Geoengineering And The Dying Of The Trees

[Romis]

Http://www.GeoengingeeringWatch.org

[Buzz Clik]

1. Would you mind providing some context to this video?

Where is this being shot?
Who is the person in the video?
When was it shot?

[2naSalit]

6. The guy in the vid

is not identified but he does identify the location at least twice. He is looking at the boreal forest in NE Calif. not far from Shasta Lake, about 30 miles (?) north of Redding. Used to be a beautiful area.

I guess going to the web site might reveal who he is. I'm going to look in a moment.

[Romis]

11. Reply

That's why I included a link. However, here is the direct link to the article and video.

https://tinyurl.com/mp7cs88

[dixiegrrrrl]

2. Romis,, most people will not click on a video that they know noting about.

If you were to tell us something about the video, it would help.

And welcome to DU.

[panfluteman]

3. The Guy DID Give His Location in the Video...

He said that it was north of Redding, CA in Shasta county, near Siskiyou county - that's in northern CA, in between Redding, which is at the northern end of the great central San Joaquin valley, and Mt. Shasta, which is right below the Oregon border. I suppose that you don't know that much about California, but I lived there for many years, and am intimately familiar with just about every part of the state. I am even familiar with a lot of the vegetation he talked about, like the Manzanita bushes / small trees. When I went hiking in the mountains of southern California, I even used to munch on the Manzanita berries - mmm, quite tasty, and a good genitourinary tonic to boot. You can even see the remains of the dark purple Manzanita berries in the stools of wild animals that you encounter on the trail - but I didn't eat that! It seems, from what he was saying, that the Manzanita in his part of California, which is probably downwind from all the toxic chemical agriculture sprays in the San Joaquin valley, is not doing nearly as well as the Manzanita I munched on in SoCal, which was not in any geographical proximity to any large agricultural areas. But then, I was hiking the hills of SoCal a few years back, and maybe things have gotten quite a bit worse since then...

I was wondering how you DUers would react to this kind of an alternative or "fringe" science video. I thought that Dr. Hobbitstein and other trolls of his ilk would be out denouncing it as tin foil hat / Alex Jones / Infowars kinda stuff. But in my opinion, this is really not any wild conspiracy theory; if the corporations are in control, as we know they are in the post Citizens United era, they would naturally try to hide all this geoengineering stuff, and make people think that everything is just hunky dory, when it really isn't. It seems like the definition of geoengineering, as presented in this video, is that of artificial and toxic attempts to restore some semblance or facsimile of balance to the ecosystem, and merely mask or cover up the grave and serious pathology and imbalance that actually exists.

[Buzz Clik]

8. Not wasting another minute on the video (he never identified his location in the first 3.5 min)...

... but he did identify one the plants as the "silver leaf manzanita", but this plant grows ONLY in the Zayante Sandhills, just north of Santa Cruz and a long way from Mount Shasta.

Maybe his heart is in the right place, but his brain has launched off into Bizzaroworld.

I won't disrupt this thread further...

[DeSwiss]

4. As the ecosystems slowly collapse around us......

...look for more and more people to go into denial.

- K&R

See also -- 13 baby gray whales and 55 dolpins found dead on West Coast — “Rash of dead humpback whales in Oregon” — “Corpses of sea lions, birds, sea turtles decomposing” — Mysterious deaths probed by gov’t — “Fear for whales encountering ‘radiation hot spots’… Volunteers trained about dangers of radiation” (VIDEOS)

[Buzz Clik]

5. Just 120 seconds into this video... WTF!!!!

Prior to doing a bit of research: I'm guessing the landscape is California somewhere. He's showing some closeups of some plants that he says are unhealthy and dying. There's some leaf necrosis, but I don't know this plant. (Dude -- the singular of species is species, not specie.) The plants look ok to me, but I'll take his word that they are in trouble. Then he says, "We've had 40+ inches of rain in the past two months." Er... what? Where? That is a helluva lot of rain. "This is excessive UV." Huh... wait... explain! He doesn't explain. "We have fungal issues happening with these plants now..." No shit! Forty inches of rain in two months means completely saturated soil -- and fungal problems! "... because the bioavailable metals kill soil microbes..." Wait. I know a shitpile about this, and the amount of metals needed to kill microbes would denude ALL VEGETATION. "... that allows fungal proliferation..." What? Fungi are microorganisms. Are you fucking daffy? "Of the 200 species of plants and animals we lose per day, 70% are fungally related." Never heard a number that high for extinctions and never heard any of it blamed on fungi. You got a citation for that? "When people take antibiotics, they typically get fungal infections." Huh -- typically? Is that what you mean, or is that poorly phrased.

We then move on to another bush. This one is clearly healthy -- no necrosis anywhere, uniform, healthy color. But here it comes: "This is a slightly larger specimen of Manzanita. When you look at the whole tree (sic), it certainly doesn't look healthy because it is not healthy. You see it is not flowering. This plant is horrifically affected from the excessive UV and the bioavailable metals in the rain..." What the fuck are you talking about???!!!!

I stopped the video. This guy provides no substantiation to his crackpot claims.

And then I did some research -- he's the darling of the chemtrails freaks.

Nevermind. Thanks for wasting my time.

[panfluteman]

9. Secondary Fungal Infections ARE a Common Hazzard and Side Effect of Antibiotic Use

and that's an established fact. I have weak probiotic flora in my intestines, and also a low immune resistance to molds, yeast and fungi, as well as problems with Candidiasis, so I try my best to stay clear of antibiotics, and will never take them if I can help it. The reason for the tendency of antibiotics to cause secondary fungal infections is quite clear and simple - they are derived from fungi themselves. And as for the metals he was talking about, they are probably alkaline metals, which make the pH of the soil too alkaline, which favors the overgrowth of molds and fungi. And definitely, the Manzanita bushes did not have any berries on them - but maybe they were out of season... Those Oak trees he pointed out looked quite sick or dead to me. So I don't think that he is as much of a crackpot as you think he is. And as for the species of Manzanita, whether he calls that Silver Manzanita or whatever, it looks like good ole regular Manzanita to me - a hardy and drought resistant plant that is prevalent not just throughout California, but also in Arizona, New Mexico, and probably all throughout the American Southwest.

OK - so you think that the whole chemtrail stuff is a bunch of baloney, and maybe you are right. But corporations, given the near absolute power they enjoy today, will flout and break all environmental regulations that are aimed to protect our environment, and get away with it - that's a political fact. And the whole geoengineering thing of covering up the evidence of your environmental abuses also has a well known precedent in our recent history - namely, the BP oil spill in the gulf. Not only did they simply cover up the oil and tar coming ashore in the most shoddy and superficial way, but they also used very toxic agents, like Correxit, to clean up their mess - or make it SEEM like it was cleaned up - which caused a lot of additional harm to the environment. But such abuses will be a political fact of life in our brave new corporatocracy.

[Buzz Clik]

10. Hm.

Secondary Fungal Infections ARE a Common Hazzard and Side Effect of Antibiotic Use

I didn't say fungal infections never occurred, I challenged his phrasing: " "When people take antibiotics, they typically get fungal infections." That is not correct.

And as for the metals he was talking about, they are probably alkaline metals, which make the pH of the soil too alkaline, which favors the overgrowth of molds and fungi.

Nope. "Alkaline" metals are actually acids; they are called "alkaline" because either a) it's an incorrect attempt for identifying "alkali" metals or b) "alkaline" metals (e.g., Na, K, Ca, Mg) predominate the chemistry of alkaline soils. BUT! High pH favors bacteria, not fungi. (This was your concept, not his, so let's move on). But "bioavailable metals in the rain" killing soil microrganisms? Ludicrous. He needs to prove this. Maybe somewhere on his website?

Oak trees he pointed out looked quite sick or dead to me.

Maybe. Again, depends on when the video was filmed. Oaks are the last to leaf out; if it was too early for the Manzanita to bloom, it may have been too early for oaks to have leaves. It would be nice to know this stuff. And, he implied that the tree was a manzanita. Forty feet tall. ??? In the next scene (4 minutes or so), he identifies a black oak leafing out in February (finally a clue of when the film was taken), and he is shocked to see dead leaves clinging to the branches from the previous fall. That's what oaks do, much to the dismay of homeowners everywhere who, thanks to oaks dropping leaves months after all other deciduous trees, get two seasons of leaf cleanup.

And as for the species of Manzanita, whether he calls that Silver Manzanita or whatever, it looks like good ole regular Manzanita to me - a hardy and drought resistant plant that is prevalent not just throughout California, but also in Arizona, New Mexico, and probably all throughout the American Southwest.

Right. But if he is pushing himself off as an expert, he needs to quit making bonehead mistakes.

OK - so you think that the whole chemtrail stuff is a bunch of baloney,

Not going there.

[GitRDun]

7. I watched the entire video

What spraying is he talking about?

Without some more data, it's hard to internalize what the problem is.

[DeSwiss]

12. From the UN Conference On Climate Change

Rosalind Peterson addresses the United Nations on September 3-5, 2007 in New York at the 60TH Annual DPI/NGO Conference on Climate Change

http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/content/about-rosalind-peterson