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Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
1. With todays blood borne pathogens, stopping blood flow with bare hands is remarkably...
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:07 PM
Sep 2013

...brave. If he had any first aid training he understood the danger and acted regardless.

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
3. Here's another "odd boy" who didn't like sports . . .
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:28 AM
Sep 2013

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Raoul Wallenberg


I suspect the late Soviet physicist and human rights activist Andrei Sakharov also happened to belong to that category. Neither one of them were wimps, to put it mildly. And there are many others.



Stlsaxman, I shall watch your video later when I have time. I just had to post the above. Perhaps I should have watched your video first.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
6. Wallenberg was certainly no wimp!
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:14 AM
Sep 2013

Not sure the correlation you're drawing here but any post about Wallenberg is a good post. He was a great man who saved many thousands of lives.

The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band was from early '60's British Television and rock... a contemporary of The Beatles and Monty Python and Peter Sellers and the like, they're campy comedy comes from working in burlesque clubs as well. Neil Innes went on to do all Monty Python music/songs and soundtracks as well as developing the Beatles spoof band The Rutles with Eric Idle.

"Sport (The Odd Boy)" is from the Bonzo album Keynsham as are two of my favorite songs-

the title track



and "What Do You Do?"



Their first song ever recorded was a take-off of Count Basie with an extraordinary list of guest musicians-



to the last song the beautifully sad "Slush"



The Bonzos are not to be missed.

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
7. Thank you very much, stlsaxman, for the information about the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band and . . .
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 11:58 PM
Sep 2013

. . . the music videos! I had not heard of the BDDDB before. I was a seventh grader in the U.S. when the British Invasion began. On the Monday morning following The Beatles' first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show, I was greeted by the sight of classmates who were wearing women's wigs at my junior high school. I was a big fan of The Beatles, of course, along with other groups and singers; but I never got to hear about BDDDB until now. (Chalk it down to my being culturally deprived.) Their music is very interesting. The song before the last one is hilarious. I'll have to introduce them to my daughters, both of whom are now university graduates. They keep up with a lot of stuff of this sort; so, they may have already heard of them. Thanks, again, for the music videos.

Please forgive me, sometimes I take things literally. I was afraid the song "Sport (The Odd Boy)" was ridiculing boys who have no interest in sports. I happen to have been one myself when I was young. I simply never had an interest in sports, although I would have benefited immensely from a bodybuilding program (in more ways than one) if I had been introduced to such. (In fact, today I work with a personal trainer at a local health club on a bodybuilding program -- which is something I enjoy greatly, something which has been healthy for me psychologically as well as physically.)

I'm sick and tired of what the pervasively pernicious "jock culture" in this country has done to nonathletic boys for generations, and for no good reason at all. By coincidence, I have an online friend who is an Englishman about 30 years younger than I. He attended public schools in London, where he was subjected to vicious physical bullying by jocks simply because he was slightly built. For example, on one school day in mandatory P.E., his class was divided into two teams for a game of cricket. (Never mind that my friend could not play this game well. He wasn't even interested in it. But, of course, he had no choice. That's the "logic" of an "educational" establishment that claims to promote physical fitness. What hypocrisy!) The team he was on happened to lose; so, one of his teammates (who was an athlete and may have gone on to be a professional rugby player, if I've got my facts straight) walked over to him and deliberately smashed his face with a cricket bat, breaking his nose. The punk who did this was merely suspended from school for a few days. Probably was like a holiday to him. When he returned to school, he showed how remorseful he was by shoving my friend into a locker. They say sports build character. Yeah, sure! If someone walked up to you and smashed your face with a baseball bat and broke your nose, he would end up being prosecuted in court. But because the victim of this unprovoked physical assault was a nonathletic boy, it was no big deal!

Sorry about that (but not too sorry). Getting back to Wallenberg, he truly was a man of extraordinary courage. He risked his life repeatedly to save others, surviving several assassination attempts. I wouldn't admire him any less if he had been one of the greatest athletes of all time. That's beside the point. What I thought was neat was that here was a man who, in the words of his half-sister, "detested competitive team sports" -- a man who had more courage than most of us. Nonathletic boys continually receive messages from the popular culture that they're wimps, they're unmanly, they're effeminate, no girl would ever want them, blah blah blah. They have to grow up with this garbage. So, it helps to realize they can look to Raoul Wallenberg as a hero in his own right -- a role model, to be sure.

Wallenberg's evil fate is about the worst sort of injustice I've ever seen to be suffered by an individual man, and to think this happened to such a great hero! This fact would be enough to cause me to hate the former Soviet Union -- aside from the tens of millions whose lives were taken by the totalitarian Communist dictatorship.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
8. i grew up left-handed in a right hand world. we were too poor to buy a baseball glove...
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 11:27 AM
Sep 2013

and though as a kid i wanted to play the drive wasn't enough to make me save up for one. my interests always tended to sway toward music, anyways. in the early '70's the "jocks" and the "freaks" were divided into separate camps and i sided with the latter group. we had the music, drugs and sex without all the effort of having to "prove your manhood". fuck the jocks. always felt that and i will carry that feeling to my grave. besides- if any jock tried to kick my ass i could always fuck him up with my saxophone, and it looked cool, and it attracted the girls that were way more intelligent than the cheerleaders or candidates for homecoming queen.

Anyone that "questions another's masculinity" usually has doubts about their own, right?

here's some picks of my band Earwacks from 1972...



radicalliberal

(907 posts)
9. Hey, that's neat (being a part of a rock band, that is)!
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 09:45 AM
Sep 2013

Your two pictures bring back a lot of memories of the time when we were young.

Unfortunately, I can't say that I participated in a rock band when I was that age. All I did was play in my high school's marching band. I hated marching in halftime shows; but the alternative was boys' P.E., which was nothing less than institutionalized bullying. I heard dark rumors about what was going on. (Today I pump iron at a local health club. Completely different social dynamics. I continue to be amazed.)

I'm right-handed, but my older daughter is left-handed. When she was in junior high, she made a poster listing famous left-handed people. It's quite impressive.

Anyone that "questions another's masculinity" usually has doubts about their own, right?


You're absolutely right. Those who go around tearing others down are often insecure; otherwise, they wouldn't do it. As I previously alluded, for about the last five years, I've been on a bodybuilding program. The reasons why are because I must exercise (I have late onset type II diabetes) and so I'll feel better about myself. I'm in competition with no one, and I certainly don't go around judging guys on the basis of their physiques. That would be stupid.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
4. He's gay, so he doesn't like sports?
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 07:43 AM
Sep 2013

Two words: Greg Louganis. Two other words: Martina Navratilova. And many more.

radicalliberal

(907 posts)
5. Look at these guys.
Tue Sep 3, 2013, 05:55 PM
Sep 2013

Last edited Tue Sep 3, 2013, 08:05 PM - Edit history (2)

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They're both gay. surprise, surprise





He's gay, so he doesn't like sports?


You could also say, "He doesn't like sports, so he's gay?" Thanks to the culture of school sports, boys who have no interest in sports are marginalized and sometimes even bullied. By the way, I'm not denigrating anyone for being a sports fan. Even though I've never had an interest in sports, I've never denigrated anyone simply for being a sports fan. I've always respected what athletes do as athletes, but I refuse to put them on pedestals. I respect people's preferences, but draw the line when they insist upon imposing their preferences upon others (for example, forcing nonathletic boys to participate in team sports in traditional mandatory P.E., which offers no exercise programs for nonathletes). I believe in respecting others, but respect is a two-way street.


Back to the original thread: Dishonoring a hero simply because he's gay is shameful and despicable.
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