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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)on their school buses, as per a teacher's twitter account. This poor kid ... cops and a violent Mom. She is probably scared for him, too. Hope she sees what she looks like.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)It was 70 degrees yesterday. Why was he wearing a ski mask?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)She kept trying to rip the hood/mask off his face (along with smacking the crap out of him).
Look at what she is wearing as a reference to the weather...
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)to his dress...not to rioting. And I taught school. Look at the rest of the kids...they weren't rioting. Remember, they had no way to go home...the busses were locked down. The only angry person in that video I saw was the Mother. Sorry, IMO, she was the one out of control.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)sure that all she could think of no matter what is how close he is to the cop's guns.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)a target by doing something in a charged atmosphere that is an excuse to be shot by idiots is self preservation these days. That child might just make it to adulthood without getting gunned down for a stupid move. That I acknowledge. Unfortunately.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)
Malraiders
(444 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Most everywhere is favorable on this story. And then there is one place that isn't.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)Not the way to parent. Humiliating him in front of cameras will just alienate and anger him further. Perhaps her parenting by violence is why he joined the rioters. Sad.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)I think the cameras were the last thing on her mind.
donnasgirl
(656 posts)If that was my Child it would have been worse.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)though he may not see it now but she doesn't want him to die.
donnasgirl
(656 posts)People in this Country have forgotten what it is to bury a Child, most can say they can imagine but truly have no idea what that is like. My Grand mother buried all but one of her children and I will never forget the hurt she endured doing so and my husband also watched two of his siblings buried, there are no words to describe the hurt, so a slap on the head is a small price to pay as far as I am concerned.
pansypoo53219
(20,972 posts)LarryNM
(493 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)lifted my hand against him...never. I taught school and they did not allow teachers to hit children. They used to, but we learned how not to. It never was needed. It's training. Perhaps some family counseling.
LarryNM
(493 posts)Just that such actions seem to get favorable treatment when it is done to a "rioter".
progree
(10,901 posts)[font color = blue]>>Just that such actions seem to get favorable treatment when it is done to a "rioter".<<[/font]
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)shows a lack of self-control. Flame away. This is the same twisted logic that got us to this place.
That kid is not rioting, nor are the rest of the group. Again, these are kids that couldn't get on the freaking bus to go home or are curious about a Big Deal going on.
progree
(10,901 posts)& wearing a ski mask in 70 degree weather
[font color = blue]>>That kid is not rioting, nor are the rest of the group. Again, these are kids that couldn't get on the freaking bus to go home or are curious about a Big Deal going on.<<[/font]
True, not rioting then and there in that video clip, but didn't mean she didn't see him earlier ...
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Rock throwers violence???(rocks)??? against tanks and armored vehicles military police (Think Gaza...looked just like it) very terrible. Parents beating kids...just peachy.
Again...Parents beating children (I guarantee you that wasn't the first time) is Never Ever Ever OK. They learn from adults how to behave as adults...including police families. She would be arrested for child abuse in some places.
As to the weather...lots of the kids had long sleeved hoodies...when you leave to get on buses early in the morning, it's not 70 degrees.
I don't know whether the schools in Maryland are allowed "corporal punishment",but if so, these kids get hassled at home, at school and out of school by police...when there usually are no adults to supervise. Most schools have outlawed it for good reason. Teachers are now trained with alternative ways to discipline.
Let's go back to the top: killing innocent black men is Murder...aka Freddie Gray, et al ... Expressing fear and hatred by Throwing Rocks is wrong. Beating children...anyone...is Wrong.
progree
(10,901 posts)The films I saw of rocks being thrown at police weren't at armored vehicles.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)mask, gets beaten by mother. Straw argument. That mom lost her authority long before this incident. Wonder why.
progree
(10,901 posts)(reportedly) throwing rocks at police. So not off topic at all.
I saw a recent survey of parents, and about 70% IIRC said that corporeal punishment was sometimes necessary. So I think you are in the minority (which doesn't make you wrong).
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)do you think no one peeps or don't believe or ct when police beat people up? This isn't the first month that has happened. We wouldn't have this expose on violence if it wasn't for the cell phone.
Back in the 70s, teachers were required to report evidence of home violence or abuse of any kind. It was our duty, and not one taken lightly.
How about cops? You know, slamming people down, et al. That used to be OK too...until the cell phone...thank god it has shown us the underbelly of the Privilege of Violence.
This mother has humiliated herself and her son. The cops have outed themselves. Now, society will progress.
progree
(10,901 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)by his mother who's significantly shorter, as she tries to keep his fool ass from getting Freddie Grayed as he's rioting (throwing rocks at police counts as rioting).
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)see one kid in the "riot photos throwing rocks" dressed in a sweatshirt with a backpack on.
And if those still smacking kids upside the head, I humbly suggest there are ever so many more appropriate ways than to teach a kid that when a parent is angry...for whatever reason, it's perfectly OK to strike out in violence. They need to learn to train the kid...not in violence and hit them...but how to resolve problems...both of them.
And yes I know, many (myself included) were beaten as children at home and at school, especially my generation, it did No Good. If we turned out well, it wasn't because of the beatings/spankings, it was in spite of them. It wasn't that I didn't forgive my mother ,I did...later. But I never had a close relationship with her. I guarantee you that's what's in store in this case.
I never lifted a hand against my son...and he was ADHD...sometimes it was really, really hard not to even just "manhandle" him...you know, shake him up, push him on the couch to "listen". In the beginning sometimes I had to almost hold on my own hand, it was so ingrained, but I had made a vow never to hit him. It got easier.
We can agree to disagree. But you'll find precious little literature from professionals and child advocates in this decade, other then religious folk still using "the rod", who encourage or apologize for violent punishment. It just isn't OK anymore. The police are going to learn this, as well. Then we'll be further on the path of civilization.
progree
(10,901 posts)[font color = blue]>>especially those just watching. <<[/font]
Not sure that's true in this case.
http://news.yahoo.com/mom-why-one-baltimore-woman-disciplined-her-son-183200946.htm
[font color = blue]>>I didn't see one kid in the "riot photos throwing rocks" dressed in a sweatshirt with a backpack on.<<[/font]
I did.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/04/breaking-news-protesters-throwing-bricks-near-baltimore-mall-met-by-police-in-riot-gear-113555.html
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Tanks with turrets, full riot gear, military presence, a senselessly dead kid and another kid throws rocks. They didn't show the part about "throwing rocks...which they say they "saw". The apologists for violence here give cause to pause. How many times have we heard in the last few days, Violence Is Never the Answer. Well, except for the violence we like.
Apparently child beating doesn't fall within that category? It was justified.
progree
(10,901 posts)Unlike getting hit by a rock or a brick of the size that I've seen being thrown.
The report said the mother saw her kid throwing rocks at police. I don't know what tanks and all that have to do with it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)She needs parenting classes...they need counseling...both of them. I blame the police for the kids all being there...they would not allow them to get on their buses. Comments?
progree
(10,901 posts)progree
(10,901 posts)I assume you mean the OP's title. It says:
"Angry mother beats son for participating in Baltimore riots"
Participating in riots doesn't mean standing around waiting for the bus. Especially if that WMAR news report is correct, that she saw him throwing rocks at the police.
progree
(10,901 posts)I hadn't heard that aspect of the story before...
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)buses. Police had the buses locked down. I'll look for the quote. Funny, the media missed that little item. They missed lots of items and ginned up others. That's what they do. They share much blame in this, too. Not a peep about police brutality. Not a peet about how many charges had been brought up and "fines" paid by the City (i.e. the taxpayer)
ann---
(1,933 posts)should charged with assault. Disgusting to watch.
cstanleytech
(26,281 posts)at police?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Mother Jones...RightWingers can go to Goodle "Baltimore Teacher Tweet" if you don't like MJ.
Eyewitnesses: The Baltimore Riots Didn't Start the Way You Think
Baltimore teachers and parents tell a different story from the one you've been reading in the media.
—By Sam Brodey and Jenna McLaughlin
| Tue Apr. 28, 2015 6:00 PM EDT
Patrick Semansky/AP
After Baltimore police and a crowd of teens clashed near the Mondawmin Mall in northwest Baltimore on Monday afternoon, news reports described the violence as a riot triggered by kids who had been itching for a fight all day. But in interviews with Mother Jones and other media outlets, teachers and parents maintain that police actions inflamed a tense-but-stable situation.
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The funeral of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man who died in police custody this month, had ended hours earlier at a nearby church. According to the Baltimore Sun, a call to "purge"—a reference to the 2013 dystopian film in which all crime is made legal for one night—circulated on social media among school-aged Baltimoreans that morning. The rumored plan—which was not traced to any specific person or group—was to assemble at the Mondawmin Mall at 3:00 p.m. and proceed down Pennsylvania Avenue toward downtown Baltimore. The Baltimore police department, which was aware of the "purge" call, prepared for the worst. Shortly before noon, the department issued a statement saying it had "received credible information that members of various gangs…have entered into a partnership to 'take-out' law enforcement officers."
When school let out that afternoon, police were in the area equipped with full riot gear. According to eyewitnesses in the Mondawmin neighborhood, the police were stopping busses and forcing riders, including many students who were trying to get home, to disembark. Cops shut down the local subway stop. They also blockaded roads near the Mondawmin Mall and Frederick Douglass High School, which is across the street from the mall, and essentially corralled young people in the area. That is, they did not allow the after-school crowd to disperse.
Meghann Harris, a teacher at a nearby school, described on Facebook what happened:
Police were forcing busses to stop and unload all their passengers. Then, [Frederick Douglass High School] students, in huge herds, were trying to leave on various busses but couldn't catch any because they were all shut down. No kids were yet around except about 20, who looked like they were waiting for police to do something. The cops, on the other hand, were in full riot gear, marching toward any small social clique of students…It looked as if there were hundreds of cops.
The kids were "standing around in groups of 3-4," Harris said in a Facebook message to Mother Jones. "They weren't doing anything. No rock throwing, nothing…The cops started marching toward groups of kids who were just milling about."
A teacher at Douglass High School, who asked not to be identified, tells a similar story: "When school was winding down, many students were leaving early with their parents or of their own accord." Those who didn't depart early, she says, were stranded. Many of the students still at school at that point, she notes, wanted to get out of the area and avoid any Purge-like violence. Some were requesting rides home from teachers. But by now, it was difficult to leave the neighborhood. "I rode with another teacher home," this teacher recalls, "and we had to route our travel around the police in riot gear blocking the road… The majority of my students thought what was going to happen was stupid or were frightened at the idea. Very few seemed to want to participate in 'the purge.'"
A parent who picked up his children from a nearby elementary school, says via Twitter, "The kids stood across from the police and looked like they were asking them 'why can't we get on the buses' but the police were just gazing…Majority of those kids aren't from around that neighborhood. They NEED those buses and trains in order to get home." He continued: "If they would've let them children go home, yesterday wouldn't have even turned out like that."
Meg Gibson, another Baltimore teacher, described a similar scene to Gawker: "The riot police were already at the bus stop on the other side of the mall, turning buses that transport the students away, not allowing students to board. They were waiting for the kids.…Those kids were set up, they were treated like criminals before the first brick was thrown." With police unloading busses, and with the nearby metro station shut down, there were few ways for students to clear out.
Several eyewitnesses in the area that afternoon say that police seemed to arrive at Mondawmin anticipating mobs and violence—prior to any looting. At 3:01 p.m., the Baltimore Police Department posted on its Facebook page: "There is a group of juveniles in the area of Mondawmin Mall. Expect traffic delays in the area." But many of the kids, according to eyewitnesses, were stuck there because of police actions.
The Baltimore Police Department did not respond to requests for comment.
Around 3:30, the police reported that juveniles had begun to throw bottles and bricks. Fifteen minutes later, the police department noted that one of its officers had been injured. After that the violence escalated, and rioters started looting the Mondawmin Mall, and Baltimore was in for a long night of trouble and violence. But as the event is reviewed and investigated, an important question warrants attention: What might have happened had the police not prevented students from leaving the area? Did the department's own actions increase the chances of conflict?
As Meghann Harris put it, "if I were a Douglas student that just got trapped in the middle of a minefield BY cops without any way to get home and completely in harm's way, I'd be ready to pop off, too."
On social media, eyewitnesses chronicled the dramatic police presence before the rioting began:
Koch Ebola
(831 posts)Don't ever Slap! get involved in SLAP! Violence!!!! Slap! Slap! Unquote. I don't about you but the word, "hypocrisy" could be applicable here
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)
liberaltrucker
(9,129 posts)His street cred is shot to hell.
