Fukushima The Coming Global Disaster

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

[newfie11]

1. Kick for later

[orpupilofnature57]

2. +1000 !!!!

[Sienna86]

3. Excellent video.

Hope some brilliant minds can help ease this crisis.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Sorry. Need a summary before I invest 14 minutes of my time in a random video.

Please post a summary of their thesis and evidence. Could easily be done in less than 100 words.

Sell your video and convince me it is worth watching and then I will watch it. Otherwise I will spend the 14 minutes gaining knowledge by reading an article.

[PADemD]

7. Your loss, great video.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Please summarize it.

[heaven05]

16. exactly

some people are just lazy, do it my way people. I learned to ignore and not concern myself with lazy, not wanting to be informed people. Don't even waste your time responding.

[greiner3]

13. Me thinks;

You might have at least skimmed the video.

Spending a minute skimming a video is like spending a minute skimming an article that is comparable to a 'read' of 14 minutes.

You are correct in 'demanding' a summary, however, your tone is disrespectful to the OP.

I hope you have a better day.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Simply highlighting a chronic problem.

As soon as I saw it was 14 minutes I backed out while the title was playing. I was not being disrespectful. Not writing a summary is being disrespectful.

One person, the OP, speaking generally, can take the time to write a summary of the video's thesis and points. That might take five minutes. That's five minutes on one side of the ledger.

On the other side of the ledger, hundreds and thousands of people are expected to invest "a minute" or more deciding whether or not to continue. 300 people x 1 minute = 300 minutes = 5 (five) hours.

That's 5 hours versus 5 minutes. Not a good balance.

I can skim an article in less than ten seconds and get a sense of whether it is well written and whether it references facts or is just a rant. Can't do that with a video. The difference is that video is not self-paced. And more, video takes a long time to make points. If you write out all the words spoken in a 22 minute news cast (half-hour with commercials) it fills less than a page worth of newspaper.

This is a general problem that is not recognized by those who are more used to consuming videos than reading articles.

[snot]

19. Seconded.

I love a good video, and it can be better for emotional impact; but for conveying factual info, reading is far more efficient.

[dballance]

30. Wow. It's too bad you don't have around 15 minutes to devote to this.

Here's summary you want: "we're fucking up the oceans with radioactivity." That radioactivity will find its way into our food chain.

Did that help?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. I heard that pitch before. I don't have 15 min each for dozens of videos making your pitch. nt

[shebornik]

37. 15 minutes?

You have spent more than that with your bitching and griping about how long the video is.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. Ok, 14 minutes.

And yes, I have spent time encouraging people to post summaries. It is time well spent since the problem is pandemic and many people are completely oblivious to it.

[Pachamama]

5. Shaking head and just feeling sick to my stomach

The situation continues to get worse at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant site with the amount of radiation and contaminated water pouring into ocean and sea bed. If another 7.0 earthquake were to compromise the containment storage tanks, it would be catastrophic.

It is clear that the Japanese dont know what to do and are playing a dangerous race against time trying to contain what cannot be contained.

And to think we in the US have 23 identical nuclear power plants with the design of Fukushima and 8 additional based on design.....here and operating in the US.....

[matt in france]

6. contamination of the pacific is horrible

its a huge source of food!

[The Wizard]

8. The remedy will be employed

when the wealthy elites feel threatened or are able to reap exorbitant profits.

[maindawg]

9. what about evaporation?

Wont the water also evaporate creating radioactive rain that will fall on America?
The world should be working to clean this up.Not TEPCO or even the Japanese govt.
Its like the world is in a state of denial. I watched the Japanese President address a crowd a few days ago assuring them everything is under control. He was lying.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

25. That's a good question.

I know airborne radioactivity from Fukushima has been detected on the US west coast, but I'm uncertain about the potential for radioactive rain. Here's a video from January of this year showing radioactivity above normal being detected by a citizen in White County, Arkansas:

Video description excerpt:

The sleet and snow that fell on January 15 2013 in White County Arkansas was not normal. Background levels in this area are 35cpm. The sleet and snow was showing an alert level above 100cpm. The high levels only lasted about 24 hours indicating a short half life of the hot particles. This kind of exposure can reduce the immune system and may be the cause for recent spikes in flu and illness in this area and others. We can only assume because the event was short lived is why they are not warning parents to keep there children out of this unsafe wintry mix. Not creating panic or concern seems to be more important than public safety.

[Mnemosyne]

10. K&R nt

[tnlurker]

11. I'll watch this later

[drynberg]

14. WELL DONE, BUT SCARY AS ALL HELL

The worst is yet to come, another earthquake in this "Rim of Fire" region will magnify the already horrendous levels of radiation released into the environment, especially the Pacific Ocean with currents taking the danger straight east to the west coast of the USA. This quake could come any time, and the odds increase every day. Holy Fud!

[zeemike]

17. Could the prophesies of Revelations be coming true?

The one about Wormwood...(in the Ukrainian language is Chernobyl)
Where it says that it will poison a third of the waters?
Well the Pacific is a third of the waters...

Even if you don't believe in the bible it is kind of ironic no?

[AtheistCrusader]

21. No.

The pacific contains 170 million cubic miles of water. As bad as Fukushima is, it cannot 'poison' the entire ocean. The particles may have a very long lifespan, but there just aren't enough of them.

Bioaccumulation is the biggest problem, but again, not enough to 'poison' the whole thing.

[zeemike]

22. Well thanks for that reassurance.

But this disaster if far from over...they still have not contained the core and there are 4 of them containing much more than has been released so far.
But we can hope can't we?

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Most of that material can't physically get there, fortunately.

But even if the entire complex somehow slid into the sea... It's still not exactly the problem a lot of people assume it to be. Naval reactors are smaller, but there are at least 6 of those sitting on the bottom of various oceans, for instance.

Nobody knows how many hundreds to thousands of tons of barrels of nuclear waste has already been tossed into those oceans over the last 60 years, by more than 10 countries... Humans are, by and large, pretty stupid about these things, anyway.


It's a problem, and they need to put a damn cork in it, but 'getting worse' is mildly incremental, compared to the rates of release in the week after the initial quake.

[Voice for Peace]

40. according to Helen Caldicott, it doesn't take much,

breathed or swallowed.. the particles make themselves
at home where they land.

[AtheistCrusader]

44. Right, that's bioaccumulation, and how it moves up the food chain.

But these are near-homeopathy levels of dilution, which is to say, approaching or meeting statistical '0' per X.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. No. Not even "ironic".

The bible is a fairy tale that people cherry-pick matches from and ignore the superstitions and anti-science and things that are flat out obviously wrong.

Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance),[1] in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event characterized by an incongruity, or contrast, between what the expectations of a situation are and what is really the case, with a third element, that defines that what is really the case is ironic because of the situation that led to it. The term may be further defined into several categories, among which are: verbal, dramatic, and situational.

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[zeemike]

26. I do not wish to argue with you on this.

Just point out that this "fairy tail" may actually have something coming true...and there is the irony.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. No, not actually having something coming true. Not even close to true, see post #21. nt

[zeemike]

28. I read it the first time.

Can you tell me now that if the cores of those reactors got into the Pacific that it would not be enough to destroy it as a source of sea food?...
Can you assure us that there will never be another earthquake that makes it possible?
Can you tell us that there is not enough radioactive material at that site to do the job?
No, you have proven nothing of the sort.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. The bible will NOT tell you the answers to those questions or what you want to know. nt.

[zeemike]

32. Well I would not expect it to.

No more than you would expect to see The Origin of the Species to tell you.
But a nuke scientist might be able too....and there those that think it could well destroy the Pacific...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. Here

The bible (or significant parts) is worth reading for its cultural impact but not for it content per se.

The basic thesis of the bible is that a male god created the heavens and the earth, endowed humankind with free will, cursed women and placed them in a subordinate role, interacted dramatically with the tribes of the region known as Israel, forecast his own appearance as a messiah through prophets, appeared by virgin birth as a messiah, was killed, ascended to heaven, and forecast a return.

You could google it, but I've saved you some trouble by posting a link to the Wikipedia article, which is a good starting point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

The Bible (from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία, tà biblía, "the books&quot is a canonical collection of texts considered sacred in Judaism as well as in Christianity. The term Bible is shared between the two religions, although the contents of each of their collections of canonical texts is not the same. Different religious groups include different books within their canons, in different orders, and sometimes divide or combine books, or incorporate additional material into canonical books.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

49. As requested by Cronus, here is another summary of the bible, this time by a third party.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

33. While I don't believe in bible prophesy...

... it does sometimes seem like we humans, in all our narcissistic glory, are determined to make Revelations come true. And yes, there is irony in that.

[zeemike]

36. Well I believe the bible is a book

and like any book it has the chance of being true or not...whether it is fiction or whether someone did have some kind of insight to the future or not.
1984 was a book of fiction that is coming true...and it could well be because someone read it and made it come true just as easily as not.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

38. Yes, 1984 is coming...

... to pass very much like Orwell envisioned. Hopefully, this doesn't have to be ours and our children's future. If not, we certainly have a lot of work to do.

[heaven05]

41. Don't forget 'soma'

Aldous Huxley, Brave New World'.

[blackspade]

18. Horrifying.

An this is just one wrecked powerplant.
After seeing the water tank farms in the video I got the shivers.
What would happen if another earthquake or tsunami hit?
It would be an utter fucking catastrophe.

They have got to get this under control. Why the Japanese government waited 2 years to take over boggles my mind.
And why our shitty excuses for journalists ignore it is infuriating.

[02potato]

20. Again,what a stoooooooopid way to boil water....

[Eljo_Don]

23. Jentlemen, please,

this is about a very, very serious question. don't you get it? The redaction quality is a secondary issue. We are not all expert redactors.

[dem in texas]

31. For the good of Mankind

Obama was right, that we can't allow the wholesale killing of innocent children and the world has stepped in to help him put a stop to the gas killing in Syria. Now the world needs to step in and help Japan deal with this problem or the Northern Pacific fishery will be destroyed.

[padruig]

39. Fukushima, Concentration, Dilution, Becquerels and Sieverts

Any opinion video that starts out "this is not fear mongering" means its probably fear mongering.
The media rarely gets science right, social media does an even worse job. This video is an example of adding the
two effects together.

Whenever I see statements in support of an opinion without attribution or citation, I get suspicious. Failing to
explain where your facts come from is referred to as "manufacturing consent".

The most egregious part of the video, and there are many, is using the surface debris model from the International
Pacific Research Center (University of Hawaii). In this case the IPRC response is best simply quoted.

http://iprc.soest.hawaii.edu/news/marine_and_tsunami_debris/debris_news.php

Mistake Triggers False Alarm about Ocean Radioactivity
Honolulu, August 30, 2013

Some US news-blog postings have created a false alarm about increasing concentrations of radioactivity in the
ocean from the Fukushima nuclear plant as the plume moves across the North Pacific. These blogs have mistakenly
shown one of the IPRC marine debris models, which do NOT deal with radiation.

The blogs cite a publication that is based on a serious mistake, namely that radionuclides behave like drifting
buoys and other objects floating on the ocean surface. Ocean currents do push debris that does not sink into
places where the debris concentrates, namely, the famous oceanic garbage patches.

Radionuclides, however, dissolve in seawater like a lump of sugar and disperse. Furthermore, radionuclides decay
with time. Therefore, the concentration of radioactivity in the water becomes less and less with time.

An increase in the concentration of the radionuclides away from their source is thus NOT possible. Direct water
samples from the middle of the North Pacific 1½ years after the accident reveal a 0.000005% concentration of the
original discharge. This concentration is far below any danger level.

The IPRC gets more specific about the limits of their model here

http://iprc.soest.hawaii.edu/news/marine_and_tsunami_debris/IPRC_tsunami_debris_models.php

IPRC Debris Models NOT for Radioactivity

Honolulu, August 27, 2013

The models on our webpage cannot be used to simulate evolution of radionuclides or any other dissolved matter. The
principal difference is that debris floats on the sea surface and cannot sink down, while radionuclides move with
water parcels three-dimensionally. As a result,concentration of debris on the ocean surface can increase with time
in areas of convergence. At the same time, there is no hydrodynamical mechanism that could increase concentration
of radionuclides, it can only decay with time. Further information will be forthcoming.


Fukushima is a serious event, based on TEPCO's own assessment they melted three reactor cores and blew up all five
reactor buildings (hydrogen explosions) TEPCO is still trying to contain the damage so proper cleanup can begin.
The revelation that the containment vessels have been breached and ground water is entering them highlights the
severity of this accident.

For comparison I look at the loss of a quarter million gallons of high level radioactive waste into the ground at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation. The waste, a product of decades of nuclear research and bomb building had been stored in underground tanks.

This is waste so radioactive that it boils in its tanks from the decay heat. The leaked waste has found its way to
the aquifer and is now migrating towards the Tri Cities area.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

43. You sound like someone...

... who does PR damage control for the nuclear industry.

[wildbilln864]

45. our grandchildren are so screwed!

I hope hope hope I'm wrong.

[felix_numinous]

47. It's so crazy to be focused on Middle East

and not this disaster, which is many more times a direct threat to the US. How insane not to be decommissioning all nuclear plants.