don't believe I agree with his position, but I don't have to assume my opposition is stupid in order to make myself feel better. If you know better, PROVE HIM WRONG! Politically, ad hominem attacks are a pretty dependable sign that the ATTACKER's position is the weaker of the two.

[DhhD]

46. In my opinion, International Law supersedes military intervention. The US has not been attacked.

Putin spoke of International and the World Community. He used it as a summary towards the end of his interview.

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2013/08/creating-new-international-law-justifications-for-using-military-force-against-syria/

Keyboard the address below, in your search box, if it is not a link.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL31133.pdf

[CthulhusEvilCousin]

3. I hope everyone realizes

that Russia is a country that perpetually performs criminal acts against their citizens and even other nations that surround them. Tell the people that have been brutally murdered or locked away in Russian prisons by Putin's government that he deserves a Nobel prize.

[DeSwiss]

8. Gee!!! That sound like the US too!

* Perpetually locks up in prison 70% of people who only makeup 12% of its entire population!

* Perpetually dumps poisons and radioactive wastes into the air and water supply and sickens the entire population but in particular the poor!

* Perpetually fucks with its neighbors (Mexico, et. al.) and dares them to do anything about it.

You know, you can immediately tell when someone realizes they cannot argue against the merits of a fact presented, as in this case here. Because they'll always go after the messenger and sling mud on them in the hopes that the ignorant among us will become confused and distracted. As if even a horrid asswipe like Putin here, can't also tell the truth about something. Something that any awake person would've already known anyway, without have to be informed by this jerk. But most people have their eyes closed and only hear the things that reinforce their fantasy.

- Unfortunately, most of the time it works all too well.

[CthulhusEvilCousin]

32. Seriously?

You're seriously going to compare the United States to a criminal regime like Russia?

How many people are in American prison because they were either investigating the government or protesting the government? Last I checked, people were in jail for crimes they were convicted for in a court of law. Not in a show-trial like in Russia where they are convinced for a make-believe crime and then tossed into prison.

While, certainly, not all states have the best environmental laws, are you saying that Obama and the Democrats do not care about the environment and are signing legislation to force the States to dump pollution? And what radioactive material has gotten me sick? I'm poor, yet I haven't lost all my hair from all the plutonium the government is supposedly laying around.

When was the last time we messed with Mexico? The American-Mexican war? Or are you referring to the war on drugs? Or maybe are you referring to our desire to allow a pathway to citizenship for 11 million or so of their people in our country? Now, supposing the war on drugs really is an awful thing, can you tell me how in any way it is in violation to American or Mexican law that we wage it? When the Russians invaded Georgia, was that like their "war on drugs"? I saw photos of decapitated Georgians cut to pieces by Russian munitions. Is that what the United States does in Mexico?

You know, you can immediately tell when someone realizes they cannot argue against the merits of a fact presented, as in this case here. Because they'll always make absurd and nonsensical assertions wherein they compare what is, despite all its flaws, still a good country like the United States that we are trying to improve, with a corrupt country like Russia where people like us, making these comments about their own country, would likely be beaten half to death in a dark alleyway.

Unfortunately, most of the time these tactics work all too well.

[DeSwiss]

34. No.

I'm not doing any comparing. You are.

- Since you can't argue the merits of the truth of his statements, I suppose......

[CthulhusEvilCousin]

37. Yes

You're doing comparing.

Why should I even take seriously a sociopath like Putin on anything, even on the very small chance I might agree with it? Let's criticize our own leaders, and tell scumbags like Putin to keep their hypocrisy and self-serving insanity to themselves.

[DeSwiss]

38. Right out the chute you target the messenger.

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Instead of his message.

That's all I have to say.

You can dance all you want.

But there it is.

Finito.

[JoeyT]

39. Uh. I wouldn't go waving around the

"We don't expose our citizens to radioactive waste!" sign too hard.

The Church Rock spill happened in 1979. Funding for a serious cleanup was finally allotted in 2008. They didn't tell the people downriver that they were being exposed to anything until they had absolutely no choice. It's still not cleaned up.

We killed a million Iraqis more or less for the sheer hell of it. So I wouldn't wave the "Doesn't harass other countries" sign too much either.

Yeah, we're better than Russia, but that's a really low bar.

[David__77]

4. I agree with everything he said here.

It is totally sensible.

[snappyturtle]

14. I didn't find anything to object about in this statement.

I'm also glad to have the opportunity to directly hear what he has
to said rather than read a written summation of what he said.

[Tx4obama]

5. 'Russia Today' is a ''... government-funded mouthpiece for the Kremlin."

It's bankrolled by the Kremlin...

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

7. Are you saying you don't...

... believe these are actually Putin's remarks?

What does RT have to do with the content of Putin's commentary?

Why not address his remarks? That's what the video's about.

[DeSwiss]

6. Don't you just hate it......

...when a homophobic ass like Putin is right about something else?

- K&R

[sharp_stick]

10. Putin can go fuck himself

that KGB piece of shit has had plenty of time to yammer about his buddy in Syria and has done nothing.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Manipulative, cynical sociopath. He props up someone who nerve-gasses children in their beds.

[DeSwiss]

12. As opposed to.....

- ...droning them to death in their beds??? Yes, I see your point. That's much more humane than gassing 'em. And, and, and.... we give reparation$ for our mistake$!!!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

13. Another key distinction...

... of course is that there is STILL NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE of Syrian government involvement in these gas attacks, whereas US government involvement in the drone deaths of scores of civilians in countries we are not even at war with is an established fact.

[DeSwiss]

24. EVIDENCE, SHMEVIDENCE!

We don't need no stinkin' EVIDENCE!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

27. That would be a lot funnier if it wasn't true...

... or was at least an exaggeration of the truth.

[DeSwiss]

28. I know, I know.....

''What is one to do when, in order to rule men, it is necessary to deceive them?''
~Helena Blavatsky

[David__77]

16. There is a weird McCarthyism in the Democratic Party.

You had ex-SOS Clinton complaining of "re-Sovietization" of Europe, and a wide-ranging Russophobia. It is very odd. Putin's words are completely reasonable.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

21. Yes they are.

[another_liberal]

43. He is convincing as well.

Just show us the goddamned evidence, and not some redacted bull with half the text blacked out either.

[Ellipsis]

18. ...

[Sand Wind]

30. Great. Nt

[obama2terms]

31. Give me a damn break

If he's o.k. with people being beaten, arrested, jailed, their lives destroyed, their families being threatened etc. all because someone is LGBT, then I highly doubt he cares about what happens to innocent Syrians either . I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not taking human rights advice from someone that would make Adolf Hitler proud.

[DeSwiss]

36. They're all full of shit.

It's a matter of degree and sophistication. Western nations are just better at covering it up, and/or getting people not to give a shit about some ''other'' since we're all fighting one another for a job and to keep from starving or getting cancer in a system that only values you if you can be monetized.

But the paradigm shift is upon us and this is part of it.

And it can go either way.

- It's our choice.

[iamthebandfanman]

33. like he did in georgia no doubt n/t

[another_liberal]

42. Georgia attacked Russia . . .

Not the other way around. It has long been an established fact who initiated warfare on that occasion.

[Sand Wind]

48. But South Ossetia is part of Georgia, right ? Nt

[another_liberal]

53. Not according to the South Ossetians.

The people who live there voted to stay with the Russian Federation when the Soviet Union broke up. They currently do have Russian citizenship, not Georgian.

Below is a link to a Russian popular movie (with English subtitles) you might find interesting. It is a romance thriller, not a documentary, but does deal with the early days of that war:

[stonecutter357]

40. I hate Libertarians more than Republicans.

He is OK with gas but fuck the Gay.

[Sand Wind]

49. +1000. Nt

[another_liberal]

41. I am delighted to see that RT News is once again considered a "Reputable News Source."

Just a few days ago one of my posts was ruled "off topic" because I had used RT News as my source. I was told my post was blocked because I had not used a "Reputable source." I did complain at that time that RT News is, in fact, an internationally recognized news source, at least as "Reputable" as American news networks such as CNN and FOX. I am delighted to see that RT News is once again considered a "Reputable news source" by the moderators reviewing posts on Democratic Underground.

As to President Putin's comments:

Unless and until we are allowed to see the actual evidence of who is responsible for using nerve gas on civilians in Syria, I find it hard not to agree with President Putin's reasoning. Blaming the attacks on Assad and his government is at this point just an unfounded leap of faith.

[David__77]

44. Well it would be especially silly to remove a video that simply is a press conference.

That is too bad that RT has been treated differently than, say, France 24 or al Jazeera. Press TV or Fox News are grey areas.

[another_liberal]

45. True, indeed it would be.

I would go even further and say it's silly to block RT News at all, while still allowing Murdoch's Right Wing crap from FOX!

[DhhD]

47. A man worthy of a Peace Prize (Obama); is he about to make the same mistakes that

Putin (a man not worthy of a Peace Prize), has made?

Where is the evidence, Putin asks.

I am waiting to see the evidence sent to Congress and for Congress to report it to the American People. Obama is kicking the can down the road to Congress but holding on to the strings with a finger on the triger.

[iandhr]

50. There is a Putin fan club here?

Wow.

[Sand Wind]

52. Yep...

[jakeXT]

54. Looks like Putin and Cameron have something in common, they didn't expect the voting result. /nt