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Chicago's Disastrous CTA Ventra Cards & The Dangers Of Privatizing Public Services (Original Post) matthewf Nov 2013 OP
The Ultimate Argument against Privatization of Public Services HoosierCowboy Nov 2013 #1
It has been disastrous (but) frazzled Nov 2013 #2
I've never had that happen using my SmartLink card (PATH system)... JHB Nov 2013 #3
Yeah, they clearly screwed up frazzled Nov 2013 #4

HoosierCowboy

(561 posts)
1. The Ultimate Argument against Privatization of Public Services
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:46 AM
Nov 2013

Is the ultimate accountability of the executive responsible for the performance of the service. Politicians can be voted out of office but a CEO is forever.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. It has been disastrous (but)
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 11:56 AM
Nov 2013

I have to preface this by saying that since Forest Claypool was installed as the head of CTA by Emanuel, many very positive improvements have been made to the system (and more still are in the works). The Daley administration had let the CTA, especially the El trains and tracks, go totally to seed. They were becoming unfriendly, ugly, and dangerous. In just two years the new administration has put a lot of money and effort into upgrading the system:

• Remodeling of crumbling, horrible old stations
• Purchasing of new train cars that are more spacious, cleaner, and much much quieter
• Repair to tracks that was way overdue: mainly the Red Line to the South Side, which underwent a 5-month total overhaul, and has made service to this most underserved of communities much better.

That said, Ventra has been a disaster. We had a very good system with the old magnetic-stripe Chicago Cards. Supposedly, the impetus for the change was to integrate the RTA and PACE systems into one, with one card. Meh.

Part of the culprit is the company. But the other culprit is technology. Sorry, but new technology is not necessarily better. This RFID stuff is causing mayhem--when you swipe your Ventra card, if you have any RFID credit cards near by it's been taking fares off those, too.

I live near the Ventra "Customer Service" center. I walked over a few weeks ago to see if the two cards they sent me could be combined into one. I didn't want to lose the $25 that was on one of my old cards and I now need only one. I should have lost the $25. It was instructive to stand in line--for an hour and a half (and this the line that exists is all day, every day)--and listen to everyone's stories. People are pissed, and having to take hours of time off work to go fix things is unconscionable.

That said, and even though they couldn't combine my two cards into one, they did activate them for me, and so far it has worked in the machines. Like the Obamacare federal website, things seem to be getting slowly better.

The only saving grace is that the city has refused to pay the vendor until the system is fixed. BTW, this is the same company that runs the Washington D.C., London, and Sydney, Australia fare systems. It's the first time they've tackled a "contactless" system however.

Which brings me back to the beginning: the technology is the biggest culprit here, not only privatization itself.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
3. I've never had that happen using my SmartLink card (PATH system)...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:07 PM
Nov 2013

...run by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, definitely not Ventra. The part about other RFID cards getting charged, that is.

Without knowing the specifics I'm obviously guessing, but it might not be the technology as a whole so much as the specific version of it they're trying to use. (I mean seriously, they don't employ anything that limits the transaction to only their valid Ventra cards?)

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
4. Yeah, they clearly screwed up
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:23 PM
Nov 2013

with whatever limits the reading to only their cards. Just yesterday there was a big story in the Tribune about how some federal workers here discovered their government ID cards got them free rides on the system, and the government had to issue a memo telling federal workers not to use their IDs in this way.

When I was standing in line waiting for the customer service, a young black student was telling me how his card is issued through his university, where he's already paid for a monthly transit pass through his tuition. Yet the Ventra readers keep taking money off his personal credit card as he goes through!!

A month or so ago, Ventra's answer to all this was: don't keep your Ventra card in your wallet (!). You can imagine why people are furious. And that's when the city announced they weren't going to pay the company a dime until the system was fixed. I'm not sure were that is now.

PS: My credit cards are not RFID enabled.

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