Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard: Russia is bombing al-Qaeda terrorists. Why is this a bad thing?

[Jesus Malverde]

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[840high]

1. kick

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

2. She makes quite a bit of sense.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

4. What are you saying?

[uhnope]

5. what aren't you saying?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

6. I thought as much.

[rhett o rick]

7. I think he is saying that all those that don't hate Russia should be banned, or

something like that.

[uhnope]

10. lol. we already know what a fan you are of Russian fascist media events

when they say something that conforms to your out-there views--I especially like how you went semi-Godwin on Clapper: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017187522#post22

Yeah so of course you're going to support "Russia Insider" youtube vids that slam Obama.

[rhett o rick]

11. First of all I think it's a bit creepy that you have such a recall system to my previous posts.

I have a hunch you have help.

Secondly, I didn't mention support of the youtube video.

Thirdly, I don't trust anyone that tries to promote a war. Some very famous dictators gain great power by scaring the people about dangers from an enemy. Wars are a way of killing off the 99% for profits for the 1%.

So I guess my question to you is, do you side with the 99% or with the NSA/CIA Dark State?

[uhnope]

12. wow, it gets better. So you use the term "CIA Dark State"?

Please tell us about this and tell me how to find out more about the Dark State (in caps).

I know it's unpopular these days to have a functioning memory, who do exactly do you think is giving me "help" to recall things? Agents from the Dark State?

And since you have strong opinions against war and dictatorship, what is your view of the sickening dictatorship in Russia, and the wars and occupation that Putin is currently waging?

Do that, and I will reveal....whose side I'm on!

[rhett o rick]

13. I know full well who's side you are on. This is a class war and you chose the side with the power.

[uhnope]

14. darn, you didn't answer my questions. oh well I googled it instead

"Dark State" for the USA gets sites like Consortium News and Global Research, Information Clearinghouse and TRNN.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

Globalresearch.ca (also under the domain name globalresearch.org) may best be described as the moonbat equivalent to WorldNetDaily. It is the website of the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) founded by Michel Chossudovsky.
...
While many of Globalresearch.ca's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian or environmental concerns, the site has a strong undercurrent of reality warping and bullshit throughout its pages, especially in relation to taking its news from Russia Today, along with other unreliable and/or open sources.

Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch.ca mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda. The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order. Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11, vaccines, genetic modification, Zionism, HAARP, global warming, and David Kelly. Analyses of these issues tend follow the lines of the site's political biases.

Consortium News = Robert Parry = discredited pro-war (if Russia does it) hack who is probably literally getting paid by the Russian gov.

Enough.

OK Rhett, I'm going to try to be nice now. Do you really think that the US is a "Dark State" but that somehow Russia is a land of wonderfulness and freedom? Even if all the bad things you think about the USA is true, don't you think that relatively speaking it's doing much better democracy- and freedom-wise than Russia (or China)? (I'm not saying that means we should be satisfied in the USA, I'm saying don't you think you're being fooled by reading stuff that is written for an actual dictatorship in the Kremlin to make the USA out to be a Star Chamber Dark Death Star State?)

One more thing I will try to be nice about: Beware paranoia. It's very bad for you. People let themselves go and they start to have serious mental problems. Take care of yourself.

On edit, I want to repeat that last part. Michel Chossudovsky of Global Research is so nuts he's some kind of Tsunami Truther who thinks the USA had an evil plot not to tell the fishermen about the 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean. http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO412C.html

Don't let loons like that influence you.

[davidthegnome]

16. Your condescension leaps off the page.

One sort of thing I've never really had any respect for, is talking down to others. If this is you trying to be nice, I can only imagine what you trying to be mean must look like.

The truth is something that we, as Americans, very typically know little to nothing about. In fact, we are one of the most ignorant Nations on earth, by far, when it comes to the actions of our own government and it's institutions. Perhaps this is in part because of our educational system which is being poorly funded - and constantly attacked by politicians on both sides of the fence - most of whom don't know a blessed thing about education.

Perhaps another part of it though, is something darker, a suspicion that we, as Americans, often have of each other. I am sure that the powers that be in this Country enjoy it, us fighting like little mice arguing over who gets the bigger crumb.

Neither Russia, nor the US... in recent years, have been anything remotely resembling shining beacons of freedom. More and more in America, I see funds and assistance being eliminated for those most desperately in need. I see whacked out conservatives and tea party members who want to shut down the government, stop food stamps, health care for the poor, who want a world (or at least a Nation) in which everyone must fend for themselves. You know why we have things like Nations? To bring us together, to work together, to make it - and the world around it, better.

You are only half right about paranoia. Taken to extremes, it is indeed dangerous. A healthy amount though, is practically a necessity in a Nation where everything under the sun is spied on in some manner, recorded, locked away in some neat little data file somewhere. It isn't enough that our phone lines, or emails, or even our homes aren't safe from invasion (even if we have done nothing wrong), but we also have this little piece of (crap) legislation called the Patriot Act, which enables agents of the government to do all sorts of things... that aren't the least bit patriotic - and utterly disregard things like our Constitution - and human rights.

We have tortured prisoners of war. We have launched invasions based on lies and greed and a gullible populace. We - the tax payers, have been forced to bail out the very financial institutions that caused the financial crisis!

My question for you is - why the hell wouldn't you be paranoid? I sure am.

This "Dark State" business, is something that I personally feel is making slow progress towards becoming the reality in this Country. Time will tell - but when will they attempt the next national ID act? How long will it be before each of us are required to carry photo id to vote? Before we must show our "papers" to various government officials?

I tell you, fascism is on the rise in this Country - and it is made possible, largely by two things. One - a poorly educated, largely ignorant populace... and two, the willingness, even eagerness, of the rest of us to fight among ourselves, instead of facing the real battle that needs to be fought. For our rights as human beings, for the right to survive, for adequate medical care, for simple things like food and water.

Screw the dark state, screw Russia, screw it all. I care for the people, not the Nations. The best thing the Russians can do for themselves is the same thing we need to do here - unmask and pull down the oligarchs. Fight them at every turn - and ultimately remove them from government and positions of influence. If we want a future that is humanitarian, in a Nation, with a government... that even remotely gives a damn, it's time for us to act. Not just here, but everywhere.

I am proud member of the 99% - and paranoia, for me and those like me, is neither unjustified nor bad for you (provided you avoid extremes) it is merely the sensible, logical, rational reaction to what is going on.

[uhnope]

22. there's no such thing as a healthy amount of paranoia.

There's skepticism, pessimism, wariness, suspicion.

It becomes paranoia when it gets to be a mental problem, a derangement. I'm sure you don't mean to argue in favor of that.

We probably agree on most things so we don't need to argue. But please, this:

in a Nation where everything under the sun is spied on in some manner, recorded, locked away in some neat little data file somewhere.

...that's a little bit out there. Maybe take a deep breath and try to realize that nobody's recording you right now.

[rhett o rick]

29. Funny you'd say that. How much "paranoia" do those that run around screaming "The Russians are

coming, the Russians are coming" have? I am skeptical of all who try to scare us into another war that will only profit the 1% and kill the children of the 99%.

[davidthegnome]

30. That's just it.

The paranoia of which you are accusing someone else, isn't paranoia at all, but skepticism, pessimism, wariness, suspicion. I would also call it a completely reasonable reaction to what's going on today. It was you that warned someone of paranoia and "mental problems". Show me a person today without some kind of "mental problem", and I'll direct you to a psychiatrist who can diagnose them. We can certainly use different words though, I think that might actually be best, as there really isn't much indication that Rhett is suffering from paranoia, is there?

I don't know how familiar you are with the NSA and/or the CIA and their information gathering programs, I don't know if we've read the same things over the years, but I can tell you this much - almost any email, phone conversation, or communication aided by technology is in some manner recorded - and certainly can (and often is) accessed by government agents. You are familiar with Snowden? With NSA spying programs? We spy on our own - and on virtually every Country and government on earth. Obviously, we don't do it terribly well because idiots like me know about it, but the fact remains that this is something that is done. Understand - we ARE recorded, any conversation for which you use technology to aid you is recorded and can typically very easily be reviewed. I'm not saying someone reads every word - but if some NSA agent felt like reading your entire email history? I'm fairly certain it could be done, without too much trouble.

Taking a deep breath is always a good idea. This stuff I'm talking about - that we have been discussing here - isn't as far out as you think. I know people who have worked for the CIA, for military intelligence, if you like, we can google it all day and come up with thousands of stories about what is spied on and how and why. Seems rather a pointless exercise though.

The truth is often stranger than fiction. What may seem like paranoia, or delusion, may in fact be just the right amount of skepticism, pessimism, wariness, and/or suspicion. I would also not call it pessimism to point out a truth that may be somewhat negative.

I'm not your enemy - and there's no reason we should be such, but condescension gets my hackles up (particularly the manner in which you have been using it). The whole "OMG, you are a disturbed person/beware insanity/seek help/I disagree and therefor you're insane" is a method of bullying, demeaning - and ultimately degrading someone else by attacking not only their intellect, but their very sanity. It is intellectually dishonest and is more than a little bit "out there". We can have honest arguments if you want, or we can have dishonest ones. I'll leave that up to you. I would suggest though, that attacking someone's sanity is really a cheap way of trying to make a point.

We're not talking about aliens and tinfoil hats. I don't see a Death Star on the moon - and Elvis hasn't talked to me since I started taking my medication.

[newfie11]

25. Thank you

[rhett o rick]

19. You say you are going to be nice. I don't trust you, but willing to take a chance.

I believe that the NSA/CIA have extraordinary power. When and how they acquired it I don't know. But it is very reasonable that during the Bush admin they got what ever they wanted as far as money and power is concerned. There has to be someone's law that says that everyone will push the limits of their regulations. I believe the CIA/NSA push the limits and literally have zero oversight. When some Senators tried to hold them accountable, they were shot down. Gen Clapper was allowed to lie to Congress. No one else could get away with that but him.

When Obama became president there were no changes in the personnel in the CIA/NSA essentially. If they were overstepping their bounds under Bush, I don't think Obama got them to stop after all presidents come and go, yet the NSA/CIA are here forever.

Some people want to believe very badly that someone good will take good care of them. They think that if they are good it's ok if the NSA/CIA violate the Constitution because it won't affect them. They are either naive or ignorant.

As far as whether I think life is better in Russia is an absurd question. What I do fear is that we will get stampeded into another war like Viet Nam and Iraq. Those wars made huge profits for the MIC and I think they have a lot of power to try to scare us into another disastrous war.

[newthinking]

17. So you going to call Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard a Putin loving Traitor?

inquiring minds want to know...

[uhnope]

18. lol. Give it up, Newthinking. Flamebaiting will only worsen

your already dismal reputation.

I mean, one would think you're just trying to get attention, coming out with a broadside against me like that. Next you'll call me a bigot again.

No, give it up. You're not funny. People being murdered in Russia for being gay or for being journalists by state-sponsored thugs is not funny, and you're not funny in whatever it is you think you're doing here.

[newthinking]

21. It's a reasonable question. It would be consistant with your many many such proclamations here?

and be direct with what you imply in your comments.

Oh.. pointing back to your own name calling posts does not exactly make a case for you.

[HatTrick]

8. .

[Make7]

20. Tulsi Gabbard on Meet the Press Daily (MSNBC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=0&v=HEifN_5Jvow

[newthinking]

24. Our resident "accuser" needs to read The definition of McCarthyism

And do a little refresh on their history of the period. I am somewhat surprised that they have been allowed to continue these kind of accusations here.

***This*** is fascism

McCarthyism
McCarthyism (məˈkɑːθɪˌɪzəm )
Definitions
noun
(mainly US)

1.the practice of making unsubstantiated accusations of disloyalty or Communist leanings

2. the use of unsupported accusations for any purpose


From Wikipedia:

McCarthyism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
U.S. anti-Communist literature of the 1950s, specifically addressing the entertainment industry

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism."[1] The term has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1950 to 1956 and characterized by heightened political repression against communists, as well as a campaign spreading fear of their influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of Republican U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, "McCarthyism" soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment and/or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[2] laws that were later declared unconstitutional,[3] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[4] or actionable,[5] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.

The most notable examples of McCarthyism include the speeches, investigations, and hearings of Senator McCarthy himself; the Hollywood blacklist, associated with hearings conducted by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC); and the various anti-communist activities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) under Director J. Edgar Hoover. McCarthyism was a widespread social and cultural phenomenon that affected all levels of society and was the source of a great deal of debate and conflict in the United States.

[Jesus Malverde]

27. Thanks for the link.

[mahina]

9. Dont trust her.

Please.

I appreciate her service and all, but Tulsi is a Democrat because that's what you have to be to win in Hawaii.

Her father, a local politician, switched parties to Dem. Tulsi was on the city council for one term and ran for congress. She wants to be president.

It doesn't take much looking to find out where she is coming from. She's attractive, that's all. She's a DINO all the way.

Edited to add that this is about our Representative, not about her comments in this post or the greater problems at hand.

[mahina]

26. Came back to add the link to a NYT article about Tulsi being disinvited from the debate

after asking for more of them...and she's a DNC officer.

Have to give Tulsi props for coming out on this one.


http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/12/d-n-c-officer-says-she-was-disinvited-from-debate-after-calling-for-more-of-them/?smid=fb-share&_r=0

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. We never support the young people who want the Middle East to join the 20th century....

There's no money in that.

We always look for the dictator that can be bribed.

Hopefully one that can be had cheap and will spend as little as possible on their own people.

[swilton]

28. 1,000 Recs

[Plucketeer]

33. DINO or not

it's refreshing to hear someone in office espousing a bit of common sense! Let people work things out for themselves. It only become OUR job to be world cops when we have our own place in perfect order - which we don't!