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Richard Dawkins dissects giraffe to prove how mammals evolved from fish and disprove I.D. (Original Post)
ErikJ
Feb 2014
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Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)1. There are no bible quotes, do this has been debunked already by GAWD!
wolfie001
(2,227 posts)2. I have the greatest respect for this genius and.....
....am so glad he's always sticking his finger into the blind eyes of the Christian Taliban. Kudos Dr. Dawkins!
DhhD
(4,695 posts)3. Humans have pharyngeal gill slits that are closed.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)5. Fascinatin'. And one of the gill arches became the voice box and swallowing muscles.
The longest cell in the history of life
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/the-longest-cell-in-the-history-of-life/
One of my favorite proofs of evolution is the recurrent laryngeal nerve (RLN)the nerve that innervates the larynx from the brain, helping us speak and swallow. It takes a very circuitous course, looping from the brainstem down around the aorta and then back up to the larynx. Heres its course in humans:
Its a prime example of bad design, that is, of the ham-handedness of any creator that was responsible for designing organisms. Of course, we arent designed, but evolved from very different ancestors. Thats why our bodies are full of glitches and kludges, and this nerve is one of them. Its much longer than it need be, taking a tortuous route several feet longer than the direct path from brain to neck.
Ive talked about the evolutionary reasons for this many times; you can see the full explanation in WEIT or read about it here. This diagram shows how it worked: the nerve used to line up with a blood vessel, both servicing the gills of our fishy ancestors. When the vessel moved backwards during evoution, the RLN was constrained to remain behind it, still retaining its connection to the larynx, which evolved from a gill arch. The nerve could not break to attain the shortest route, for that would not be possible by natural selection: it would interrupt the nerve transmission and be maladaptive. Click to enlarge:
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Very interesting article http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/the-longest-cell-in-the-history-of-life/
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/the-longest-cell-in-the-history-of-life/
One of my favorite proofs of evolution is the recurrent laryngeal nerve (RLN)the nerve that innervates the larynx from the brain, helping us speak and swallow. It takes a very circuitous course, looping from the brainstem down around the aorta and then back up to the larynx. Heres its course in humans:
Its a prime example of bad design, that is, of the ham-handedness of any creator that was responsible for designing organisms. Of course, we arent designed, but evolved from very different ancestors. Thats why our bodies are full of glitches and kludges, and this nerve is one of them. Its much longer than it need be, taking a tortuous route several feet longer than the direct path from brain to neck.
Ive talked about the evolutionary reasons for this many times; you can see the full explanation in WEIT or read about it here. This diagram shows how it worked: the nerve used to line up with a blood vessel, both servicing the gills of our fishy ancestors. When the vessel moved backwards during evoution, the RLN was constrained to remain behind it, still retaining its connection to the larynx, which evolved from a gill arch. The nerve could not break to attain the shortest route, for that would not be possible by natural selection: it would interrupt the nerve transmission and be maladaptive. Click to enlarge:
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Very interesting article http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/the-longest-cell-in-the-history-of-life/
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)4. "Evolution has no foresight"....
Exactly.
It has to make due with the original design.
Kinda reminds me of a quote from the TV show 'Sliders'.
"The universe has no conscience, so we have to."
greiner3
(5,214 posts)6. In all fairness;
The recent killing and dissection of the giraffe by on of England's zoos may/may not have also showed this property.