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NASA Antares Rocket Launch Failure - Huge Explosion (Original Post) yuiyoshida Oct 2014 OP
I guess that is why they call it "rocket science" jimlup Oct 2014 #1
Jet airplanes have been flying since the '40s, but once in awhile one crashes. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #2
Airline flights: EACH DAY DeSwiss Oct 2014 #15
Isn't this private company? Trajan Oct 2014 #3
Yes, they've built rockets for NASA Warpy Oct 2014 #6
NASA's Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport in Wallops Island, Virginia. jakeXT Oct 2014 #8
Interesting, thanks Warpy Oct 2014 #12
"We've had an anomaly" MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #19
Yeah, they're geniuses at understatement. Warpy Oct 2014 #25
The first hint that I heard of a problem with today's launch MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #27
Fair disclosure ... Trajan Oct 2014 #18
Yes. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #7
This would have been the first docking of Cygnus then? Trajan Oct 2014 #20
Oh no! nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #4
Still a lot of points of failure. And it will always be this way, I think. Old and In the Way Oct 2014 #5
In this case the machine was made of Ukranian components manufactured in the 1960s-1970s unrepentant progress Oct 2014 #9
Well, there you go. Could be a ukranian component....could have been India, Chinese, or US. Old and In the Way Oct 2014 #10
We'll know more soon I think unrepentant progress Oct 2014 #11
This old fart thinks you're probably spot on. (nt) paleotn Oct 2014 #14
Happens.... paleotn Oct 2014 #13
Probably had something flammable on-board. DeSwiss Oct 2014 #16
That looked like a very crowded launch area...buildings and such KeepItReal Oct 2014 #17
Makes me admire all the more the courage of those . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #21
getting things right padruig Oct 2014 #22
Thank you!!! I was also going to post that. Duppers Oct 2014 #23
This unmaned launch was CONTRACTED out! Duppers Oct 2014 #24
Somebody get me a hot dog! mindwalker_i Oct 2014 #26
You win some, you lose some ... DreamGypsy Oct 2014 #28

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,673 posts)
2. Jet airplanes have been flying since the '40s, but once in awhile one crashes.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:55 PM
Oct 2014

Automobiles have been around for about 100 years, but there are still accidents.

Personal computers have been in use since the early '80s, but now and then a hard drive crashes.

Stuff happens for a lot of reasons. There is no such thing as a system that is completely impervious to failures.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
6. Yes, they've built rockets for NASA
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 07:17 PM
Oct 2014

and it looks like this one was launched from Kennedy. Apparently it had a scientific payload, which makes the loss more tragic.

It's a hella good bang, though. I hope there were no injuries.

It almost looks like the bottom of the liquid fuel rockets fell off. All of a sudden, it just lost thrust, fell, and went boom.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
12. Interesting, thanks
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:20 PM
Oct 2014

This is what happened when one exploded a lot closer to takeoff and over land. That's mostly burning solid fuel raining down. No one was hurt but parking lots full of cars were destroyed. My dad lived 14 miles south, said it took forever to put the forest fires out.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
27. The first hint that I heard of a problem with today's launch
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 01:06 AM
Oct 2014

Was something on the Internet like "Orbital Sciences are reviewing the flight data" or some such silliness.

"Sucker blew the hell to smithereens" would have been the better update, but what do I know - I'm not an Internet journalist/

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
18. Fair disclosure ...
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:09 PM
Oct 2014

I worked for the company that built the Apollo capsule and the Space Shuttle ... I am definitely biased ...

As much as I hope for the best outcomes for these 'private' launches, I still doubt that the upper echelons of an Orbital Sciences or a Space X management team gets (or cares a lot about) the complexity and the risk of rocket operations ...

The corporate mindset can be dangerous when clouded by dollar signs ...

Launches to the ISS should be public domain ... an act by and for the commons ... I dislike inserting a profit motive between a rocket and it's (possible) passengers ...

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. Yes.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 07:19 PM
Oct 2014

The third Orbital Sciences cargo mission to the International Space Station under NASA's Commercial Resupply Services contract is scheduled to launch at 6:22 p.m. EDT Tuesday, Oct. 28, from Pad 0A of the Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport at NASA’s Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia.

NASA Television coverage of Tuesday's launch will begin at 5:30 p.m. A post-launch news conference will follow at approximately 8 p.m.

A Monday launch attempt was scrubbed because of a boat down range in the trajectory Orbital’s Antares rocket would have flown had it lifted off.

A Tuesday launch will result in the Cygnus spacecraft arriving at the space station early Sunday, Nov. 2. NASA TV coverage of rendezvous and berthing will begin at 3:30 a.m. with grapple at approximately 4:58 a.m.

http://www.nasa.gov/press/2014/october/launch-of-third-orbital-sciences-mission-to-space-station-rescheduled-nasa-tv/

Republicans like to tell us that private enterprise does things better, more efficiently and cheaper than the government. Well, NASA wasn't perfect. But obviously privatizing NASA's work hasn't helped to make our rocket program any better than it was.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
20. This would have been the first docking of Cygnus then?
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:19 PM
Oct 2014

I totally agree with your statement ... Space flight is NOT 'easy' ... I'm not comfortable with this activity in the private sphere ... rocket launches are just too persnickety to assume profit and safety can coexist together ...

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
5. Still a lot of points of failure. And it will always be this way, I think.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 07:02 PM
Oct 2014

As Steve Buschemi said in the great sci_fi pic of a mining crew trying to save the world from an asteroid: "just think, this amazing machine is made up of 100,000 individual parts made by the lowest bidder!" Or something like that. Oh well, no lives were lost and lessons were learned.

9. In this case the machine was made of Ukranian components manufactured in the 1960s-1970s
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 07:37 PM
Oct 2014

Those are old recycled Soviet NK-33 engines on that first stage, and it's looking like there was a blowout of the turbopump almost immediately after ignition. Those are very complex engines which vent to the side and are prone to blowouts. We'll see what the investigation shows though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NK-33

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
10. Well, there you go. Could be a ukranian component....could have been India, Chinese, or US.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 07:47 PM
Oct 2014

But when we bite on cheap, don't be surprised when we get bitten back. There's sometime a reason when similR component cost drastically different....it is in the testing or chemistry or attention to tolerances. As we move further away from actual manufacturing, I suspect we will see more catastrophic failures made by non-US companies bidding on price with oversight by 20 something tech folks with no understanding of what they are evaluating. This old fart could be wrong, though.

11. We'll know more soon I think
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 07:56 PM
Oct 2014

They may be recycled Soviet engines, but they're reconditioned by Aerojet. And my theory could be hogwash. There's certainly going to be enough failure to spread around.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
13. Happens....
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:29 PM
Oct 2014

...no matter how tried and true the launch vehicle, there's always a risk, even with solid boosters. Anytime you're dealing with liquid propellants, as in this case, the risk goes up. The engines, at least one of which obviously failed spectacularly, are modified old Soviet NK-33s, designed for the Soviet manned lunar program back in the day that never quite got off the ground. Sort of the Soviet version of the F-1s that powered the Saturn V.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
17. That looked like a very crowded launch area...buildings and such
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:59 PM
Oct 2014

Hope they were not occupied.

That water tower is awfully close as well.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
21. Makes me admire all the more the courage of those . . .
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 10:11 PM
Oct 2014

. . . who willingly place themselves atop these things in order to be shot into space!

padruig

(133 posts)
22. getting things right
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 12:19 AM
Oct 2014

the title of this YouTube video is misleading

this was a launch of the Orbital Sciences Antares launch vehicle with the Cygnus unmanned cargo carrier

both built by Orbital Sciences

the launch facility was the NASA Wallops Flight Facility on the coast of Virginia

this work was conducted under a under NASA contract to deliver needed provisions and experiments to the ISS / National Lab



currently NASA is building a new launch vehicle, the SLS (Space Launch System) with a cargo capability of 70 to 140 tonnes (more than five times the Space Shuttle)





DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
28. You win some, you lose some ...
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 02:32 AM
Oct 2014

...some are rained out. You always suit up.

Thank you NASA for your best efforts. Your vision keeps alive the prospect of humanity's future.

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