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Peter Schiff at Jackson Hole Summit: The Monetary Roach Motel (Original Post) EEO Sep 2015 OP
an interesting review tomm2thumbs Sep 2015 #1
No video for me. Do you have a link? JDPriestly Sep 2015 #2
I wish, wish, wish, wish, wish that I didn't agree with him. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #3
The way I see it, the rich have been redistributing wealth for over 30 years. EEO Sep 2015 #4
I fear you are right. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #5
Schiff is a libertarian crystal dawn Sep 2015 #6

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
2. No video for me. Do you have a link?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:14 PM
Sep 2015

But, I will say that oil prices are the foundation of our oil-dependent economy. They are low right now because that's the way the commodity traders have set them.

But they can go up, and they probably will go up. And probably just in time to cause a downturn, a serious one before or around the time of the 2016 election.

I'm not saying it is a plot against Hillary. Raising the cost of oil --- quite reasonable really. Timing an adjustment in an overpriced and very rigged stock market (my opinion I admit) to influence an election is one possible factor in the likely downturn.

BUT, the fact is that the recovery from the 2008 recession has not been strong.

Anecdotal evidence: Yesterday, I took a walk in a very nice shopping area in town. It's a public street. Within a block and a half, I saw 4 homeless beggars, three of whom were under thirty. One was a woman. Now, unless it was some kind of class experiment to see which of the four beggars would attract the most generous donors (one had a dog; one was African-American; one was a young woman; one was a young, white male), four homeless people, three under thirty, the fourth definitely under 40 within a block and a half of a busy street is a sign of a bad economy. Our recovery is not good enough.

In the 1930s, the recession did a double-dip. A similar scenario may be part of the process now.

The Republicans may be not entirely excited about preventing the dip. They are very intent on revenge and may think that a recession at the end of Obama's term would even things out for the recession (which Democrats had nothing to do with) at the end of Bush II's term. It's a crazy thought, but then Republicans? Since when do they even try to think rationally?

The smart investors know how to make money on a downturn, so they would not be overly worried about staging one or more likely allowing one to happen if they are savvy. It's all the 401(K) money and the people in the job market that would be in the greatest financial danger. Most of the rich would just get richer.

But a dip in the economy would seriously hurt Hillary's campaign because in terms of her reputation, she is tied to Wall Street. And it would shut down a campaign by Biden.

Bernie, however, is another matter. He is running on an ANTI-WALL STREET, the game is rigged platform.

Hey, you guys on Wall Street. You want to help Bernie???? Just signal another downturn in the markets right about now scheduled to be felt between now and around election time in 2016.

I don't want to see that because I don't want to see people lose their hard-earned savings in your rigged markets.

But, BRING IT ON! Bernie is ready for you.

We Democrats have got our bases covered.

Cleaning up the stock market. Another reason to vote for Bernie.

An economic downturn should be the last thing you rich guys want. We know the game is rigged. You don't have to prove it to us right now. And if you do, you may regret it.

Feel the Bern! Feel the Bern on Wall Street!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. I wish, wish, wish, wish, wish that I didn't agree with him.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 07:00 PM
Sep 2015

Finally got to actually watch the video. And I agree with Peter Schiff about the current state of the economy. Like I said, I watch homelessness. I see it everywhere. I'm kind of tuned into it. It's going from bad to worse and worse. And now it's not just older people but very young people who are on the streets looking so ashamed as they put their hands out. I feel so sorry for them. Some may be a bit crazy. Some may be on drugs, but they are people and in a better economy, their lives and their work would have some value and if there were no place for them in the working world, there would be help. But not now.

I am not as knowledgeable as he is, but I see the same problems -- and I recognized the boom as it was happening first in 1996-97 and as the housing boom during the Bush years built up.

I didn't think we ever really recovered fully from the dot.com crash.

But then, I had a view from the bottom up of the economy, from individuals' balance sheets, not the corporate balance sheets, from the paycheck stubs and the credit card statements of working people, not from the skyscrapers on Wall Street down.

And on top of that, I worked for a project to help homeless people. And the numbers of them at least since the late 1980s is a dead giveaway that the economy is not working for a lot of people.

Peter Schiff will probably disagree with me on this, but one of the reasons I support Bernie is that when the economy does crash, when interest rates finally rise and prices rise before or after that commensurately, I'm going to care about ordinary people, those kids who don't have jobs, the elderly who have no savings and can't earn enough to pay property taxes and buy food even when they do work. I'm going to care about people who are sick and suffering.

My tough luck. That's the way I was raised.

And Bernie is the only candidate, the only person with a big microphone in front of him who also really cares and who also somehow instinctively understands that our economy is a sham, that we cannot at this time afford another trade bill, that our military needs to be strong but to achieve that strength we have to make tough decisions about where the money goes and right now, nobody knows . . . . I could go on and on.

My priority is taking care of ordinary American people.

Wall Street got us into this mess. Wall Street, Greenspan, trickle down economics.

Peter Schiff talks about the problems with addiction. Well first we need to get rid of our addiction to oil and gas and coal. They are creating problems not just in the environment but in our economy. Then we need to have an honest accounting. That means breaking up the too-big-too-fail banks, and we need to take money from the rich and give it to the middle class and poor in America.

I know that suggesting redistributing wealth is considered to be subversive in America. But how else do you regain some semblance of balance in an economy as out of whack as ours without setting the stage for hunger, death and the violence those things ultimately mean.

Look at Syria. On Thom Hartmann today, I finally learned what really happened there. They had a drought. The farmers could not work their land and produce enough food to eat so they migrated to the city. In the city, they wanted food. They demonstrated for food, and Assad shot them for demonstrating. I may be the last person on earth to know that is what happened in Syria. Of course, there was a revolt. Unfortunately but not at all surprisingly to me, it was accompanied by an epidemic of extreme fundamentalism. Some fundamentalists are very rich, and some middle class, but in my experience the base in the fundamentalist movements regardless of religion are the poor and suffering who blame themselves and others for their predicament and have no one to turn to for help but whatever their ideas about God are. Of course, they are fundamentalists. Just like the right-wing Republican base in the US. All victims of life's worst injustices. All poor. All fundamentalists. And they do love their bigoted and very greedy Republican "leadership."

This speech is very, very depressing.

If our economy crashes in the next ten months, Bernie is going to be viewed as THE HOPE. I hope he is. He is a wise man. He will not be able to prevent the economic problems we are headed toward, but he will be able to respond to them in a just way.

Feel the Bern! And after that speech with its dismal prediction, I'm going to campaign for Bernie harder than ever.

At least Peter Schiff is telling the truth.

I have been saying here that as long as the interest rates are low it means our economy has not recovered. We see through the glass darkly . . . . and it is very dark at this time before the storm.

Sorry for the rant.

I just wish, wish, wish I did not agree with him. It breaks my heart when I think of more people losing everything and all the suffering it will bring with it.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
4. The way I see it, the rich have been redistributing wealth for over 30 years.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:57 PM
Sep 2015

It's time to reverse that wealth redistribution machine, and Bernie is the only candidate capable of doing it.

crystal dawn

(85 posts)
6. Schiff is a libertarian
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:59 AM
Sep 2015

who pushes the Austrian school of economics and is usually wrong about everything. Most, if not all, of his predictions have been wrong and I can't believe this loser is being promoted on DU.

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