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McCain, Graham blame Obama for fall of Fallujah
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Stuart G
(38,416 posts)It won't work. Most of us are glad to be out of Iraq. enough...
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Agreement. It's a concerted, carefully-timed effort by the usual suspects (Charles Krauthammer, McLame, Kristol, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal) to tell Obama: Don't you DARE consider leaving Afghanistan too, or we'll blame it all on you like we're doing with Iraq now.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)SSDD
think
(11,641 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)SENILE ,that is what is the matter with McGrumps.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)to gain a foothold in the country, kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people, spends hundreds of billions, now he says we shoulda STAYED THERE?? At war forever?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The 'Obama is all-powerful' image is theirs alone.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)gay marriage messed up Fallujah
chknltl
(10,558 posts)Do I need to find a reference before adding the word "duh" and a sarcasm thingy?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)as dangerous as the Clenis
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)If he was POTUS (takes a second to laugh) we would still be in Iraq and God knows where else.
mitty14u2
(1,015 posts)2011
BAGHDAD Iraq's prime minister said Saturday that U.S. troops are leaving Iraq after nearly nine years of war because Baghdad rejected American demands that any U.S. military forces to stay would have to be shielded from prosecution or lawsuits.
The comments by Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, made clear that it was Iraq who refused to let the U.S. military remain under the Americans' terms.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/44998833/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/iraq-pm-immunity-issue-scuttled-us-troop-deal/
Western oil firms remain as US exits Iraq
The end of the US military occupation does not mean Iraqis have full control of their oil.
On November 27, 38 months after Royal Dutch Shell announced its pursuit of a massive gas deal in southern Iraq, the oil giant had its contract signed for a $17bn flared gas deal. Three days later, the US-based energy firm Emerson submitted a bid for a contract to operate at Iraq's giant Zubair oil field, which reportedly holds some eight million barrels of oil.
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"Prior to the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq, US and other western oil companies were all but completely shut out of Iraq's oil market," oil industry analyst Antonia Juhasz told Al Jazeera. "But thanks to the invasion and occupation, the companies are now back inside Iraq and producing oil there for the first time since being forced out of the country in 1973."
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/12/2011122813134071641.html
The political propaganda says we didnt go to war for oil, but the facts differ, no matter now if US citizens end up getting the gas or not its on the market, Big Oil Profits from Iraqs oil, Libya oil just went back on line dropping global oil prices.
McCain and Graham should both put out to pasture, in the next 10-20 years guys them and the Koch Bros to Karl Rove will be dead or retired then maybe we can get back on track being the United States of America, keeping this guys in check will help to quell the Neocons war mongering.
young_at_heart
(3,767 posts)Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld caused this catastrophe but it's never mentioned. Someday people will curse those three for the tremendous damage they have done to the world!
DhhD
(4,695 posts)a hundred years for Middle Easterners to reestablish that balance. Bush set the date for withdrawal from Iraq. Republicans like McCain, continue to lie to the American people about Iraq and Spring events in the Middle East. Obama won the elections on just the opposite. Repub Recon is getting to be old sh*t.
AAO
(3,300 posts)I didn't hear gramps jabberin' when Bush announced this. All these republicans are insane. If Roosevelt were alive today, He would say "all we have to fear, is, the GOP!" Actually he was right the first time. What we have to fear is the fear that's gripped the far-right-wingbats, fear of the unknown, fear of gays ( what if they make a pass at me - and I like it! ), blacks ( they'll kill me, just like on TV! And I'm afraid of their huge penises! ), women ( small penis syndrome again ), and especially that A-rab, muslin looking guy with the beard....terror...
That is the fear that we need to somehow combat. Unfortunately, the right wing media keeps them ever fearful.
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)he'd tell them to kiss his ass while he's busy fixing their screw-ups!
Loge23
(3,922 posts)The pukes started this mess and they own it.
What the fuck were we supposed to do? Stay there for two freakin decades??
I rarely bother anymore since this country has been long lost , but when will this country wake the fuck up to the incredibly destructive, anti-democracy, racist, elitist, homophobic, war-mongering shit-for-brain republicans??
Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)Oh wait.....
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)At one time Republicans considered Iraq to be a goldmine in ways to attack Democrats for being weak on National Security.
tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)They refused to permit a slowly downsizing, transition force with SOFA protections, so we--quite wisely--accelerated our withdrawal plans and got the hell out of there. We don't do peacekeeping without SOFA, and too bad if people don't like it.
Our departure left great gaps in policing and many took advantage.
Now al-Maliki is regretting his intemperate "Get outta here, we don't need you, ya bassstids" comments, and wants us back in that shithole (which we didn't need to be IN, in the first place, but that's a tale for another day).
I say stay out of it. They can ask the frigging UN for help at this stage of the game. We don't need to play that nonsense.
doc03
(35,325 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Why did we invade Iraq in the first place?
Any answer besides "we had no valid reason to invade" is a lie!
Second question: What is a war for?
Answer: To achieve an objective by using overwhelming force in the shortest time possible. See WWI & WWII.
It's time to take care of Americans at home now!
Third question: Why aren't we doing that?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)What don't these Repukes not understand about this?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Money we have already spent and the money needed to put our troops back in Iraq. They will need to hit the pockets of their 1% buddies and a lot more taxes on the same 1%.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I mean it. This man gets waaaay too much air time.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Nitram
(22,791 posts)He shouldn't have stuck his dick in there in the first place.
Mustellus
(328 posts)General Petraeus, through The Surge (TM) brought an end to sectarian violence in Iraq, and ensured eternal peace and amity between Suni and Shia.
I cannot believe McCain would diss the Greatest Military Leader Of The Last Century (SM).
DhhD
(4,695 posts)waisted in Iraq.