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Triana

(22,666 posts)
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:50 PM Sep 2015

Bill Nye: Can We Stop Telling Women What to Do With Their Bodies?



Published on Sep 22, 2015
The Science Guy argues that most anti-abortion legislation is derived from outdated beliefs that predate smart science by fifty centuries.

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Transcript - Many, many, many, many more hundreds of eggs are fertilized than become humans. Eggs get fertilized and by that I mean sperm get accepted by ova a lot. But that’s not all you need. You have to attach to the uterine wall, the inside of a womb, a woman’s womb. But if you’re going to hold that as a standard, that is to say if you’re going to say when an egg is fertilized it’s therefore has the same rights as an individual, then whom are you going to sue? Whom are you going to imprison? Every woman who’s had a fertilized egg pass through her? Every guy who’s sperm has fertilized an egg and then it didn’t become a human? Have all these people failed you? It’s just a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding and you literally or apparently literally don’t know what you’re talking about. And so when it comes to women’s right with respect to their reproduction, I think you should leave it to women. This is really – you cannot help but notice. I’m not the first guy to observe this, you have a lot of men of European descent passing these extraordinary laws based on ignorance. Sorry you guys. I know it was written or your interpretation of a book written 5,000 years ago, 50 centuries ago, makes you think that when a man and a woman have sexual intercourse they always have a baby. That’s wrong and so to pass laws based on that belief is inconsistent with nature. I mean it’s hard not to get frustrated with this everybody. And I know nobody likes abortion, okay. But you can’t tell somebody what to do. I mean she has rights over this, especially if she doesn’t like the guy that got her pregnant. She doesn’t want anything to do with your genes, get over it, especially if she were raped and all this. So it’s very frustrating on the outside, on the other side. We have so many more important things to be dealing with. We have so many more problems to squander resources on this argument based on bad science, on just lack of understanding.

It’s very frustrating. You wouldn’t know how big a human egg was if it weren’t for microscopes, if it weren’t for scientists, medical researchers looking diligently. You wouldn’t know the process. You wouldn’t have that shot, the famous shot or shots where the sperm are bumping up against the egg. You wouldn’t have that without science. So then to claim that you know the next step when you obviously don’t is trouble. Let me do that again. Let me just pull back. At some point we have to respect the facts. Recommending or insisting on abstinence has been completely ineffective. Just being objective here. Closing abortion clinics. Closing, not giving women access to birth control has not been an effective way to lead to healthier societies. I mean I think we all know that. And I understand that you have deeply held beliefs and it really is ultimately out of respect for people, in this case your perception of unborn people. I understand that. But I really encourage you to look at the facts. And I know people are now critical of the expression fact based but what’s wrong with that? So I just really encourage you to not tell women what to do and not pursue these laws that really are in nobody’s best interest. Just really be objective about this. We have other problems to solve everybody. Come on. Come on. Let’s work together.

Directed / Produced by Jonathan Fowler, Elizabeth Rodd, and Aaron Lehmann
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Bill Nye: Can We Stop Telling Women What to Do With Their Bodies? (Original Post) Triana Sep 2015 OP
Yes! shenmue Sep 2015 #1
I don't see a human fetus as being a human organ Joe Turner Sep 2015 #2
The issue has never been the "right-to-life" versus the "right to choose." love_katz Sep 2015 #4
Thanks but I see it is as right to life vs right to kill Joe Turner Sep 2015 #6
So women who terminate their pregnancies are murderers? Laffy Kat Sep 2015 #7
Stinky bait... haikugal Sep 2015 #9
OK. Laffy Kat Sep 2015 #12
No not murders Joe Turner Sep 2015 #17
"...what the hell do you call scraping life out of a womb?" dougolat Sep 2015 #15
Thank you... haikugal Sep 2015 #18
You left out the biggest reason Joe Turner Sep 2015 #21
Just like they sympathize with Westborough Baptist "Church" dougolat Sep 2015 #22
Your read on this is delusional Joe Turner Sep 2015 #23
At least I'm not sticking my nose where it don't belong! dougolat Sep 2015 #24
Forcing a woman to endure pregnancy and childbirth against her will is immoral. Qutzupalotl Sep 2015 #20
Those books written 50 centuries ago Dawson Leery Sep 2015 #3
And, thank you, Triana, for posting this. love_katz Sep 2015 #5
The anti-choice person really doesn't want to control abortion. They just want to control. PSPS Sep 2015 #8
^^ handmade34 Sep 2015 #13
They want to dictate what a woman can choose Plucketeer Sep 2015 #19
Thanks Triana...K&R haikugal Sep 2015 #10
is misogyny just massive womb envy? pansypoo53219 Sep 2015 #11
thank you Triana handmade34 Sep 2015 #14
And, he makes the perfect point about this… K&R MrMickeysMom Sep 2015 #16
 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
2. I don't see a human fetus as being a human organ
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:02 AM
Sep 2015

So the "don't tell what a women what she can do with her body" is a null and void argument. Make the guy pay even after he's broke and up to his ears in debt, help the mother out with financial assistance, put the baby up for adoption...but don't kill the fetus. I just don't get why this issue keeps on coming up in political circles when *morally* it's obvious the pro-life side is right.

love_katz

(2,578 posts)
4. The issue has never been the "right-to-life" versus the "right to choose."
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:23 AM
Sep 2015

The issue, the real issue, is that some people believe they should be able to FORCE other people to goose-step to their particular religious beliefs. These same people view women as not human, as nothing other than an incubator, with no rights to even her own body.

All this so-called 'right to life' crap is really about controlling and tyrannizing women. We have a heartbeat, and are living, breathing HUMAN beings. We are not empty vessels, mere containers for other people to control.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
6. Thanks but I see it is as right to life vs right to kill
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:37 AM
Sep 2015

It's a sense of morality on this issue. If you think this is tyrannizing women just what the hell do you call scraping life out of a womb?

Laffy Kat

(16,376 posts)
7. So women who terminate their pregnancies are murderers?
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 01:13 AM
Sep 2015

What about girls/women who are victims of incest and/or rape? If "scraping a life out of a womb" is killing, does it make a difference to you how that so called "life" was conceived?

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
17. No not murders
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:37 AM
Sep 2015

Just people making a bad moral decision. I agree there are some acceptable reasons for pregnancy termination. Of course most abortions have nothing to do with rape or incest. It has to do with the inconvenience of being pregnant and the responsibility of raising a child. I feel that is wrong.

dougolat

(716 posts)
15. "...what the hell do you call scraping life out of a womb?"
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:09 AM
Sep 2015

sometimes it's saving the life of a woman
sometimes it's preserving the health of a girl too young for pregnancy
sometimes it's keeping a family below the poverty line from falling below the survival line
sometimes it's unhealthy people with unhealthy diets and living in unhealthy places being unable to have a healthy, viable baby

But every time, I call it "Her business", not mine (or yours)


And morality! Since it's a scraping procedure, indicating early pregnancy, where is the morality in making actual human beings suffer for the somewhat ignorant, somewhat self-righteous reverence for a fertilized egg that is only a potentiality and hope? If capable of receiving constant nurture and care and protection for, ideally, 270 days (no small task, 52 weeks, 5 days per week, no vacation and no holidays is 260 days) that fertilized egg just MAY perform the feat of an entire, successful gestation, but there's no guarantee, except a negative one if any one of a myriad factors go wrong.
It's like you're expecting a touchdown at every forward pass. Such things can not be demanded, or legislated.

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
21. You left out the biggest reason
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:49 PM
Sep 2015

Most of the time it is just an inconvenient pregnancy. And you can rationalize it all you want that it is really this or that when there is no good excuse not to carry the baby to term and if it really is impossible for whatever reason to raise the child put the baby up for adoption. This issue is going to keep on being a drag for the democratic party because most people sympathize with the pro-life movement.

dougolat

(716 posts)
22. Just like they sympathize with Westborough Baptist "Church"
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 02:43 PM
Sep 2015

(but you need to change "most people" to "most authoritarian creeps, Fox bubble-heads, Alex Jones maniacs, KKK throwbacks and clinic bombers and doctor killers&quot

One man's inconvenience can be a woman's degrading tragedy.

Qutzupalotl

(14,300 posts)
20. Forcing a woman to endure pregnancy and childbirth against her will is immoral.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:44 AM
Sep 2015

That is what "telling a woman what to do with her body" amounts to. It completely ignores the rights of the mother, who is definitely a living, breathing, independent human being.

If the American Taliban have their way, and outlaw abortion (or institute a 9-month waiting period), women in tough situations will die in unsafe medical procedures in unsanitary conditions.

A society that does not respect women is not a moral society.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
3. Those books written 50 centuries ago
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 12:16 AM
Sep 2015

were written by ignorant people. We have come a far way. We need to move beyond bronze age voodoo.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
19. They want to dictate what a woman can choose
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 11:19 AM
Sep 2015

because they worry about their "maker" pointing out that they didn't do their part to assure the flow of souls thru the gamut of life. Each conception is a chance for a new being(s) to glorify God. Not actively doing one's part to make that happen reflects badly on us and keeps us from Heaven in the end.
It's NOT so much about the child or even the mother - it's selfishly about the protesters own redemption. Defend it if you must, but religion is just determined ignorance.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
16. And, he makes the perfect point about this… K&R
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 09:17 AM
Sep 2015

Ignorance in America at the highest level of legislative office CONTRADICTS its argument, and Nye nailed it -

Every guy who’s sperm has fertilized an egg and then it didn’t become a human? Have all these people failed you? It’s just a reflection of a deep scientific lack of understanding and you literally or apparently literally don’t know what you’re talking about.


We have a legislative branch of government run amuck with its priorities backwards, taking us further backwards because they literally don't know WHAT THE FUCK they are talking about!


And, who suffers in society?
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