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LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:40 AM Apr 2014

What an Autopilot could never do.



These take-offs and landings, and numerous "go-arounds," were filmed this winter at Birmingham airport in England, under what were evidently extremely gusty conditions. The wind's strength is one challenge. The continual changes in strength -- the gusts -- are the real problem.



http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/04/what-an-autopilot-could-never-do/360360/
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What an Autopilot could never do. (Original Post) LiberalArkie Apr 2014 OP
I could watch this all day. geardaddy Apr 2014 #1
Lord have mercy. Jerry442 Apr 2014 #2
Never say "never" joeglow3 Apr 2014 #3
Most people still don't think reliably self-driving cars are really going to happen pffshht Apr 2014 #33
I was in a landing like that when I flew into Athens, Greece a few years back Victor_c3 Apr 2014 #4
That pilot: "My Pay Has Been Cut 40 Percent In Recent Years" Ash_F Apr 2014 #10
I suppose that the runway design.. Historic NY Apr 2014 #5
How is that? pangaia Apr 2014 #9
Its got more waves than the ocean... Historic NY Apr 2014 #11
The waves have nothing to do with safety.. pangaia Apr 2014 #15
Airline pilot 30+ years here. I STRONGLY disagree. trof Apr 2014 #24
I defer to your experience. pangaia Apr 2014 #29
Well...um...thank you. trof Apr 2014 #30
'could' sure. Not been done yet. Hopefully you don't think it 'will' never do. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #6
This pilot agrees with you. n/t ColesCountyDem Apr 2014 #12
I would trust a cutting edge autopilot over a human CFLDem Apr 2014 #7
FWIW...30+ year airline pilot here. BULL. trof Apr 2014 #25
What's the deal with the not even kind of flat runway? eggplant Apr 2014 #8
The waviness of the runway is way exaggerated by a tele lens. Jerry442 Apr 2014 #17
When the main landing gear DISAPPEARS in a dip in the runway... trof Apr 2014 #26
k/r Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #13
my god dembotoz Apr 2014 #14
Enjoy your flight zebonaut Apr 2014 #16
I have been on a flight that landed like that yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #18
Note to self: never - EVER - fly to Birmingham! petronius Apr 2014 #19
The cockpit of the plane at the 4:00 minute mark; greiner3 Apr 2014 #20
That sickening *lurch* when the plane snaps around to straight after landing.. X_Digger Apr 2014 #21
Got a little queasy watching that. nt Fla Dem Apr 2014 #22
Note to self: To and from Birminghm - take the bus. marble falls Apr 2014 #23
What an Autopilot could never do. Android3.14 Apr 2014 #27
And some people wonder why some of us are afraid to fly passiveporcupine Apr 2014 #28
Almost looks like controlled crashes like on aircraft carrier deck Submariner Apr 2014 #31
A few aborted landings there, too. longship Apr 2014 #32
I read this and am comforted HeiressofBickworth Apr 2014 #34

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
2. Lord have mercy.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:13 AM
Apr 2014

Just watching those widebodies getting booted around like a Cessna two-seater made my stomach churn.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
3. Never say "never"
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:13 AM
Apr 2014

300 years ago, I bet someone pointed to a bird and said, that is something man could never replicate.

pffshht

(79 posts)
33. Most people still don't think reliably self-driving cars are really going to happen
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 09:29 PM
Apr 2014

But human driving skill is a known and finite quantity, and technology a still rapidly evolving thing. Once it gets to "drives almost as well as the average human in most circumstances" it will go from there to "drives far better than any human ever could in all circumstances" in a couple of years at the most.
After that, the idea you probably hold now that you would be able to steer clear of a dangerous evasive lane-changing situation on a 5-lane interstate in bad weather better than your self-driving car could, will seem as silly as the idea that you could brake more quickly than the ABS. And so it will go with landing airplanes.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
4. I was in a landing like that when I flew into Athens, Greece a few years back
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:14 AM
Apr 2014

Everyone spontaneously clapped and cheered when the place stopped.

In general, I have a lot of faith in the competence and ability of airline pilots or at least those of the major airlines working out of the first world countries. Footage like this and events like that of the pilot that landed his airplane in the Hudson River a few years back after an engine failure totally demonstrate this.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
10. That pilot: "My Pay Has Been Cut 40 Percent In Recent Years"
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:17 PM
Apr 2014

My Pay Has Been Cut 40 Percent In Recent Years, Pension Terminated
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/chesley-sully-sullenberge_0_n_169512.html



"future pilots are less experienced and less skilled, it logically follows that we will see negative consequences to the flying public and to our country"

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
5. I suppose that the runway design..
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:33 AM
Apr 2014

was suppose to minimize the problem but it sure looks like it makes it worse.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
15. The waves have nothing to do with safety..
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 01:49 PM
Apr 2014

Just too lazy to level the land, I suspect. It's not nearly as bad as it looks in the telephoto shots.

Few runways are perfectly level.
But that one does look a little.. extreme...

trof

(54,256 posts)
24. Airline pilot 30+ years here. I STRONGLY disagree.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 06:51 PM
Apr 2014

I've landed a 747 on thousands of runways.
Most are close to pool table flat.
Some have a very slight dip or crown around the midpoint.
I have never seen a roller coaster runway like this one.
I'm surprised it complies with whatever runway criteria the UK has.

It's hard enough to grease one onto a flat surface.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. 'could' sure. Not been done yet. Hopefully you don't think it 'will' never do.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:41 AM
Apr 2014

Because someday, it will. Better than a human.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
7. I would trust a cutting edge autopilot over a human
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

every time.

Humans aren't made to fly. Autopilots are.

I say this as a pilot and avionics A&P mechanic, for what it's worth.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
17. The waviness of the runway is way exaggerated by a tele lens.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 02:25 PM
Apr 2014

Kind of like that view of a baseball pitcher on TV where it looks like he could almost reach out and touch the batter.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
18. I have been on a flight that landed like that
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 03:25 PM
Apr 2014

at Chicago O'hara airport. My stomach was in my throat for a moment.. I am glad I had seat belts on.. probably would have slip slided away!

petronius

(26,602 posts)
19. Note to self: never - EVER - fly to Birmingham!
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 04:09 PM
Apr 2014


Although in a way I find videos like that somewhat reassuring: I hate to fly, and every little bump creeps me out, so seeing airplanes (and pilots) take that apparently in stride makes me feel a bit better about the process...
 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
20. The cockpit of the plane at the 4:00 minute mark;
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 04:55 PM
Apr 2014

Shows what I think is the person in the right seat, copilot/pilot, with their hands covering their face but as the plane touches down they uncover it.

Also, some of the landing planes seem to float.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
21. That sickening *lurch* when the plane snaps around to straight after landing..
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 05:15 PM
Apr 2014

.. is the closest I've ever came to being air sick.

Submariner

(12,503 posts)
31. Almost looks like controlled crashes like on aircraft carrier deck
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 07:31 PM
Apr 2014

Those big birds crabbing just before touchdown give the illusion the plane could veer off the side of the runway. I assume it is such a large mass moving essentially in one direction very fast that it forces itself to straighten out and stay on the runway.

I gouge the armrests with my fingernails during those kind of landings and get into crash position.

longship

(40,416 posts)
32. A few aborted landings there, too.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 08:43 PM
Apr 2014

And there were more than a few pilots who absolutely nailed the landing.

I've experienced one landing pretty much like these. I worked at Boeing at the time so I knew the drill. The pilot was go-o-o-od! He set it down squirrelly and straightened it up for the nose gear. No worries. But people were sure a-squirming before the wheels were on the ground. It was one of those puckered sphincter moments, if you get my meaning.

I told the pilot as I deplaned that I was a Boeing employee and that he did a great job. Indeed he had.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
34. I read this and am comforted
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:05 PM
Apr 2014

by my 1979 vow to never fly again. I truly respect the skills and bravery of pilots, but I'll never again take a flight. There are enough alternate means of transportation that I'll never be required to fly. I get sick and shaky just going to the airport to pick someone up!!!

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