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This mean vile bigoted dinosaur just HAS to lose (Original Post) zebonaut Oct 2014 OP
HE is not the same ... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #1
You're insulting dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were way smarter than turtleman. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #2
Military service Scarsdale Oct 2014 #3
To get discharged it must have been one big incident! Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #15
It is my belief...... SmittynMo Oct 2014 #4
He is waaaaaaay past the expiration date LiberalArkie Oct 2014 #26
"...Has to loose" rock Oct 2014 #5
I love Matt Jones ReRe Oct 2014 #6
The Mutant Plucketeer Oct 2014 #7
Note: ReRe Oct 2014 #8
I just watched a couple of clips Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2014 #16
Yes, the time favored McTurtle ReRe Oct 2014 #17
maybe she didn't vote for Obama demwing Oct 2014 #21
You could be right. Nobody but Alison and God knows. ReRe Oct 2014 #24
you're right, nobody but Alison and God knows why she followed this path demwing Oct 2014 #25
I'm guessing she didn't vote for him, SmittynMo Oct 2014 #27
Neoconservative, neoliberal, neo-anderthal Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #9
"It is my belief that marriage is between one woman and one turtle" n/t VWolf Oct 2014 #10
Primitive talking points. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #11
I absolutely agree that Turtleman has to lose--BUT... Old Crow Oct 2014 #12
Its only a gaffe if it hurts her demwing Oct 2014 #18
Not sure I agree with you there. Old Crow Oct 2014 #19
In Kentucky, Obama is not very popular with anyone except the liberal base demwing Oct 2014 #20
Well, it's an interesting situation. Old Crow Oct 2014 #22
Agreed, all around /nt demwing Oct 2014 #23
DEFEAT THE TURTLEMAN! Old Crow Oct 2014 #13
"Im not a Scientist" zebonaut Oct 2014 #14

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
3. Military service
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:22 AM
Oct 2014

He only lasted about 3 weeks in the service, before being discharged for "an incident in the showers" The DC gym must not have such stringent rules!!

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
4. It is my belief......
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:23 AM
Oct 2014

Over and over again. Rinse and repeat for all his answers. Yet he gives no reasons as to why he believes his beliefs. I'm with you. McTurtle has to go. This country cannot take another term of this kind of obstructionism, narrow mindedness, and stupidity.

It is MY belief Senator, and I'm no scientist, your time is up and it's time to step down. Rinse and repeat!!!!

The really sad part is, and I'm guessing here, of the 500K on the ACA, a good percentage are republicants, and they'll still support him and vote for him.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
6. I love Matt Jones
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:15 AM
Oct 2014

I listen to him before and after every Univ of KY basketball game on the radio. He's a great host and gets as many callers in as possible. Great sports radio host. And as you could hear, he was not intimidated by Sen. McTurtle.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
8. Note:
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:21 AM
Oct 2014

The debate (or brawl) between Alison and Mitch is tonight, Monday, 10-13-14 at 8pm EDT and I'm pretty sure it will be broadcast on KY's PBS station: http://www.KET.org

Might also be on C-Span.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
16. I just watched a couple of clips
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:18 AM
Oct 2014

And turtleman was lying his ass off and nobody really corrected him on most of it. The questions really seemed slanted towards the turtle and the format really didn't allow for rebuttal per se. I think AG lost that debate because of those reasons.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
17. Yes, the time favored McTurtle
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:49 AM
Oct 2014

She lost for those reasons and because she chose to distance herself from PO. And why couldn't she just say yes, she did vote for him? Maybe KY Republicans will fall for her performance. Guess we'll find out soon enough. I'm in KY and am going to vote for her, and everyone I know is going to vote for her too. Thank God, I don't travel in McTurtle circles. I can't tell you how much I hate that man.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
25. you're right, nobody but Alison and God knows why she followed this path
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 10:39 PM
Oct 2014

Alison and God, and no one else

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
27. I'm guessing she didn't vote for him,
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:49 AM
Oct 2014

and I don't give a shit. It's her right to not disclose this information. She does not see eye to eye with Obama, on some things, and I'm OK with that too. I would like to hear her say what she is for, and how she would accomplish her tasks. That would put her over the top.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
12. I absolutely agree that Turtleman has to lose--BUT...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:07 PM
Oct 2014

... I really wish Alison Grimes hadn't evaded the question on voting for Obama. I'm holding my breath until the next polling data because I'm worried how much that gaffe will have cost her.

If anyone from the Grimes campaign is reading this, here's my advice:

Alison needs to respond to questions about that gaffe ASAP. And what she should say is the simple truth:

"Look, of course I voted for Obama. I'm a Democrat. Have I been happy with everything Obama's done? No, of course not. Why did I not want to answer when asked about my vote? Because I was sure my opponent would pounce upon that soundbite and broadcast it relentlessly in an attempt to distract voters from his dismal performance as a senator. But you know what? I'm learning you can't try to control everything. Sometimes you just have to trust the good judgment of your fellow citizens. So, one last time, for the record: Did I vote for Obama? Yes. Do I agree with all of Obama's policies? Heck No. Do I think I will be a better senator for Kentucky? Absolutely, positively, 100% Heck Yes."

Something to that effect.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
18. Its only a gaffe if it hurts her
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 08:33 AM
Oct 2014

and there is not a single liberal that will vote against Grimes, or risk another McConnell term.

She MUST stand her ground and protect the secrecy of the vote, or risk looking weak and indecisive.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
19. Not sure I agree with you there.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:37 PM
Oct 2014

What you're advising is a doubling-down on the "sanctity of the voting box" response. I think that's a mistake. Time will tell, of course; as soon as new polling data comes out, we can get a feel for how this played with the voters.

I must say, I don't understand how your observaton about liberals not voting for McConnell figures into this. Of course she's got the liberal vote. What is at issue is the vote of the undecideds. To my way of thinking, her refusal to answer the simple question of whom she voted for may push a lot of them over to McConnell, on the basis that this kind of political triangulation is repugnant and at least McConnell can give a straight answer. (Mind you, those aren't my sentiments; I'm trying to reproduce the thinking of undecided voters.)

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
20. In Kentucky, Obama is not very popular with anyone except the liberal base
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:59 PM
Oct 2014

McConnell wants to tie Grimes to Obama with the swing voters (the left already likes her, the right already hates her), and she's not letting him.

Her only alternative to not telling is to say "No, I didn't vote for Obama." Maybe she should have approached this differently from the get go, but she didn't. Now, her best option is to double down. It will cast her a strong in her convictions and an independent thinker. To waiver now would make her look weak and fearful.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
22. Well, it's an interesting situation.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:14 PM
Oct 2014

We disagree, which is fine. I've got to imagine there has been quite a bit of debate within the Grimes camp over this.

If I had to guess, I'd say that the next set of polls will show Grimes even or at a slight lead versus McConnell--and that will be a result of (1) losing undecideds by evading the voting question, and then (2) gaining many undecideds back by her strong debate performance.

If, on the other hand, Grimes's numbers have significantly deteriorated, that will be a sure sign that evading the voting question disgusted a lot of undecided voters and even the strong debate performance couldn't repair the damage.

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