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(8,159 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Sienna86
(2,148 posts)Hope some brilliant minds can help ease this crisis.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)Please post a summary of their thesis and evidence. Could easily be done in less than 100 words.
Sell your video and convince me it is worth watching and then I will watch it. Otherwise I will spend the 14 minutes gaining knowledge by reading an article.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)some people are just lazy, do it my way people. I learned to ignore and not concern myself with lazy, not wanting to be informed people. Don't even waste your time responding.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)You might have at least skimmed the video.
Spending a minute skimming a video is like spending a minute skimming an article that is comparable to a 'read' of 14 minutes.
You are correct in 'demanding' a summary, however, your tone is disrespectful to the OP.
I hope you have a better day.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)As soon as I saw it was 14 minutes I backed out while the title was playing. I was not being disrespectful. Not writing a summary is being disrespectful.
One person, the OP, speaking generally, can take the time to write a summary of the video's thesis and points. That might take five minutes. That's five minutes on one side of the ledger.
On the other side of the ledger, hundreds and thousands of people are expected to invest "a minute" or more deciding whether or not to continue. 300 people x 1 minute = 300 minutes = 5 (five) hours.
That's 5 hours versus 5 minutes. Not a good balance.
I can skim an article in less than ten seconds and get a sense of whether it is well written and whether it references facts or is just a rant. Can't do that with a video. The difference is that video is not self-paced. And more, video takes a long time to make points. If you write out all the words spoken in a 22 minute news cast (half-hour with commercials) it fills less than a page worth of newspaper.
This is a general problem that is not recognized by those who are more used to consuming videos than reading articles.
snot
(10,496 posts)I love a good video, and it can be better for emotional impact; but for conveying factual info, reading is far more efficient.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Here's summary you want: "we're fucking up the oceans with radioactivity." That radioactivity will find its way into our food chain.
Did that help?
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)shebornik
(127 posts)You have spent more than that with your bitching and griping about how long the video is.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)And yes, I have spent time encouraging people to post summaries. It is time well spent since the problem is pandemic and many people are completely oblivious to it.
Pachamama
(16,884 posts)The situation continues to get worse at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant site with the amount of radiation and contaminated water pouring into ocean and sea bed. If another 7.0 earthquake were to compromise the containment storage tanks, it would be catastrophic.
It is clear that the Japanese dont know what to do and are playing a dangerous race against time trying to contain what cannot be contained.
And to think we in the US have 23 identical nuclear power plants with the design of Fukushima and 8 additional based on design.....here and operating in the US.....
matt in france
(62 posts)its a huge source of food!
The Wizard
(12,532 posts)when the wealthy elites feel threatened or are able to reap exorbitant profits.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)Wont the water also evaporate creating radioactive rain that will fall on America?
The world should be working to clean this up.Not TEPCO or even the Japanese govt.
Its like the world is in a state of denial. I watched the Japanese President address a crowd a few days ago assuring them everything is under control. He was lying.
Mr_Jefferson_24
(8,559 posts)I know airborne radioactivity from Fukushima has been detected on the US west coast, but I'm uncertain about the potential for radioactive rain. Here's a video from January of this year showing radioactivity above normal being detected by a citizen in White County, Arkansas:
Video description excerpt:
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)tnlurker
(1,020 posts)drynberg
(1,648 posts)The worst is yet to come, another earthquake in this "Rim of Fire" region will magnify the already horrendous levels of radiation released into the environment, especially the Pacific Ocean with currents taking the danger straight east to the west coast of the USA. This quake could come any time, and the odds increase every day. Holy Fud!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)The one about Wormwood...(in the Ukrainian language is Chernobyl)
Where it says that it will poison a third of the waters?
Well the Pacific is a third of the waters...
Even if you don't believe in the bible it is kind of ironic no?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The pacific contains 170 million cubic miles of water. As bad as Fukushima is, it cannot 'poison' the entire ocean. The particles may have a very long lifespan, but there just aren't enough of them.
Bioaccumulation is the biggest problem, but again, not enough to 'poison' the whole thing.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But this disaster if far from over...they still have not contained the core and there are 4 of them containing much more than has been released so far.
But we can hope can't we?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)But even if the entire complex somehow slid into the sea... It's still not exactly the problem a lot of people assume it to be. Naval reactors are smaller, but there are at least 6 of those sitting on the bottom of various oceans, for instance.
Nobody knows how many hundreds to thousands of tons of barrels of nuclear waste has already been tossed into those oceans over the last 60 years, by more than 10 countries... Humans are, by and large, pretty stupid about these things, anyway.
It's a problem, and they need to put a damn cork in it, but 'getting worse' is mildly incremental, compared to the rates of release in the week after the initial quake.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)breathed or swallowed.. the particles make themselves
at home where they land.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)But these are near-homeopathy levels of dilution, which is to say, approaching or meeting statistical '0' per X.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)The bible is a fairy tale that people cherry-pick matches from and ignore the superstitions and anti-science and things that are flat out obviously wrong.
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zeemike
(18,998 posts)Just point out that this "fairy tail" may actually have something coming true...and there is the irony.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Can you tell me now that if the cores of those reactors got into the Pacific that it would not be enough to destroy it as a source of sea food?...
Can you assure us that there will never be another earthquake that makes it possible?
Can you tell us that there is not enough radioactive material at that site to do the job?
No, you have proven nothing of the sort.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)No more than you would expect to see The Origin of the Species to tell you.
But a nuke scientist might be able too....and there those that think it could well destroy the Pacific...
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Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)The bible (or significant parts) is worth reading for its cultural impact but not for it content per se.
The basic thesis of the bible is that a male god created the heavens and the earth, endowed humankind with free will, cursed women and placed them in a subordinate role, interacted dramatically with the tribes of the region known as Israel, forecast his own appearance as a messiah through prophets, appeared by virgin birth as a messiah, was killed, ascended to heaven, and forecast a return.
You could google it, but I've saved you some trouble by posting a link to the Wikipedia article, which is a good starting point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,938 posts)Mr_Jefferson_24
(8,559 posts)... it does sometimes seem like we humans, in all our narcissistic glory, are determined to make Revelations come true. And yes, there is irony in that.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)and like any book it has the chance of being true or not...whether it is fiction or whether someone did have some kind of insight to the future or not.
1984 was a book of fiction that is coming true...and it could well be because someone read it and made it come true just as easily as not.
Mr_Jefferson_24
(8,559 posts)... to pass very much like Orwell envisioned. Hopefully, this doesn't have to be ours and our children's future. If not, we certainly have a lot of work to do.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Aldous Huxley, Brave New World'.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)An this is just one wrecked powerplant.
After seeing the water tank farms in the video I got the shivers.
What would happen if another earthquake or tsunami hit?
It would be an utter fucking catastrophe.
They have got to get this under control. Why the Japanese government waited 2 years to take over boggles my mind.
And why our shitty excuses for journalists ignore it is infuriating.
02potato
(175 posts)Eljo_Don
(100 posts)this is about a very, very serious question. don't you get it? The redaction quality is a secondary issue. We are not all expert redactors.
dem in texas
(2,673 posts)Obama was right, that we can't allow the wholesale killing of innocent children and the world has stepped in to help him put a stop to the gas killing in Syria. Now the world needs to step in and help Japan deal with this problem or the Northern Pacific fishery will be destroyed.
padruig
(133 posts)Any opinion video that starts out "this is not fear mongering" means its probably fear mongering.
The media rarely gets science right, social media does an even worse job. This video is an example of adding the
two effects together.
Whenever I see statements in support of an opinion without attribution or citation, I get suspicious. Failing to
explain where your facts come from is referred to as "manufacturing consent".
The most egregious part of the video, and there are many, is using the surface debris model from the International
Pacific Research Center (University of Hawaii). In this case the IPRC response is best simply quoted.
http://iprc.soest.hawaii.edu/news/marine_and_tsunami_debris/debris_news.php
Mistake Triggers False Alarm about Ocean Radioactivity
Honolulu, August 30, 2013
Some US news-blog postings have created a false alarm about increasing concentrations of radioactivity in the
ocean from the Fukushima nuclear plant as the plume moves across the North Pacific. These blogs have mistakenly
shown one of the IPRC marine debris models, which do NOT deal with radiation.
The blogs cite a publication that is based on a serious mistake, namely that radionuclides behave like drifting
buoys and other objects floating on the ocean surface. Ocean currents do push debris that does not sink into
places where the debris concentrates, namely, the famous oceanic garbage patches.
Radionuclides, however, dissolve in seawater like a lump of sugar and disperse. Furthermore, radionuclides decay
with time. Therefore, the concentration of radioactivity in the water becomes less and less with time.
An increase in the concentration of the radionuclides away from their source is thus NOT possible. Direct water
samples from the middle of the North Pacific 1½ years after the accident reveal a 0.000005% concentration of the
original discharge. This concentration is far below any danger level.
The IPRC gets more specific about the limits of their model here
http://iprc.soest.hawaii.edu/news/marine_and_tsunami_debris/IPRC_tsunami_debris_models.php
IPRC Debris Models NOT for Radioactivity
Honolulu, August 27, 2013
The models on our webpage cannot be used to simulate evolution of radionuclides or any other dissolved matter. The
principal difference is that debris floats on the sea surface and cannot sink down, while radionuclides move with
water parcels three-dimensionally. As a result,concentration of debris on the ocean surface can increase with time
in areas of convergence. At the same time, there is no hydrodynamical mechanism that could increase concentration
of radionuclides, it can only decay with time. Further information will be forthcoming.
Fukushima is a serious event, based on TEPCO's own assessment they melted three reactor cores and blew up all five
reactor buildings (hydrogen explosions) TEPCO is still trying to contain the damage so proper cleanup can begin.
The revelation that the containment vessels have been breached and ground water is entering them highlights the
severity of this accident.
For comparison I look at the loss of a quarter million gallons of high level radioactive waste into the ground at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation. The waste, a product of decades of nuclear research and bomb building had been stored in underground tanks.
This is waste so radioactive that it boils in its tanks from the decay heat. The leaked waste has found its way to
the aquifer and is now migrating towards the Tri Cities area.
Mr_Jefferson_24
(8,559 posts)... who does PR damage control for the nuclear industry.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)I hope hope hope I'm wrong.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)and not this disaster, which is many more times a direct threat to the US. How insane not to be decommissioning all nuclear plants.