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(70,490 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)Botany
(70,490 posts)Yes. I have done election protection work. Bottom line is that there are more
Ds then Rs so the republicans have to cheat, suppress the vote, and gerrymander
to stay in power in many cases.
Both of Scott Walker's last "wins" .... the recall and the general did not pass
my smell test and neither did Brownback's win in Kansas.
And don't get me started w/those damn electronic machines
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026464038
midnight
(26,624 posts)I find it so surprising when people say that Wisconsin people voted scott walker in and how could we all be so uninformed or something like that.
dhol82
(9,352 posts)just didn't realize the extent.
Not sure how to get the country back. Seems like the dark forces are deeply entrenched.
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)25 min of pure information about our lousy voting system. I'm abroad so unfortunately, I vote absentee and not even from my 'home' state. I lived elsewhere before I left so I can't even vote in the state I lived the longest in, I have to vote in a state I lived the shortest in. I doubt my vote even counted last fall.
Except for the living abroad part.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)All citizens 18 and over, felon or not.
midnight
(26,624 posts)Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)A mere tip of the iceberg as far as voter suppression and election fraud go.
http://www.gregpalast.com/floridas-flawed-voter-cleansing-program-saloncoms-politics-story-of-the-year/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024301472
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Seems like the Dem party always ignore these evil schemes and the frigging GOP gets away with it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)The "Voter I.D. Bill" overturn was delayed in action by DOJ which could have changed results of 2014 election that Senator Kay Hagan (Dem) lost re-election. It suit was filed in ample time but not given priority.
The other lawsuits on Voting Rights, Access to Voting, Voting Discrimination. Redistricting/Gerrymandering... are sponsored by the groups: Common Cause, League of Women Voters, ACLU, NAACP, Southern Poverty Law Center.
Here's hoping we get action on these in time to prepare for 2016 vote. Because, voting in America is every bit as bad as Greg and Brad pointed out.
We thought Election 2000 would be the start of good things for Voting Rights when the corruption in Florida and elsewhere was discovered when the voting machines turned out to be faulty in so many states. Voting rights groups fought hard to try to get the worst of the machines out of commission and introduce a paper ballot that could be verified even if a voting machine malfunctioned or was corrupted.
But, there are still problems in many states and people lost interest when Obama was overwhelmingly elected because they felt the voting system must be working just fine. However, in local elections (Midterms) where there's smaller turnout the voter suppression and lack of adequate number of polling places, machines and restrictions on voters by laws the Republicans managed to ram through can have a devastating effect....which we saw in 2014 when Republicans swept the House and Senate.
So....gotta keep working on this.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)good to know!
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)The "Voter I.D. Bill" overturn was delayed in action by DOJ which could have changed results of 2014 election that Senator Kay Hagan (Dem) lost re-election. It(s) suit was filed in ample time but not given priority. (my emphasis)
Instead the DOJ is going after international soccer corruption, and investigating the leading leftist in the Venezuela National Assembly (accusing him of drug trafficking). But they don't have time for vote suppression here.**
Interesting, huh?
...people lost interest when Obama was overwhelmingly elected because they felt the voting system must be working just fine. (my emphasis)
Yup--though I think the demise of the election integrity movement happened a bit earlier, circa 2006, when the Dems were permitted to temporarily take over Congress. In my view, that was the result of an internal war between the CIA and Cheney-Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld was forced out; Cheney was curtailed (re: nuking Iran) for the remainder of the Bush Junta. The Fitzgerald prosecution of Cheney for outing the CIA's WMD counter-proliferation project was made to go away. And the e-voting system--which was started by the far rightwing Urosevich brothers (ES&S/Diebold) and their funders such as 'christian' nutball billionaire Howard Ahmanson--was appropriated by whoever is in charge now (some deep CIA/MIC cabal) and cemented into place, probably beyond our reach. And what we're getting now is some compromises among these allies, with the far right steadily gaining ground as a means of protecting the MIC from popular outrage and reform.
Obama was, indeed, elected--and by a greater margin than we know--but he was never the icon of change and reform that the voters so longed for. For one thing, he compromised going in, agreeing not to prosecute, or even investigate, Cheney-Rumsfeld war crimes. ("We need to look forward not backward," um, on the crimes of the rich and powerful.) He wasn't elected overwhelmingly (on the surface). His margin was curtailed, as a hobble on any reformist tendencies that he may have had. And, further--and crucially--he was permitted to be elected, as was the briefly Dem-controlled '06 Congress, and THAT is the problem. The people of this country have lost control of our vote counting. It has been privatized and is now done with 'TRADE SECRET' code with virtually no auditing of the results. But it's pretty obvious that somebody controls it, and I think my guess is a pretty good one.
With this power, of putting outright nutballs into office, the controlling cabal ensures that OTHER forms of voter suppression will occur, and that, whatever may happen to the e-rigging system, the true majority in the country will not gain control of its government any time soon. Plenty of time to put many other controls into place, including many voter suppression laws, billionaire control of election information, militarized police, NSA monitoring of all citizens, Patriot Act invasiveness, mass incarceration of the poor (with loss of voting rights) by means of the "war on drugs," and so forth. So, if our people get smart and decide to hold a REAL 'Boston Tea Party' and throw these election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' (so to speak), the majority will still have great difficulty getting real reformers into office.
But the real "Boston Tea Party" is not likely to happen now. You are right, in essence, that Obama being permitted to be elected smashed the election integrity movement. It has been a great shock to me--or was back in 2004, when I first found out--that the leaders of my party (I am a lifelong Democrat) almost all voted in favor of e-voting with no controls whatsoever on the private entities who 'count' our votes, and Democratic as well as Puke election officials and state legislators across the land got suckered or bribed into installing these election theft systems.
I think we need to look at this from the other end of the telescope. We should get beyond 'this can't be possible' to, 'how WAS it possible?' Because it DID occur (and is occurring)--our Dem leaders totally selling us out on the most fundamental requirement of democracy: vote counting IN THE PUBLIC VENUE. Why would Dems do this?
They DID it. WHY?
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**(Ironically, Venezuela has the best election system in the world--the most honest and aboveboard--according to Jimmy Carter--and according to my own research into the details. While the horrors of our election system go untouched, the DOJ and the CIA are trying to bring down elected leftists in other countries.)
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(50,983 posts)drynberg
(1,648 posts)Don't look like they are going to do squat about this terrible situation...perhaps we Progressives need to hold their tootsies to the flames of truth and maybe these dems will get moving...
chapdrum
(930 posts)When I suggest this, most look at me like I'm nutty.
I tell them: Don't take my word for it; their actions speak for themselves, don't they?
Surprising to me how many don't see this and, even more so, how many do not care.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)fasttense
(17,301 posts)Why did they try so hard to purge voters? The answer is obvious. They use every con, scam and rigging to ensure their win. And even with those uderhanded methods, Obama won. But you can bet they have gotten a lot better at it since the idiot bush was selected by the Supreme Court.
If voting wasn't so important than why do RepubliCONS try so hard to rig it?
Soon anyone who voted Democratic will be the target of a purge. Because successfulen criminals don't stop their illegal activities just because we notice them.
Caspian Morgan
(85 posts)on the election theft in 2000. Great guy. He was right about it all.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)A Wichita State University mathematician sued the top Kansas election official Wednesday, seeking paper tapes from electronic voting machines in an effort to explain statistical anomalies favoring Republicans in counts coming from large precincts across the country.
Beth Clarkson, chief statistician for the universitys National Institute for Aviation Research, filed the open records lawsuit in Sedgwick County District Court as part of her personal quest to find the answer to an unexplained pattern that transcends elections and states. The lawsuit was amended Wednesday to name Secretary of State Kris Kobach and Sedgwick County Elections Commissioner Tabitha Lehman.
While it is well-recognized that smaller, rural precincts tend to lean Republican, statisticians have been unable to explain the consistent pattern favoring Republicans that trends upward as the number of votes cast in a precinct or other voting unit goes up. In primaries, the favored candidate appears to always be the Republican establishment candidate, above a tea party challenger. And the upward trend for Republicans occurs once a voting unit reaches roughly 500 votes.
This is not just an anomaly that occurred in one place, Clarkson said. It is a pattern that has occurred repeatedly in elections across the United States.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article17139890.html#storylink=cpy
It stinks. Big time.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article17139890.html#storylink=cpy