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As True then as it is Today (Original Post) Fearless May 2014 OP
Truly great moment in this great film...nt Stuart G May 2014 #1
We need modern dotymed May 2014 #2
What truths? swilton May 2014 #4
Damn, and I think that I am a cynic. dotymed May 2014 #7
Sadly I think it is going the other direction... rwsanders May 2014 #5
Sentimental hogwash! RedSpartan May 2014 #3
Love the scene and the movie, but sometimes hate to see Lionel Barrymore as Potter... rwsanders May 2014 #6

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
2. We need modern
Tue May 13, 2014, 06:51 AM
May 2014

movies/series that entertain and teach these truths about our oligarchs all over tee vee.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
4. What truths?
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:45 PM
May 2014

I don't know what universe you live in but in the real world the George Baileys don't exist let alone win.

Finlayson on the Frankfurt School (from HABERMAS, a very short introduction)

When the political climate of Nazism made it impossible for its members (almost all of whom were of Jewish descent) to continue their work in Frankfurt, the Institute was temporarily relocated, first to Geneva and then to the United States, where they encountered at first hand a social phenomenon that was new to them, a consumer society in hock to a Fordist model of industrial capitalism and mass production. They were struck in particular by the way in which culture had been industrialized by big Hollywood film companies, broadcast media, and publishing firms. These giant monopolistic corporations exerted subtle techniques of manipulation and control which had the effect of making people accept and even affirm a social system that, behind their backs, thwarted and suppressed their fundamental interests. For example, the predictable happy endings of Hollywood 'B' movies provided ersatz satisfaction for mass audiences. Instead of being critical of social conditions that prevented them finding true happiness, they vicariously experienced the fictional happiness of their screen idols. Culture unwittingly played the role of an advertisement for the way things are. Horkheimer and his younger colleague Theodor W. Adorno (1903-1969), referred to tthis phenomenon as the 'culture industry'.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
7. Damn, and I think that I am a cynic.
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:40 AM
May 2014

"The Truths" that I was writing about are greed will make you a tyrant, "power" corrupts, do unto others....
THOSE are truths that TPTB have conveniently subverted.

rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
5. Sadly I think it is going the other direction...
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:47 PM
May 2014

I was thinking about some of the kids cartoons I have seen only brief moments of, but they have some characters that are chronically trying to "take" or "steal" and are consistently portrayed as irredeamably "bad". I think the purpose (whether intentional or just through laziness) is to give kids the idea that everyone must be "productive" to deserve anything, whatever society declares "productive" to be today.
I'm thinking of "swiper" in the Dora cartoons and "plankton" in the Spongebob. At least on Sesame Street, if there is a conflict like that, they try to find out why and encourage sharing.

rwsanders

(2,596 posts)
6. Love the scene and the movie, but sometimes hate to see Lionel Barrymore as Potter...
Tue May 13, 2014, 01:49 PM
May 2014

since I always remember him as Captain Cisco in "Captains Courageous". Such a great character in that movie. One of the best ever and nearly a documentary of some great old sailing schooners.

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