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annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:53 PM Apr 2012

Anonymous General Strike OpMayDay A Day without the 99%




Stand up against the 1%. Spread this video everywhere and prepare for battle. Follow @TheAnonMessage on Twitter. Follow @Theanonhelper




How are we going to have a General Strike if folks can’t ‘officially’ strike? By calling in sick to work. By school walk outs. And by disrupting the flow of Capital on Mayday.




6 Ways to Get Ready for the May 1st GENERAL STRIKE

http://occupywallst.org/article/6-ways-to-get-ready-may-1st-general-strike/

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Anonymous General Strike OpMayDay A Day without the 99% (Original Post) annm4peace Apr 2012 OP
It won't happen. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #1
such positive thinking,. Civilization2 Apr 2012 #2
And being "on record" means what? marble falls Apr 2012 #3
How easy it is to predict that "It just wont happen". rhett o rick Apr 2012 #4
Can you tell me where the Dow Jones Industrial Index will be next week? xtraxritical Apr 2012 #5
Sure. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #6
I predict you're wrong wxgeek7 Apr 2012 #7
Occupy. We're out here doing something. Why not join us? Fire Walk With Me Apr 2012 #8
grandiose dreams like the civil rights ? annm4peace Apr 2012 #10
Each of those was a single issue Speck Tater Apr 2012 #13
we are still in the beginning annm4peace Apr 2012 #14
An easy thing to say when you aren't going to do anything yourself. teknomanzer Apr 2012 #12
"This is an urgent call to action". So ACT. Fire Walk With Me Apr 2012 #9
either are part of the movement annm4peace Apr 2012 #11
 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
1. It won't happen.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:35 AM
Apr 2012

One big problem that we on the left have is we like to live in fantasy land. In that respect we're just as bad as the Freepers. We have grandiose dreams of mass movements, and we may see a reasonably large protest march here and there, now and then, but there won't be any general strike on May 1. It just won't happen. It's a pipe dream.

I don't say this to try to convince anybody that I'm right. I say this just to be on record as having said it. I don't need to prove it when events will prove it for me 12 days from now. And by this time next month it will be just as forgotten as the "occupy movement" is now. (Which I also predicted, by the way.)

 

Civilization2

(649 posts)
2. such positive thinking,.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 07:41 AM
Apr 2012

Google for "Occupy" = About 25,000,000 results (0.22 seconds)

So the 25 million web hits is your definition of forgotten? Looks like you may just be an Eeyore,. .

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. How easy it is to predict that "It just wont happen".
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:28 AM
Apr 2012

Something will happen. But it probably wont meet your definition of "it".

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
6. Sure.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 01:41 PM
Apr 2012

It will be somewhat different than it is today. Possibly a lot different, but more likely just a little different.

You can say "tomorrow will be almost like today" and almost always be right.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
10. grandiose dreams like the civil rights ?
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:50 PM
Apr 2012

like the women's right to vote ?

LIke women's rights?

like the dream of ending child labor ?


 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
13. Each of those was a single issue
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 02:07 AM
Apr 2012

that could be expressed in a sentence. The focus was clear and known to everyone both inside and outside the movements in question. There was a single, straight line connecting the desired action to the desired outcome.

Inside the OWS/99% movement there are dozens (if not hundreds) of different, conflicting ideas about what should be done and how, and outside the movement, nobody has the slightest idea what they are about beyond camping out in city parks.

The "movement" is too abstract and too unfocused to accomplish anything whatsoever. It has no single, focused, easy to express and, in theory at least, easy to implement goal: eliminate the practice of openly discriminating against people based on skin color; Allow women to register and vote; Prohibit children from working in factories.

In contrast, the OWS has a laundry list of desired outcomes but nobody has any idea how to arrive at those outcomes. Everyone knew how to arrive at the outcome "give women the vote" because the action was the outcome. OWS has lots of really good outcomes they would like to see, but without concrete steps, nothing will happen. And nobody can agree on which actions need to be taken, or whether those actions will or will not help reach the desired outcomes. They are trying to solve an immensely complex, multifaceted problem with the tools that have only ever worked for single-issue, simple straight-line problems, and never for changing the behavior of large dynamical systems.

The fact is, nobody has any idea how to safely change the behavior of such a huge, complex dynamical system as the world economy, especially not a diffuse band of campers with no special expertise in complex systems theory. The world economy is a chaotic system that could flip from one strange attractor to another even with careful manipulation by people who know something about how the system works. Let politicians or street protestors start forcing changes to the system and the whole thing will break catastrophically. That's like letting a committee of plumbers and shoe salesmen get together to perform open heart surgery. There's no way the patient will survive, let alone get better.

The world economic system has reached a critical point where the only way to fix it is radical simplification, and that will not happen voluntarily. It will, however, happen, and no matter what politicians and bankers and OWS tries to do to exert some control over the changes, the changes will be fast, chaotic, unpredictable, and will result in a radically simpler system that nobody will like, and that might well be even more unbalanced and unfair than it is now if it becomes as simple as a feudal system.

So, no. OWS doesn't have a chance of doing any good. Nor do politicians or economists. It's too late for that. The system is too complex to understand, and too complex to control any more. Radical simplification is the only possible outcome.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
14. we are still in the beginning
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 08:10 PM
Apr 2012

in the movement are veterans of the civil rights and women's movement. What i hear over and over again from these elders is that this movement is just beginning and forming and think it happening bigger and faster than the other movements.

I hold on to their experiences and knowledge and will continue to participate on Occupy.

like one of the other posters said.. it is better than sitting on the couch

teknomanzer

(1,868 posts)
12. An easy thing to say when you aren't going to do anything yourself.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 12:26 AM
Apr 2012

This upcoming election we will see a deluge of corporate money financing campaigns on both sides. The voice of a single citizen cannot match this money driven "free speech." Change will only happen when folks get their asses up off the couch to join the collective voice of their fellow citizens. Take action now or settle for nothing later. Occupy!

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
9. "This is an urgent call to action". So ACT.
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:41 PM
Apr 2012

What will you say to yourself five years from now when you look back and realize you could have made a real difference?

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
11. either are part of the movement
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 11:54 PM
Apr 2012

or not.


Everyday Occupy movement in cities across the country and the world are making changes. They are stopping foreclosures, confront police brutality, holding mayors, senators, reps, governors accountable.

post some flyers.. talk to friends, family, and co-workers..

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