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EarlG

(21,934 posts)
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:35 PM Mar 2014

Pic Of The Moment: Raising The Minimum Wage Will Lead To Disaster! Or Not...



What CBO Report? The State With The Highest Minimum Wage Is Adding Jobs


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Pic Of The Moment: Raising The Minimum Wage Will Lead To Disaster! Or Not... (Original Post) EarlG Mar 2014 OP
I'm more worried dsteve01 Mar 2014 #1
That couple is active on "Pic of the Moment" this week. tofuandbeer Mar 2014 #2
Their job is to keep people down and enrich the greedy corporations... santamargarita Mar 2014 #3
Logic and results underpants Mar 2014 #4
1998? ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #5
Don't I know it! Thanks EarlG, for the great graphic to go with the story. freshwest Mar 2014 #6
EarlG, great graphic, but shouldn't that be 'funny enough'? sinkingfeeling Mar 2014 #7
No, I think EarlG is right. It's a sentence adverb. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #13
Many people disagree. Try this article.... sinkingfeeling Mar 2014 #15
Thanks, an interesting perspective, but I think "Funny enough" here would be worse. Jim Lane Mar 2014 #17
AND we don't exempt tipped workers from the minimum wage. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #8
A couple of real JUG HEADS! BlueJac Mar 2014 #9
K & R SunSeeker Mar 2014 #10
These bits on DU always make me laugh npk Mar 2014 #11
Kick! Cha Mar 2014 #12
My own problem with the minimum wage increase is it never really increases wealth. Amimnoch Mar 2014 #14
This should be all over the media kenfrequed Mar 2014 #16

dsteve01

(312 posts)
1. I'm more worried
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 01:45 PM
Mar 2014

about the fact that I saw Littlefinger hanging out with Rand Paul at CPAC.

That being said: $10 minimum is only a matter of time. I doesn't matter if it doesn't fit into the neo-con mindset: it's what my generation wants. If the wage kept pace with efficiency -- it would be far, far beyond the $10 mark.

underpants

(182,603 posts)
4. Logic and results
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:09 PM
Mar 2014

You see they are all about capitalism (the Great Recession), fiscal discipline ($17 T in debt), and national security (9/11) so you can't dispute their logic or their results..... because they don't have any.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
5. 1998?
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:31 PM
Mar 2014

They have said it everytime for decades and they've been wrong every time.

There is nothing unique about 1998.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. Don't I know it! Thanks EarlG, for the great graphic to go with the story.
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 03:31 PM
Mar 2014
And that law was the result of electing good Democratic governors.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
13. No, I think EarlG is right. It's a sentence adverb.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 12:53 AM
Mar 2014

From the Wikipedia article on "Disjunct (linguistics)":

A specific type of disjunct is the sentence adverb (or sentence adverbial), which modifies a sentence, or a clause within a sentence, to convey the mood, attitude or sentiments of the speaker, rather than an adverb modifying a verb, an adjective or another adverb within a sentence.


That article gives several examples, such as "Interestingly, the comment made for a great topic of its own."

sinkingfeeling

(51,436 posts)
15. Many people disagree. Try this article....
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 10:30 AM
Mar 2014
http://dictionaryeyes.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/funnily-really/

"Until the day when we have an official and reliable scoring system, we should all subscribe to the notion that it’s much more important to be agreeable than it is to be right. So while people who use funnily would have a valid claim to correctness, I would have a superior claim to the statement that funnily sounds like a slurred uncertainty that a kindergartener would make up, like funnest or mostest or Saskatchewan. It’s not a word for grownups.

Because funny already acts as both an adjective and an adverb, funnily can’t make an argument for necessity, and it certainly can’t make an argument for delightfulness or appropriateness either. It doesn’t even sound like what it is supposed to mean. Funnily sounds more like an adjective form of funnel, as in This irrigation system needs to be far more funnely or My, you’re certainly looking funnely this evening."
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
17. Thanks, an interesting perspective, but I think "Funny enough" here would be worse.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 03:54 PM
Mar 2014

The author disparages "Funny enough" as a beginning to a sentence, but on substantive grounds, saying it adds nothing. The author then adds that "Funnily enough" would be even worse.

To my ear, "Funny enough, they made the exact same predictions...." sounds completely wrong. If you don't like "Funnily" then, instead of using "Funny" as an adverb, follow the suggestion of one of the commenters and use "Oddly" or "Strangely" or the like.

npk

(3,660 posts)
11. These bits on DU always make me laugh
Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:15 PM
Mar 2014

Everyday you know EarlG is going to have another example of conservative idiocy. The funny thing you would think once in a while they would get one right, LOL nope.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
14. My own problem with the minimum wage increase is it never really increases wealth.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:43 AM
Mar 2014

Focusing on the minimum wage is focusing on a small piece in a large puzzle, much like the focus on income disparity as a means of increasing income for the lowest paid of our wage earners.

For example how much is $1,000.00? Is it a lot? Is it a little? $1,000.00 (or any amount) is really not important at all. It's what you can buy for that $1,000.00 that really matters!

Take the minimum wage as an example. Since the beginning of the minimum wage corporate America has gotten very good at "adjusting" for minimum wage hikes.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774473.html

Please refer to the link, throughout the history of the minimum wage, the actual buying power of those stuck at the minimum wage level has never really increased. Dollar amount isn't as important as dollar value. Move it up to $10/hour, corporate America will adjust. Raise it to $22/hour, corporate America will adjust it again to ensure that those on the minimum wage never really gain any real, lasting increase in buying power.

The income gap is the same. The gap itself isn't what matters as much as what can the people on the low end of the gap afford to buy with what they make. Personally, I don't really care that the top 1% own's 95% (or whatever number it is) of the money in the world. What I do care about is that the lowest 10% (and by default everyone else in income ranges above them) have the ability to buy groceries, have a home, have a reasonably reliable (preferably energy efficient) automobile. Has access to basic luxuries that make's life worth living.

What we really need is a workers tax. A tax where the proceeds go directly to the workers. A tax that ties corporate profits to employee income. Starting at 15% Corporations need to compensate all employees, equally, 15% of their net. For example, Walmart netted $469 billion last year. Take 15% of that amount, or $70.35 Billion, and equally distribute it to all estimated $1.4 million employees. That's an additional, lump sum profit bonus to all employees of $50,250/ year. Then, if Walmart (and the rest of corporations) attempt to "adjust" they will have to do so by adjusting their own profit margins... something they won't do.

The benefit of this method, vs the minimum wage has an additional advantage. Because profit margins are the basis of the pay out, it will actually benefit corporations to increase their employee base rather than cutting them to protect their precious profit margins.

Heck, we might even be able to sell this to the cons, since this also vests the employee's interest in working harder to ensure the companies are successful (after all, they all have a real, and vested interest in the success of the company!)... THEN, for the gap to widen any further between the haves and the have nots, it would mean the have nots would also be getting a real, and proportional increase as well! One of those few cases where it could really be a win/win for all of us.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
16. This should be all over the media
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 02:40 PM
Mar 2014

Seriously, why isn't this the talking point?

Well... that and the fact that there hasn't been a significant study that proves the gloom and doom of the right wing.

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