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Related: About this forumGlenn Beck Says Obama Or Christie Would Bomb America If It Served Their Purposes
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From Right Wing Watch:
During yesterday's morning meeting, Glenn Beck told his staff that he wasn't sure that President Obama or perhaps a future President Chris Christie would oppose government-orchestrated false flag attacks on the United States if such attacks served their political purposes.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/beck-obama-or-christie-would-totally-bomb-america-if-it-served-their-purposes
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Glenn Beck Says Obama Or Christie Would Bomb America If It Served Their Purposes (Original Post)
WhoIsNumberNone
Jan 2014
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Jerry442
(1,265 posts)1. Even a stopped clock... nt
VWolf
(3,944 posts)2. Well, he's half right n/t
Beck is not even half correct:
I. Beck repeatedly labels the operation as "Operation Northwood(sic)" - it is actually called Operation Northwoods.
The document that describes Operation Northwoods states the following:
MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
Subject: Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)
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(page 9 of the document)
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6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.
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(page 10 of the document)
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8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute (sic) from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela.
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(page 11 of the document)
9. It is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.
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http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
Subject: Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)
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(page 9 of the document)
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6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.
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(page 10 of the document)
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8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute (sic) from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela.
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(page 11 of the document)
9. It is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.
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http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
II. Those are the suggestions that involve "Cuban MIG's". So, at no time were US pilots going to conduct a false flag operation over the USA itself.
Subsequently, Beck contends that President Kennedy gave a direct response concerning Operation Northwoods.
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
By: Brig. Gen. Lansdale
Subject: Meeting with the President, 16 March 1962
(page 2 of the document)
(page 3 of the document)
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=236&relPageId=21
By: Brig. Gen. Lansdale
Subject: Meeting with the President, 16 March 1962
(page 2 of the document)
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The President asked if U.S. military intervention was an issue which the Special Group was posing to him now. Taylor and the Special Group promptly said, "no."
General Lemnitzer commented that the military had contingency plans for U.S. intervention. Also, it had plans for creating plausible pretexts to use force, with the pretexts either attacks on U.S. aircraft or a Cuban action in Latin America for which we would retaliate.
(page 3 of the document)
The President said bluntly that we were not discussing the use of U.S. military force, that General Lemnitzer might find the U.S. so engaged in Berlin or elsewhere that he couldn't use the contemplated 4 divisions in Cuba. So, we cannot say that we are able now to make a decision on the use of U.S. military force.
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http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=236&relPageId=21
III. The President's direct response concerned the availability of U.S. military force and, thus, the use of U.S. military force was not being discussed. Apparently, Operation Northwoods was not directly addressed.
Thus, Beck is essentially wrong all the way around - i.e., if Beck were a broken clock, it would not be that his hands were stuck or immobile - instead his hands simply would have fallen off.
Here is some background information on the Mary Ferrell Foundation:
http://www.baylor.edu/lib/poage/jfk/index.php?id=91281
Also, here is a link to The National Security Archive at The George Washington University:
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)4. Send him to Boston, we know how to deal with these nuts:
zebonaut
(3,688 posts)5. he makes a reckless claim, then fails to provide any evidence
This is how he operates
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)6. Who the hell records their crazy-talk meeting in Super HD Panavision?!?!
Geeeee, I wonder how he got the money to film that? *cought* KOCH *cough*