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(3,316 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)Not sure why you posted your 1st comment as a question. They both suck. OK?
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)It is too bad our patriotism has overcome our wisdom. What is happening in Ukraine is extremely serious and not just what happened in Crimea.
This is what happened in many municipalities recently in Ukraine:
truth2power
(8,219 posts)Secondly, is it possible for you to give any context here? Who is the guy in the red shirt who is doing most of the talking? I mean, is he one of the Neo Nazi faction? Is the, quote, "security" with the clubs there to protect the Neo Nazis?
Parts of my family lived in Ukraine, long ago. It just breaks my heart to see the unintended consequences of, yes, the US meddling there. The US State Department should have a motto: "Be careful what you wish for".
I have been reading widely across the internet, as time allows, and where it's not necessary to filter everything through a mind-set of support for all things Democratic Party and demonizing of all things Russian (Putin), the story is quite different.
I am still trying to get a coherent picture, but it appears that the US was hands and feet into the fomenting of violence in the first place, as part of a plan of regime change throughout the ME and in this case, an attempt to expand NATO right up to Russia's border.
Specifically, the Nuland conversation (which I've listened to) should leave little doubt that the US was scheming to get their guy (Yats, as he's called) into place.
And whenever one is reading about the monetary rewards being offered to Ukraine by the Obama administration, look for the acronym, IMF in there somewhere.
That should tell you all you need to know. Or, in the alternative, read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" byJohn Perkins.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)truth2power
(8,219 posts)Look....that shiny thing over there!
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)instead of where the real neo-nazi threat exists.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But they do want to get rid of the Russians and the Jews.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)I do find the focus on the far right elements of the revolution by the media troubling though.
It gives them a lot of free PR and demonizes the other non RW elements of the uprising by lumping them in with these lunatics.
Mkap
(223 posts)Its in depth reporting like this that makes international media so much better then the partisan talking point of american media
bananas
(27,509 posts)BBC Newsnight
Published on Feb 28, 2014
BBC Newsnight's Gabriel Gatehouse investigates the links between the new Ukrainian government and Neo-nazis