Why is the "marriage factor" An example for women making less than men per hour?

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Maddow on women MTP

[ProfessionalLeftist]

1. Who are women married to?

Men. So why are men not penalized with lower wages for being married? I know the answer to that. It has its basis in 1950s attitudes that no longer apply in today's world. In other words, it's bullshit.

[Tunkamerica]

3. but, assuming his statistic is truthful...

what is the explanation? Single women between 40 and 64 make $7000 more a year? Seems weird.

I know several liberal women who have stayed home to care for their kids for the first few months/years while their husbands continued to work.

Is that being factored into the statistics of women's pay vs. men's? It shouldn't be. It should only be 40 hrs a week or a full time salary worker vs. the same over the same time frame with no variation.

I kind of think it is and this is an obfuscation but I'm not 100% sure.

Lies and damn lies.

[gtar100]

2. That's a good question. And it shows how much these conservatives have to twist the truth

to fit their world view. It escapes them just how ridiculous their arguments sound.

"Every greedy business man in America would hire only women and save 25% and be hugely profitable". -asshat talking to Rachel

What the hell is this guy's point anyway? Of what benefit is his denial of statistical facts to him? "The marriage factor" comment really says a lot about him and the group that thought up that phrase for him. I get the feeling that the real motivation behind this world view of the conservatives, as far as business is concerned, is to keep wages as low as possible. They resist any notion that might lend credence to the justification for higher wages. This is how they conduct class warfare. No vision for a better world for everyone, just the select few. His whole demeanor in this segment was that of a first-class jerk.

[SemperEadem]

5. his talking point was to be condescending to Rachel

and to try to paint her as an overly-emotional/hysterical woman who did not have facts and reason on her side.

The gop tack of denying their war on women is a textbook example of gaslighting.

[dkf]

4. I guess it comes down to what people consider comparable.

The Department of Labor's Time Use survey shows that full-time working women spend an average of 8.01 hours per day on the job, compared to 8.75 hours for full-time working men. One would expect that someone who works 9% more would also earn more. This one fact alone accounts for more than a third of the wage gap.

Choice of occupation also plays an important role in earnings. While feminists suggest that women are coerced into lower-paying job sectors, most women know that something else is often at work. Women gravitate toward jobs with fewer risks, more comfortable conditions, regular hours, more personal fulfillment and greater flexibility. Simply put, many women—not all, but enough to have a big impact on the statistics—are willing to trade higher pay for other desirable job characteristics.

Men, by contrast, often take on jobs that involve physical labor, outdoor work, overnight shifts and dangerous conditions (which is also why men suffer the overwhelming majority of injuries and deaths at the workplace). They put up with these unpleasant factors so that they can earn more.

Recent studies have shown that the wage gap shrinks—or even reverses—when relevant factors are taken into account and comparisons are made between men and women in similar circumstances. In a 2010 study of single, childless urban workers between the ages of 22 and 30, the research firm Reach Advisors found that women earned an average of 8% more than their male counterparts. Given that women are outpacing men in educational attainment, and that our economy is increasingly geared toward knowledge-based jobs, it makes sense that women's earnings are going up compared to men's.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576250672504707048.html

[fasttense]

6. The Wall Street Urinal, owned by the same guy testifying before Parliament

about his illegal activities. Oh sure, I would trust what his newspaper run for Wall Street Banksters has to say about underpaid women.

1st your assumption that women choose to work less hours. Have you looked for a job recently? Good luck finding full time hours. In general, women have to take part-time because that is all that is available to them.

Oh yeah, women choose jobs that pay less because they want to get paid less? Women do NOT take poor paying jobs so that they have "fewer risks, more comfortable conditions, regular hours, more personal fulfillment and greater flexibility". Everyone, men and women, want those things and to be paid fairly. But frequently all women get is the poor pay.

Ever work as a house cleaner? Those jobs are primarily filled by women. But they do not provide "fewer risks, more comfortable conditions, regular hours, more personal fulfillment or greater flexibility". Just look at all the women who are raped by hotel guests and management staff. There are plenty of risks involved in going into someone's home or room and cleaning up their mess. The conditions for cleaning are far from comfortable, toilet bowl cleaning can even make your seriously ill. It also requires heavy physical labor, carting large vacuums, moving furniture, carrying out heavy trash. Did you know most women have heart attacks while vacuum cleaning? And because of the frequent turnover, your hours are never regular and you better show up on time or you're quickly replaced with another younger version.

So, if a women remains unmarried, childless and only lives in a big city she can expect to make more. Wow, what an awful trade off. Yet men don't have to remain single, childless and live only in big cities to make more than women.

This whole article is a load of fantasies strung together with sexism and stupidity.

[mopinko]

7. "Men, by contrast, often take on jobs"

then make sure women cannot get those jobs. i was a union carpenter many years ago. i helped found an organization dedicated to overcoming the problems that most of us had getting and keeping blue collar jobs. even today, there are hair curling stories i could tell you about men hazing women workers, including in ways that risked their lives.
there is much sexism still at work. don't kid yourself.

[AlbertCat]

8. Choice of occupation also plays an important role in earnings.

Why yes it does. Thanks for pointing that out!


But none of your points address equal pay for equal work.

[Buzz cook]

9. Except

"Men, by contrast, often take on jobs that involve physical labor, outdoor work, overnight shifts and dangerous conditions (which is also why men suffer the overwhelming majority of injuries and deaths at the workplace). They put up with these unpleasant factors so that they can earn more."

Most jobs that demand physical labor, are dangerous, etc are low wage jobs.