Michael Moore's New Movie

[lame54]

[AuntPatsy]

1. Kicking

[randys1]

2. Of course RT loves this. Hey, I am a huge fan of Moore and have and will defend him

endlessly.

But he will be used by the biggest criminal on the planet, Putin.

[cascadiance]

4. Putin might not be a good guy, but RT can't real fail if their "propaganda" is the truth...

... when the truth is what has people upset with our government now!

That's why RT has Thom Hartmann on his show with no attempts to control his content. They know that Hartmann calls out our government officials when we are doing the wrong thing, and that people will listen to him. He doesn't have to have some other person give us propaganda which would be a lot less effective. I look at a lot of the rest of RT's shows with a grain of salt, but those like Thom Hartmann and Michael Moore, I'll watch and look for more truth than I'll ever get from the corporate media.

Moore has been very effective with the truth in many of his other films that have challenged our government's policies, and rightly so. RT is smart if they give him air time, when the corporate media propaganda sink of our own doesn't want to give us the truth on so many issues when it works against the agenda of their owners.

[greiner3]

6. If this story didn't fit RT's interests it would not have been shown'

Much less broadcast.

Be that as it may, I'm a little bit smarter for having watched it as I did not get any of this info anywhere else.

[bvar22]

8. I have more faith in RT than I have in ANY US Broadcasts these days.

You should at least watch some of it for a viewpoint that differs from the standard, Corporate, American Exceptionalism, pablum you are being fed every day.


I frequently reflect on the irony that in past years, the Soviet Union and Pravda were complete propaganda.
Today, it seems the roles are reversed.

[cascadiance]

12. So, why don't you come up with a show that RT censored of Thom Hartmann's?

Or are you saying that he NEVER criticizes Russia to comply with Putin's wishes?

Like I said, RT isn't STUPID! They know if they even try or even hint to try and censor his show or try to control it, it will likely lose him as a broadcast, and he wouldn't want to lose any of his viewers doing so either.

They know that Hartmann does enough of criticizing our government in all the right places to give it a bad image when it DESERVES it, and if Putin and Russia want to have that happen, the best approach is to just let Thom Hartmann do and say what he wants and not touch his show content-wise. They try to censor it themselves then they stop having him give a deserved black eye, and they just lose out themselves in the process. It's not too hard to figure out.

Now if we had a decent government that wasn't prone to corporate corruption like ours is now in a deep fashion, perhaps then RT might try to play more games, as they might have a hard time doing propaganda on us then, if the truth didn't hurt Americans' image of this country at all.

[raindaddy]

11. Who else is supposed to carry the story, MSNBC?

And isn't that's what they said about Snowden?

The American taxpayer is funding a military budget that more than the rest of the world combined. All while working longer hours for less money in a rotting infrastructure.. Who's REALLY being used???

[randys1]

17. We are as is anyone who Putin can use in his propaganda. I am all for Moore's movie and cant wait

to see it, I am just saddened that the fuckwit murdering prick asshole Putin gets to use it for propaganda.

[raindaddy]

22. If Moore's film is a documentary exposing the "truth" then is it really propaganda?

The film will be shown in public anyway... Not a fan of Putin either... Don't forget an RT reporter walked off the set over because she felt they were being to soft on Putin.. Ever see that happen on US corporate propaganda news?

[randys1]

41. Sigh, NO did not say his film is propaganda, but that the film is being used by the biggest criminal

on the planet as propaganda to attack the USA

The USA is guilty of whatever, and Moore is an American hero and I defend him all the time, and I am sure the movie is 100% accurate

Still, I HATE seeing Thom Hartmann on RT and I hate seeing them use this.

A lot of Americans, in their zeal to hate W and Cheney and CIA and so on, all deserved, have somehow missed the gigantic bastard and murderer Putin is.

Someone start a thread and ask people what they think of him, I am curious.

[raindaddy]

44. No one likes Putin randys...

Personally I'm more interested in cleaning up our own mess and not as bothered as you seem to be about Putin benefiting from the exposure of OUR corruption...

[randys1]

46. Yeah, I dont know. It is easy if you dont really know or care much about what he does

and has done, I guess, to just point fingers only at your own house. I guess I wont say that applies to you or anyone here but the attitude I am seeing is surprising given what I assume you must all know.

I see apologists here on DU for Putin. I am not pointing fingers, but that is what I am seeing.

And I would not apologize for that motherfucker anymore than I would for Reagan, the worst American president and most destructive one of all time or for W, 2nd place in that category.

I would like to see W and Cheney and Blair AND Putin in prison.

I would like Michael Moore to receive some sort of official award or designation of heroism from the American government.

He is more heroic and valuable to our country (hate countries, hate imaginary lines in the dirt that people die over) than any 500 cons put together or 100 liberals, for that matter.


BTW this is not about me worrying about communism or something stupid like that. I just know what a criminal he is and given the power he has it is a big issue.

[raindaddy]

47. I think we're basically on the same page....

There's nothing you've stated that I disagree with.
RT promoting Moore's film, whether it might help Putin or not in the bigger picture we're just slicing hairs my friend...

[randys1]

49. Thanks, I love it when we agree. There is so much strife, argument, even in our

personal lives, that when we can we have to come together, as John said.

Saw Paul and Wings live at the Cow Palace on the "Wings Over America" tour.

Stood about 30 feet from him, if memory serves.

[MattSh]

26. If the USA would stop doing stupid fuckwit things...

There'd be no material for Putin to use, would there?

No stupid fuckwit acts commited; no associated propaganda to use.

The answer then is for the USA to get their shit together. Putin isn't forcing the USA to do stupid shit.

[Hissyspit]

36. So what? You could say the same thing for "Fahrenheit 9/11."

We shouldn't have let Bush become President. Not Michael Moore's gawdam fault.

[randys1]

40. What does THAT have to do with RT and Putin using his movie as propaganda?

There isnt a bigger fan of Moore here, BTW

I have in the past spent weeks at a time doing nothing but defending him when others allege that he misleads and lies, which he has never done.

[LiberalLovinLug]

16. What is this obsession with RT being only a propaganda arm of Putin?

OF COURSE the RT stations outside of Russia hire activist hosts that are critical of the US oligarchy and all the implications that feed from that. Of COURSE you will hear stories that make those in power in the USA uncomfortable. That is enough for Putin. Putin is smart enough to just allow left leaning journalists free reign knowing they will come across as more legitimate if they actually are free to speak to any issue (on America). And OF COURSE they do not balance it with equal bashing of the Russian oligarchy. But so what..as long as the information is truthful and are stories we wouldn't get on American networks that know their access to the Whitehouse can be pulled any time.

If you want to hear about how bad Putin is, there are plenty of avenues for that..every night on American TV news. Abby Martin was, for years, dismissed as an arm of Putin for the same reasons. Her show was awesome and packed with good information. Its hilarious how now that Thom Hartmann has a show how much more deference he is given.

If anyone criticizes Thom or Abby and says they are just an arm of Putin, then I would hope they also "take with a grain of salt" Rachel Maddow and the rest of the people on General Electric's MSNBC. GE, one of, if not the largest, MIC arms producers on the planet.

[randys1]

18. Didnt say that is all they are, i just hate see them use this great American hero's work for their

own propaganda.

[MattSh]

27. It's easier than thinking?

Hey, the State Department, the CIA, and the mainstream media all say it's true. And they wouldn't lie to use now would they?

<--- for the sarcastically challenged

[KoKo]

37. ....!

[Admiral Loinpresser]

32. The biggest criminals on the planet live in Wichita, KS.

Their last name is Koch and they are a far greater threat to world peace than Putin.

[randys1]

39. Nah, not to peace, they are the greatest threat to your economics, I agree.

I despise the Koch's beyond the definition of the word and believe they are terrorists and their actions kill people.

But, I think Putin is a greater threat to actual annihilation of the human race.

As are some folks in the ME...and to be fair some folks in the USA

But I will NEVER be a Putin apologist or supporter in anyway and anyone who is , well, they are very confused

[Admiral Loinpresser]

50. Putin is terrible, of course.

But the Koch brothers are congressional puppet masters for perpetual war.

[2banon]

42. "Putin is the biggest criminal on the planet" . really?

that's a bit of stretch.

lordy, lordy, me thinks you need to read a bit more of recent world history.

[randys1]

43. Wait, you cant ridicule my comment but make no correction, who is then?

[2banon]

45. Seriously? You need a list or something?

Apart from several different regimes in various countries within the African Continent, and other parts of the world which is not often given the deserved attention where human atrocities have been taken place, does one need to be reminded of the atrocities administered by the Bush/Cheney administration? Though they've been "out of power" for almost a decade, their evil policies continue. If you're older than 10 years old, you should know this. So, please.

[Dont call me Shirley]

3. Another Oscar for Michael? We'll see.

[Human101948]

5. Are Americans finally ready to reject the perpetual war of the MIC?

The military industrial complex has kept us continuously involved in war crimes since the close of WWII. Are Americans finally getting wise?

[d_legendary1]

7. Not as long as the MSM keeps putting ISIS as their top story

and the talking heads raving about the what if's scenarios of them coming here. I've got family members that think ISIS is a bigger threat than Trump.

[Fred Sanders]

9. Have to keep the FEAR alive and burning hot to justify the waste of a trillion dollars a year.

If not ISIS it will just be another group or nation to gin up the terror.....American media are also terrorists, these other groups mentioned are the fodder the media uses to the fan the flames of fear.

[Enthusiast]

10. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

End this fucking perpetual war!

[99th_Monkey]

13. K&R -nt-

[KoKo]

14. Can't Wait to View It!

[sorechasm]

21. Me too!

Fahrenheit 911, Bowling for Columbine, Capitolism a Love Story, SiCKO, the guy has quite a knack for striking you in the heart and making you laugh at the same time. Making you believe that no matter how horrible the news, there's a heartfelt lesson to learn here.

Does the Pentagon have a heart? If so, Michael Moore will find it.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

15. One word:

YAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

[Leith]

19. I Will Be Sure to See It

I've been a Michael Moore fan since Roger & Me. I was in Flint, MI, when it was being filmed and I knew a couple people in it (Dan the Taco Bell manager and Deputy Fred). I first heard of him when he got elected to the school board in Davison, MI, and later when he ran a counterculture newspaper. He has a calling to be proud of.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. Even Bernie says we should have the most powerful military in the world.

[mhatrw]

24. The US could cut its military spending in half and still

have the most powerful military in the world.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. The military is our jobs program....

For some, it's the only way to get out of their Podunk town.

[mhatrw]

28. Couldn't we fix our schools, sewers and national parks instead?

Couldn't we put the same people to work converting public buildings to renewable energy sources?

The only difference is that our billionaire merchants of death would get cut out of the deal a bit. And they can't have that.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

29. That stuff doesn't give right wingers a wargasm.

[SoapBox]

38. Wargasm!

Oh ya!

[Maedhros]

52. Just because:

[Scuba]

30. /\_/\_This_/\_/\

[lame54]

51. how about a large peace corp...

Where college students could work off their student loans by serving
It doesn't all have to be about training to kill

[Spitfire of ATJ]

53. That's a more practical solution for a restless teen who wants to get out of their rural community.

[lame54]

54. a large part of the military budget could be used for this...

part for college students
part for kids who feel the military is their only option
this way they would get a choice and we could do some actual good in the world and not just defend oil interest

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. Always thought we should be known throughout Africa for providing these....

Instead of these.....

[lame54]

56. I like it

[MrMickeysMom]

23. This will be one of the few movies we'll see THIS year...

You can count on it!

[ctsnowman]

31. X2

[saidsimplesimon]

33. michaelmoore.com does not mention this film?

RT is a propaganda tool, as is all of Russian media under Putin. For example, you can google or search youtube, a few weeks ago or so RT ran a video of a "reported" Afgan translator, with blue eyes, stuck in Calais trying to cross into England with the help of his British handler. The last RT report on the topic said the Afgan translator had been shot and killed in Calais.

Did the RT reporting result in an assassin's bullet?

[Hissyspit]

35. It was mentioned on the website a while back. The Tweet is still there, but here's an interview:

http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/flint/index.ssf/2015/07/michael_moore_says_new_film_wh.html

Michael Moore's new film -- kept under wraps until Tuesday, July 28 -- will get its world premiere at the Toronto International Film Festival next month.

The Flint native said in a Twitter message that "Where to Invade Next" was selected as a special festival presentation.

[Jimvanhise]

34. Will It Be Seen?

Hollywood has apparently learned how to marginalize Michael Moore. His 2009 film Capitalism A Love Story was barely released, grossing only $14 million and played very few theaters. Its opening weekend gross was $230,000.

[valerief]

48. Woo hoo! Looking forward to seeing this. I only hope if/when it's released in

theaters, we don't have another *typical U.S. incident*.