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(6,002 posts)When you learn the reasons why TPP is so bad...it really is mindless to cheerlead it, or any candidate that thinks it should be.
K & R
cantbeserious
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The most troubling aspect of the TPP, asserts Ellen Brown, is the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) provision, which first appeared in a bilateral trade agreement in 1959. Brown continues:
According to The Economist, ISDS gives foreign firms a special right to apply to a secretive tribunal of highly paid corporate lawyers for compensation whenever the government passes a law that [negatively impacts] corporate profits such things as discouraging smoking, protecting the environment or preventing nuclear catastrophe.
Imagine a scenario in which the U.S., coming to its senses about climate change, imposes a revenue-neutral carbon fee on fossil energy. According to provisions of the TPP, a fossil-fuel company in a signatory nation could then sue the U.S. for lost profits, real or imagined.
The threat is not idle. In 2012, the U.S.s Occidental Petroleum received an ISDS settlement of $2.3 billion from the government of Ecuador because of that countrys apparently legal termination of an oil-concession contract. Currently, the Swedish nuclear-power utility Vattenfall is suing the German government for $4.7 billion in compensation, following Germanys phase-out of nuclear plants in the wake of Japans Fukushima disaster.
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)The high price of free trade
NAFTAs failure has cost the United States jobs across the nation
By Robert E. Scott | November 17, 2003
Since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed in 1993, the rise in the U.S. trade deficit with Canada and Mexico through 2002 has caused the displacement of production that supported 879,280 U.S. jobs. Most of those lost jobs were high-wage positions in manufacturing industries. The loss of these jobs is just the most visible tip of NAFTAs impact on the U.S. economy. In fact, NAFTA has also contributed to rising income inequality, suppressed real wages for production workers, weakened workers collective bargaining powers and ability to organize unions, and reduced fringe benefits.
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(13,580 posts)diabeticman
(3,121 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The same old lies in support, the same decline in America's working class as a result.
Obama should be ashamed to support this mess. As should ANY Democrat. If this passes on his watch, Obama's legacy will go down the drain.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)He is using the Bully Pulpit to sell all the old Clinton lies.
I'm still waiting for my high paying NAFTA job.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Ya know...he's being so fucking hardheaded and asshole like over these pacts, that it's REALLY piss'n me off!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)mother earth
(6,002 posts)years to any president for all trade agreements, no amendments, etc.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)environmental protections. Exactly what Obama is doing.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)mother earth
(6,002 posts)NAFTA Supporter Robert Reich Proud Of What Clinton Did
http://www.sfchronicle.com/movies/article/Inequality-offers-education-on-economy-4827878.php
Q: You say in the film that when you were in the Clinton administration, "We didn't do enough." Enough of what?
Reich : "We didn't do enough to reverse these underlying trends. I'm proud of what we did do, but we set out to do much more. There's a distinction between the business cycle, the natural ups and downs of the economy, on the one hand, and these underlying structural trends.
I think we in the Clinton administration managed to help facilitate a very vigorous recovery, one of the best recoveries in American history, at least postwar. But we didn't do nearly enough to reverse widening inequality. The moment the recovery was over, we were back to the same underlying trend lines, but worse."
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Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, now a UC Berkeley professor, will see his message move from the lecture hall to the big screen with "Inequality for All."
Working and middle-class Americans have a passionate advocate in Robert Reich, secretary of labor during the first Clinton administration and currently Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at UC Berkeley. He has long contended that growing income inequality is an injustice and a threat to the nation, and he makes a compelling case in a new documentary, "Inequality for All."
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)mother earth
(6,002 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)what he messed up in NAFTA.
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)According to usnews.com, the TPP will:
1) Give multinational corporations the power to force governments to retract laws that they don't like.
2) Give pharmaceutical companies longer-lasting patents for their drugs (as if their patents weren't long-lasting enough).
3) Allow tobacco companies to interfere with anti-smoking campaigns in some countries.
Do you not see a problem here?
Are you not concerned with the way in which the TPP is being "fast-tracked"? Why the hurry? Do you not see a problem here?
What about the criticisms voiced by Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Sierra Club, the NRDC, and the World Wildlife Fund? Do you not see a problem here?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)patents. Besides, in many poor countries brand name drugs are cheaper than generics here.
I would like to see separate US legislation that defines how much a company can charge on meds after they recoup reasonable research costs. But that is for other legislation, not a trade agreement.
Read up on the tribunals that have been used in over 2500 trade agreements since 1959. If they were as you say, why would any country's government accept them?
Phillip Morris has tried what you allege in 3. They've gotten nowhere in at least 4 years and won't. The anti-smoking campaigns are still in full effect, and working.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)redruddyred
(1,615 posts)could reich's recent activism be due to... guilt?