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Related: About this forumCrossTalk: "Nulandistan" How the Mainstream Media is Reporting Conflict in Ukraine...
(An Interesting Watch...no matter Which Side You Favor ...or if You are Just Seeking Information BEYOND MSM...CNN/FAUX NEWS and the Rest...We don't see this on USA Mainstream Media):
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CrossTalk: Nulandistan
US Secretary of State John Kerry (R) and US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affaires Victoria Nuland pose before a meeting between representatives from Ukraine, the EU, and Russia on April 17, 2014 in Geneva.
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/154204-media-war-military-conflict/
The media war continues to see a showdown of some kind. Does the West want to provoke Russia into a military conflict? And will Russia back down? CrossTalking with Vladimir Suchan, Marcus Papadopoulos and Patrick Henningsen.
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/154204-media-war-military-conflict/
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I do not understand why a new organization funded by the Kremlin is considered a reputable source here.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)some people like to use it?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)gives RT some progressive cred among the naive by having his show on RT
KoKo
(84,711 posts)If you did watch it....you would have given a better argument. As it is...you have no argument and look like a person who replied to "Hit and Run." Wish you had watched it so you could "debunk the post" with a reasoned, intelligent response.
maybe you will give further thoughts after you watched it?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Sorry, I know you are very polite and apparently well meaning. But what if I politely asked you to just listen to Limbaugh and decide for yourself? Would you recognize that as a waste of your time? Or as someone trying to get you to believe propaganda and falsehoods?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Can you see it that way to give it a listen?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)So if you have Propaganda here in USA....why not have PROPAGANDA from Other Countries...and SOMEWHERE...INBETWEEN...there is TRUTH. But....you gotta watch both to understand.
Most folks have little time to delve much into the Magazines of Yesterday and the Dying Newspapers to try to understand what is going on.
So....there's the INTERNET...with Multiple Foreign Sources.
It's a good thing...in many ways...if you could see it that way.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)take a genius to know what the West is doing. Just spreading baloney, and the world knows it. And the IDF with a 17 billion dollar loan today...What a joke. I hope you showed this to Catherina.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)This ridiculous propaganda that the U.S. government puts out--no matter who seems to be in charge--that our "military-industrial complex" supports democracy around the world, while it, in fact, supports fascists, dictators, oligarchies and other rightwing scum, has been exposed in Latin America for what it is: tripe.
This is Latin America ALL OVER AGAIN. The lies are the same. The corporate media complicity is the same. The covert ops are the same. The goals are the same. The VAST misuse of our tax money is the same. The horrors inflicted on the victims will be the same. And the outcome will be the same: While a few make billions of dollars from armaments, chaos, stolen resources, slave labor, massacred local cultures and privatized public infrastructure, our name will be dragged through the mud AGAIN.
The monstrous dictators in Latin America who stole newborn babies from their mothers and murdered the mothers, who dropped "leftists" out of airplanes over the sea, who tortured and murdered thousands and thousands of people, WERE SUPPORTED BY THE U.S. "MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX," and, believe me, they are still at it--currently, in Honduras; over the last decade in Colombia; in Haiti and other places, meanwhile trying to OVERTHROW the democracies that have crawled out from under this U.S. reign of terror (recent U.S.-backed coup d'etat efforts in Venezuela, Bolivia, and Ecuador, recent successful U.S.-backed coup d'etats in Honduras, Paraguay and Haiti; and a U.S.-installed mafia don running Colombia during the Bush Junta; labor union leaders and other advocates of the poor are still being murdered in these countries; not to mention the heinous chaos of the corrupt, murderous, failed U.S. "war on drugs"--in Mexico, Honduras, Colombia and other places).
THAT is why the people of Latin America--who have REAL elections, unlike us--have elected presidents of their countries, in recent times, who personally suffered torture at the hands of U.S.-supported fascists, including the current president of Brazil, the current president of Uruguay, and the current president of Chile (who lost her father to U.S.-supported torturers), and have also favored former leftist guerrilla fighters for president (Brazil, Uruguay, Nicaragua, El Salvador), or leaders who have suffered imprisonment or other hardships inflicted by U.S.-friendly regimes (recent past presidents of Brazil and Venezuela; current president of Bolivia).
Most Latin Americans are fully aware of what the U.S. did to their countries. Having fought U.S.-supported horrors--even with arms--is no disgrace there; indeed, these days, it is a badge of courage, a sign of great leadership.
The U.S. is now doing to Ukraine what it did to Latin America: destroyed democracy, installed fascist dictators, supported them in their evil deeds--leaving the people of these countries with the Herculean task of restoring democracy and social justice. The current Kiev regime is both fascist and illegitimate. They gained power by a coup d'etat and threw out the elected government, with full support of the U.S. "military-industrial complex," some inner cabal of which is running things here for sure (and NOT the President).
There are parallels to U.S./MIC policy on Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Iran, in the current era, in the creation or attempted creation of chaos, vile arms trafficking and profiteering, vile covert ops, intense propaganda and war or threat of war, all for MIC geopolitical purposes. Some of this is pointed out by the speakers in this vid. But the parallel to Latin America is the closest because of the utter hypocrisy and damned lie that the U.S. is supporting democracy! The regime in Kiev is NOT democratic, not even close--it is anti-democratic. It is fascist, of the most virulent kind--some of them are Nazis! You don't have to be a Putin fan, nor a fan of Russian expansionism, to recognize this. I don't like him or his empire, but the people of the Ukraine VOTED FOR a government that favored friendly relations with Russia as opposed to the US/EU/NATO. That ELECTED government was the one that the U.S. helped overthrow!
Same old story. Pentagon 'contractors,' banksters, oil and other corporations--these are the entities being served by U.S. policy, and U.S. operatives. of whatever party, tell egregious lies, destroy democracies, obliterate sovereignty, and create chaos and war, at their behest.
I have for some time been watching RT it is a great source, never have I heard where the commentator 'fudged' his remarks to please the "bosses". What I find appalling is that fact that people like Thom Hartmann has to be on RT to be heard. That says alot about the "media" in our country which is so absurdly cowardly corrupt. And this corrupt "news media" is that way because of the MONEY they make and get used to living on so they need to keep their jobs. And in order to keep their jobs they just tow the line. RT is not perfect but it is what we don't have in America it is NEWS.
swilton
(5,069 posts)have been longing for a rebirth of the Cold War since the early 1990's in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Soviet Union.