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tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:31 AM Sep 2013

Striking Visual: How FoxNews Creates Group Think




An experiment* is recorded where an array of metronomes are all set off at different times, while sitting on a common hanging surface. In a matter of minutes, they all end up syncing together without any special means other than their mutual influence.

Watch as a continuous march of beats begins to create a shared consensus and then influences all of the metronomes to work in lock-step - down to the very last one. (Even the hold-out on the right eventually succumbs to the group influences.)

Have you ever wondered why FoxNews continues to pound out drum beats of misinformation over and over to the masses? Here you have a visual demonstration of why they do and how it can work. You can see just how the constant, steady pulse of repeated influences slowly reinforce itself, and spread over time. Quite scary when you think about it.

It is no small irony that by the end of the video, the metronomes end up looking like soldiers walking in lock-step with their rifles swinging back and forth.

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* this was an experiment done in Japan and the FoxNews parallels are my own




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Striking Visual: How FoxNews Creates Group Think (Original Post) tomm2thumbs Sep 2013 OP
Well, Tomm Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #1
(you are getting verrrrry sleepy... tick tock tick tock) hahahah tomm2thumbs Sep 2013 #6
Peer pressure. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2
very good point - devils advocates are always good for discussions of all kinds tomm2thumbs Sep 2013 #7
KNR alfredo Sep 2013 #3
Anyone want to explain the physics of this to me? leveymg Sep 2013 #4
not sure entirely but tomm2thumbs Sep 2013 #5
Thnx for the post and explanation. leveymg Sep 2013 #8
Put another way... NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #9
i LOVE that! tomm2thumbs Sep 2013 #13
Wow, they should make you the Secretary of Explaining Things (like what Obama called Bill Clinton progree Sep 2013 #28
Quite true, it is Newton at work, but put them on a rigid platform little would change in RKP5637 Sep 2013 #15
if the metronomes were on "solid footing" they would not conform. stlsaxman Sep 2013 #14
LOL! ... no "sympathetic vibrations" on DU in GD! RKP5637 Sep 2013 #16
Exactly. But, to refer to the OP Link Speed Sep 2013 #26
yup- like Beatlemania... stlsaxman Sep 2013 #29
That's a laboratory example here is a clinical grantcart Sep 2013 #10
A friend made a similar video. Believes all things are expressions of frequency or vibrations. freshwest Sep 2013 #11
I am Not A metronome! BillyRibs Sep 2013 #12
Hammers Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #17
OHNOES pam4water Sep 2013 #25
And in as much time again they will be ticking the beat of different drummers. marble falls Sep 2013 #18
It's not just FauxNews, it's all corporate news Corruption Inc Sep 2013 #19
knowing the physics of it ellennelle Sep 2013 #20
People who talk politics love analogies. Quantess Sep 2013 #21
I look at it Locrian Sep 2013 #23
that one little guy on the right side held out for a long time Voice for Peace Sep 2013 #22
"that one little guy on the right side held out for a long time ... " progree Sep 2013 #27
I thought they all might yell pam4water Sep 2013 #24

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
1. Well, Tomm
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:43 AM
Sep 2013

Almost hypnotized myself. Your comparison to Fixed News is apropos - remember Bush saying, "We gotta keep repeating ourselves over and over...."

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
6. (you are getting verrrrry sleepy... tick tock tick tock) hahahah
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:03 AM
Sep 2013

I think the repetition angle is true. Standing on the same talking points. And doing it en masse across the network.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Peer pressure.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:55 AM
Sep 2013

Whichever set of like-timed metronomes had the largest number had the greatest influence over the hanging surface, and thus the entire group.

The Fox news comparison is apropos, but I also had a vision of what goes on at DU.

On a few matters, there is a majority that would like to banish those with whom they disagree. Given their numbers and enough time, they might get their way, much like the soldiers in that video.

That would be the day DU dies.

And of course it can be applied to any group.

Viva la difference!

K/R

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
7. very good point - devils advocates are always good for discussions of all kinds
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:06 AM
Sep 2013

keeping an open mind is the one thing that is free that Democrats have instinctively in their nature over Republicans... sometimes we forget how important it is to have differing ideas and make valuable use of it to compare & hone ideas, build on strengths and examine flaws of arguments.

Something worth exercising regularly for sure.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. Anyone want to explain the physics of this to me?
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:51 AM
Sep 2013

The psychological basis is a bit more intuitively obvious. But, this is weird ...

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
5. not sure entirely but
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:01 AM
Sep 2013

I think that every swing of each metronome moves the tabletop slightly or has influence over it, which in turn affects the motion of each metronome in their next swing ever so slightly, until the feedback of all the metronomes eventually harmonizes all 32 into synchronicity.

I'm guessing when they started all of them at random, they accidentally created a majority similar moving swings in a pattern that slowly built on itself and affected others in the minority.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. Put another way...
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:17 AM
Sep 2013

Picture a bunch of people standing on a suspended deck that can swing.

If everyone sways together, they'll rock the swing.

These metronomes are all set to the same frequency but were started at different moments.

Once in motion, some number of them were more in sync than the rest, so they imparted the greatest influence over the swing of the deck.

Over time, this influence transfers to the out-of-sync metronomes until they all cooperate.

LOL at the one on the far right that was toward the end completely out of sync with the rest!

Also at the end, you can see that the platform swing is most pronounced.

Very cool!

Reminded me of this:



progree

(10,901 posts)
28. Wow, they should make you the Secretary of Explaining Things (like what Obama called Bill Clinton
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:30 AM
Sep 2013

after Clinton's 2012 convention nominating speech)

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
15. Quite true, it is Newton at work, but put them on a rigid platform little would change in
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:34 AM
Sep 2013

a macro sense. Very interesting video, thanks for posting!!!

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
14. if the metronomes were on "solid footing" they would not conform.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:26 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:47 AM - Edit history (1)

that should tie the "psychological" to the "physics".

Yes- if they were on a solid plank that wouldn't share the sympathetic vibrations they'd maintain their individuality.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
26. Exactly. But, to refer to the OP
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:16 PM
Sep 2013

there is no 'solid footing'.

Fox knows this, and adjusts the message to the shift.

This technique is as old as any religion. Take a disparate group with somewhat common footing, float a rhythm and wait for the group to gel.

That is how fanaticism works.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
29. yup- like Beatlemania...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:26 AM
Sep 2013
" Take a disparate group (America after JFK assasination) with somewhat common footing, float a rhythm and wait for the group to gel."


freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. A friend made a similar video. Believes all things are expressions of frequency or vibrations.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:03 AM
Sep 2013

Got to get to sleep. Ugh...

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
19. It's not just FauxNews, it's all corporate news
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:01 PM
Sep 2013

It's pure propaganda aimed at the left or the right; no rational thinking allowed. Also, commercial TV is now 37% commercials so if a person watches TV for 2 hours that's 45 minutes of commercials.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
20. knowing the physics of it
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:20 PM
Sep 2013

then the analogy to fox is not really so a propos, is it?

unless we want to say they're responding to some "force of nature," some "law of physics."

the analogy to fox breaks down because what directs this experiment is a law of physics, a force of nature.

with fox, it's an entirely UNnatural mind set - and a mighty rigid and inflexible one, at that - that intentionally feeds the minds that would consume its awful offal. from the bottom up, as it were.

the more a propos analogy to fox would be instead those waves that comedians sometimes create by directing the volume of applause. again, bottom up, because the directing force is no different than the elements that respond, yet that force takes it upon itself to direct to its own ends, manipulating the other elements to go along.

i'd actually like to think that it's the more progressive mind that the depicted experiment corresponds to, reflecting instead the natural phases and flows of evolving nature instead of trying to insist that one's rhythm can remain against the grain, no matter what happens, or who suffers.

i mean, in the midst of crisis or disaster, for example, the larger force of humanity (i.e., the phase propagated through the flexible field) is what directs action, not any individual or individual group's agenda.

fwiw.

neat video, tho; thx.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
23. I look at it
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:59 PM
Sep 2013

As being influenced by your surroundings an of course the system you're in.

Most people believe they alone determine their behavior - this is a good example of the influences of others and the systems etc.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
22. that one little guy on the right side held out for a long time
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:12 PM
Sep 2013

you can see him getting tired and finally going with the crowd.

and the change in the ones in front.. they look like little
bobble talking heads, getting confused about what they
are supposed to be doing.

amazing!

progree

(10,901 posts)
27. "that one little guy on the right side held out for a long time ... "
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:21 AM
Sep 2013

Yup, 2nd from the front on the far right. I noticed he was 180 degrees out of sync for a long while, while everyone else was in sync. I thought he was going to stay that way. Then he "got with the program".

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