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DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:01 AM Jan 2014

The Danger of Ignoring Eisenhower's Warning about the Military Industrial Complex



breakingtheset·Published on Jan 21, 2014

Abby Martin remarks on the anniversary of President Eisenhower's farewell address, citing his warning to the American people of the danger of the military industrial complex.

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- Those who forget history are condemned, etc......

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The Danger of Ignoring Eisenhower's Warning about the Military Industrial Complex (Original Post) DeSwiss Jan 2014 OP
The Warning by Eisenhower, a Republican and former 5 Star General was unbelievably insightful. democratisphere Jan 2014 #1
Yep. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #4
I believe Eisenhower regretted his involvement with the military industrial complex..... democratisphere Jan 2014 #8
I do too. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #9
We've already missed the boat Plucketeer Jan 2014 #12
I agree. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #15
K&R!!! This is the single biggest reason for the push to cut benefits and Education! Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #2
Unfortunately..... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #5
Why does Eisenhower deserve credit for warning of a monster he helped create? Cassidy Jan 2014 #3
Oh, I don't have so much a problem with him getting..... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #6
We all have made decisions and done things we later regret. democratisphere Jan 2014 #7
So glad to see this getting attention on the anniversary of Eisenhower's Speech FlaGatorJD Jan 2014 #10
If we tried to cut the military's budget by that amount..... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #13
No doubt. n/t Titonwan Jan 2014 #17
Ike was originally gonna Titonwan Jan 2014 #11
The problem with even Ike's finger-pointing..... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #14
Pretty sure yer right. Titonwan Jan 2014 #16

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. The Warning by Eisenhower, a Republican and former 5 Star General was unbelievably insightful.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 08:26 AM
Jan 2014

It's unfortunate he was so right!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
4. Yep.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:25 AM
Jan 2014

Too bad the reason he knew so much about it was because he, more than anone, is responsible for it coming to fruition.

- But then that's after-whist......

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
8. I believe Eisenhower regretted his involvement with the military industrial complex.....
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jan 2014

and warned US to cut it out!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
9. I do too.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jan 2014

It raised his presidency in my own estimation. Considering Little Rock as well. But he had become, by the end of his presidency, an anachronism. He was the last US president born in the 19th century, and lived during a time which had moved so quickly that his ability to understand the ramifications of many of his decisions was well beyond his capacity, I believe.

It's almost beyond ours now.

- But I hope we do better than he did.....

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
12. We've already missed the boat
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jan 2014

for doing better than Ike did. Now that we feel compelled to keep an eye on everyone who knows how to handle a box cutter or knows about the potential of diesel fuel and fertilizer, we're firmly entrenched in a world of surveillance and surgical strikes.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
15. I agree.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jan 2014

Insofar as trying to resurrect or salvage the current paradigm.

- This can't be fixed. Only replaced.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
2. K&R!!! This is the single biggest reason for the push to cut benefits and Education!
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 09:19 AM
Jan 2014

These companies have each hardware program manufactured in as many different states as possible so more politicians will fight to keep them! Crazy huh?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
5. Unfortunately.....
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:40 AM
Jan 2014

...that self-same MIC won't allow it. They need the fodder (not as many as before) and the fodder need the jobs since the private sector's not up to snuff. Nor is it likely to ever be again. And it's a nice way to obscure the true cost of the military by passing-off the costs to the welfare and education departments.

Likewise, the existing system of governance is way-past being too jiggered and corrupted to accomplish anything other than passing facade-legislation so filled with loopholes and exceptions that it'll sing as it passes through the halls of Congress. A couple of years later it'll be so weak, what's left will be eviscerated into nothingness by corporate lawyers just now graduating from college.

- And who, incidentally, will need all the money they can get to help payoff their enormous law school debts along with the money from their part-time jobs at Mickey D's.......

Cassidy

(202 posts)
3. Why does Eisenhower deserve credit for warning of a monster he helped create?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jan 2014

I am really glad that this reporter at least mentions Eisenhower's role in creating this situation. Usually he is just lauded as some kind of heroic visionary. How much courage does it take to say, "You guys need to clean up this mess, because it is going to get even worse," on your way out the door? Are their any records of him actually doing something to inhibit or restrain the military-industrial complex either when he was the President of the United States or after he left office? I have never heard of it. Please inform me if you know better.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
6. Oh, I don't have so much a problem with him getting.....
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jan 2014

...the credit. But as you say: only when he is also given the damning for doing it. I say this because I think that he was probably the only one living at the time who could have stopped it.

And you'll note that no chances were taken after Eisenhower. JFK was the message that no flexibility on the issue would be further tolerated.

- And everyone's heeded that message ever since......

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
7. We all have made decisions and done things we later regret.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jan 2014

I believe Eisenhower regretted his involvement with the military industrial complex and was indirectly apologizing but more importantly warning US to not let it continue. So much for not letting it continue or putting it in check.

FlaGatorJD

(364 posts)
10. So glad to see this getting attention on the anniversary of Eisenhower's Speech
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:14 PM
Jan 2014

If we cut the military budget by 25%, we could provide health care and
cover all of our domestic programs, and we would still be spending more
than the rest of the top spenders put together.

My earlier post on the topic:

Why the hell didn't anyone heed Eisenhower's warning about the Military Industrial Complex?


[link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002577321

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
13. If we tried to cut the military's budget by that amount.....
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jan 2014

...I'm sure they could replace it quite easily. With over 900 military bases all over the planet, I'm sure they could find it in the petty cash accounts alone.

- And don't even get me started on their drug money......

Titonwan

(785 posts)
11. Ike was originally gonna
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jan 2014

call it the 'Military-Industrial-Congressional-Complex' before TPTB told him to cut the Congressional part out.

"War is a Racket" - USMC Major Gen. Smedley D. Butler (two time Medal of Honor recipient)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
14. The problem with even Ike's finger-pointing.....
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jan 2014

...at least at this point, is that it was very likely already a fait accompli.

- And between Tail-gunner Joe, Roy Cohn, J. Edgar and the rest of the commie scare crowd, that pretty much sealed it.

Titonwan

(785 posts)
16. Pretty sure yer right.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jan 2014

That's why I'm grateful for the whistleblowers. Even the 'thieves' who broke into the FBI building in '71. The Church Committee was weak tea, but they've figured out how to tear it to shreds (FOIA, FISA etc.), through the years.
There is no more 'rule of law'.

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