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EarlG

(21,934 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:28 PM Oct 2015

Pic Of The Moment: Anti-Choice Insanity



Anti-choicer Admits Regulating Women’s Sexuality, Not Abortion, Drives Planned Parenthood Attacks


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Pic Of The Moment: Anti-Choice Insanity (Original Post) EarlG Oct 2015 OP
Hunh? Pedoviejo2 Oct 2015 #1
and maybe a little fun of her own tk2kewl Oct 2015 #8
Or, some really good sex ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2015 #25
Spot On 1SBM - spot on! eom LittleGirl Oct 2015 #40
Are you volunteering to help out with that? Ken Burch Oct 2015 #103
Or at least hazardous duty pay ; ) 4_TN_TITANS Oct 2015 #107
True. maddiemom Oct 2015 #65
It's also "do as I say, not as I do" Warpy Oct 2015 #82
Perhaps timdog44 Oct 2015 #99
Not necessarily GeoWilliam750 Oct 2015 #100
Exactly my thought Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2015 #117
translation: "I need to get laid & have never had an orgasm" wordpix Oct 2015 #125
No she doesn't. She's another rw extreme nutcase who wants to force us to live like her. trillion Oct 2015 #140
OK, I TRIED to be the first to rec this... TygrBright Oct 2015 #2
Try it, you'll like it Marthe48 Oct 2015 #3
I don't think having sex for pleasure is gonna be a problem for Monica. Botany Oct 2015 #4
LOL!!! Duppers Oct 2015 #38
LOL, I love that! eom LittleGirl Oct 2015 #41
For some odd reason, I am reminded MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #54
Not much to be worried about there, ladies. hifiguy Oct 2015 #66
Ah, OK. sulphurdunn Oct 2015 #88
My lips would have to touch a heck of a lot of liquor before I'd let my lips touch those. Quasimodem Oct 2015 #95
No wonder they made drinking legal again. trillion Oct 2015 #142
Is that a guarantee? WhoIsNumberNone Oct 2015 #161
I resisted going there... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2015 #85
Couldn't resist this portrayal which comes to mind- SNL comedian Dana Carvey's 'Church Lady'.. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #150
Are men really on board? Marthe48 Oct 2015 #5
If Monica Miller's mindset takes hold, there will be a lot of nervous sheep. bulloney Oct 2015 #13
Her mindset is shared by many, many millions. Most of the GOP candidates Hortensis Oct 2015 #120
No, that doesn't work. knightmaar Oct 2015 #32
Shakers didn't have sex at all. IrishEyes Oct 2015 #122
my theory is that Shakers shook because wordpix Oct 2015 #126
There are still shakers whopis01 Oct 2015 #133
Good to know. Marthe48 Oct 2015 #136
Shakers in Maine XenaAmazon Oct 2015 #137
They are a continuation of the same group whopis01 Oct 2015 #146
There's an argument that the whole nazi thing was because of repressed sexual urges. Well the RW trillion Oct 2015 #143
They dont have to be on board quakerboy Oct 2015 #158
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueJazz Oct 2015 #6
Nothing new here droidamus2 Oct 2015 #7
Yep. I never realized it before, but I came of age before Roe vs Wade. maddiemom Oct 2015 #69
but now they are admitting it openly again. niyad Oct 2015 #90
Yes this evolved from having pain in childbirth to having pain in intercourse. DhhD Oct 2015 #106
Obvious wryter2000 Oct 2015 #9
If they were truly pro-life, they'd be leading discussion on a number of other issues. bulloney Oct 2015 #14
If men could get pregnant Rocknrule Oct 2015 #128
+10000, even their denial of the environment - they were massively agianst the environmental trillion Oct 2015 #145
Exactly! That's the dead give away right there. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #115
In Catholic School the priest used to tell us not to entertain impure thoughts. Binkie The Clown Oct 2015 #10
Apparently Monica Miller tartan2 Oct 2015 #11
You mean "orgasm," don't you? bulloney Oct 2015 #15
"Miller" is apparently her married name. maddiemom Oct 2015 #72
Are you sure? (Oh, that poor SOB). /nt NCjack Oct 2015 #94
Maybe she should visit Hawaii? Laffy Kat Oct 2015 #108
Definition of a 'puritan:' LongTomH Oct 2015 #12
We've known all along that this was the case. But here's what's SO STUPID about all this... Triana Oct 2015 #16
Awesome post, Triana! silverweb Oct 2015 #73
Women as breed cattle, property - not human beings deserving of human rights. Triana Oct 2015 #77
Back atcha! silverweb Oct 2015 #87
So true. And vile. appalachiablue Oct 2015 #131
Way, way back, even before Christianity, Islam, or other such religions, maddiemom Oct 2015 #78
Isn't that why there is genital mutilation? Helen Borg Oct 2015 #135
Righteous!! emmadoggy Oct 2015 #144
Yes. Feminism is the radical idea that women are people. n/t whathehell Oct 2015 #149
^^^^^^^. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2015 #151
She openly admits what we've all been saying. senz Oct 2015 #17
I want ejbr Oct 2015 #18
Is anyone really surprised? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2015 #19
Not me... yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #22
Not if I were on the jury. Feeling the Bern Oct 2015 #56
Me too! d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #63
you are too kind yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #124
Hey, Monica. Try to lighten up a bit, would you? Aldo Leopold Oct 2015 #20
don't you understand? NewJeffCT Oct 2015 #35
I think the Victorian approach was to tell young women about to be married hifiguy Oct 2015 #67
I don't know Doc Holliday Oct 2015 #21
The mentality is: "You screwed; you're screwed." forest444 Oct 2015 #23
Sorry about your luck Monica Miller. SamKnause Oct 2015 #24
... greatauntoftriplets Oct 2015 #26
It's OK with these nutcases if GUYS enjoy sex. Women, on the other hand.... ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #27
O - O - O Monica! Plucketeer Oct 2015 #28
Because sex should be work, dammit Matariki Oct 2015 #29
+10000 trillion Oct 2015 #141
We just time-traveled PatSeg Oct 2015 #30
Some of us remember the 1950s, but clamshells Oct 2015 #46
Same here PatSeg Oct 2015 #50
I am so trying not to bring looks into this LibertyLover Oct 2015 #31
My thoughts exactly. 3catwoman3 Oct 2015 #74
Not a fan of the Puritans at all BUT truebluegreen Oct 2015 #110
Didn't Piper Laurie play her in a movie once? skypilot Oct 2015 #33
Whereas riding giant dildo shaped bombs until they explode in orgasmic pleasure on our enemies Johonny Oct 2015 #34
She's probably got a purse full of scarlet letters. Rozlee Oct 2015 #36
Instead of sex for mere pleasure..... Half-Century Man Oct 2015 #37
OMG! She's my mother! Duppers Oct 2015 #39
As a man, may I say to all the ladies that I as a young man NCjack Oct 2015 #42
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2015 #60
What about masturbation? Praek3 Oct 2015 #43
A Sperm Holocaust to be sure houston16revival Oct 2015 #62
This is the best thread LittleGirl Oct 2015 #44
An attitude right out of the 1950's. SpankMe Oct 2015 #45
Almira Gulch doesn't want anyone to have sex. louis-t Oct 2015 #47
wikipedia article clamshells Oct 2015 #48
WTF? NealK Oct 2015 #49
I am guessing MIZ MILLER has never enjoyed "sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" otherwise MADem Oct 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Oct 2015 #52
Monica does not look too happy to me! Helen Borg Oct 2015 #53
I got 5 bucks, caaaash monies, that says MynameisBlarney Oct 2015 #55
She looks like a good ole prohibition gal, doesn't she passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #57
Did she HAVE to look like a prude? Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #58
Yes. hifiguy Oct 2015 #68
She looks like the type that assigns seats for a kid's birthday party.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #70
She radiates all the joy of hifiguy Oct 2015 #80
I was gonna say she makes my dick hide behind my liver but didn't want it alerted. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #81
Ha!! louis-t Oct 2015 #132
yes, b/c if she looked normal, she would have sex more wordpix Oct 2015 #127
Conservatives are funny when they get honest uponit7771 Oct 2015 #59
So .................. houston16revival Oct 2015 #61
So the Bedroom Police do exist! d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #64
Give the woman some slack. She's probably only had sex with conservatives. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #71
Betty Bowers at Landover Baptist! DemoTex Oct 2015 #75
"Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance.” Fritz Walter Oct 2015 #76
I'll bet she plays with her poo. valerief Oct 2015 #79
Anyone thats ever seen my posts knows what I think Elmer S. E. Dump Oct 2015 #83
Bitch be crazy. gregcrawford Oct 2015 #84
God designed us to have pleasure. PatrynXX Oct 2015 #86
These people are sick. blackspade Oct 2015 #89
Trivia: She is also the person who took the aborted fetus photos that anti-choice protesters use -nt TacoD Oct 2015 #91
OMFG! longship Oct 2015 #92
Monica is probably a Bunny Ranch employee that **cked Lamar Odom into a coma Submariner Oct 2015 #93
I'm getting a Phyllis Schlafly vibe off her... 47of74 Oct 2015 #96
At First, I Thought Monica Miller Was A Nun, NonMetro Oct 2015 #97
apparantly florida08 Oct 2015 #98
This has been said before: Lorien Oct 2015 #101
From the look on her face, sex and pleasure have never gone together. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #102
Yeah I was thinking the same exact thing LynneSin Oct 2015 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Oct 2015 #112
---- whathehell Oct 2015 #148
Not my fantasies at all. Nightmares that happened to people I cared about. Ken Burch Oct 2015 #157
Sex for pleasure? Good luck with stopping that!!! Kath1 Oct 2015 #104
Monica! Your straight jacket and rubber room are waiting. longship Oct 2015 #105
That SO sounds like a fetish scenario... Ken Burch Oct 2015 #113
You know we can hear you, right? truebluegreen Oct 2015 #109
Hey you, Whitehouse, Ha ha charade you are. KG Oct 2015 #114
OMG! She's the very embodiment of that character Lily Tomlin made so famous on Laugh-in! Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #116
Pretty close to what I was taught Bradical79 Oct 2015 #118
What's next, Monica? Genital mutilation? /nt hopeforchange2008 Oct 2015 #119
Wow, a GOD a real GOD in the flesh................................ turbinetree Oct 2015 #121
What a horrible woman! longship Oct 2015 #123
I am shocked SHOCKED to find gambling going on here iandhr Oct 2015 #129
"Twitchy", Monica's husband, never got a nooner. /nt SDjack Oct 2015 #130
So, she would not put "casual sex" Helen Borg Oct 2015 #134
What.. year is this? WTH! trillion Oct 2015 #138
Is it just the antiquated hairdo, SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #139
All missionary position all the time for Monica. jalan48 Oct 2015 #147
Almost hard to believe this is real, sammythecat Oct 2015 #152
Ms. Miller needs to be schooled. 2015graduate Oct 2015 #153
And the problem with sex for pleasure is............? Dont call me Shirley Oct 2015 #154
Is it just me ...... rnk6670 Oct 2015 #155
Oh please Mira Oct 2015 #156
I hate seeing people try to foist off Puritanical prudery on PatrickforO Oct 2015 #159
And a red sash for you, my dear WhoIsNumberNone Oct 2015 #160
SOURCE! Leftist AF Oct 2015 #162
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. Or, some really good sex ...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:31 PM
Oct 2015

free from the fear of an unwanted pregnancy, contracting a disease, or any of the other things PP's services prevent.

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
82. It's also "do as I say, not as I do"
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:38 PM
Oct 2015

because she's only got 3 children. There had to be some evil birth control in there somewhere.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
125. translation: "I need to get laid & have never had an orgasm"
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:58 AM
Oct 2015

Therefore, no one should have one...?

Some real twisted thinking there

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
140. No she doesn't. She's another rw extreme nutcase who wants to force us to live like her.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:51 PM
Oct 2015

These people get the whole ball of wax. This woman will also be a racist and massively sociopathic against helping people.

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
2. OK, I TRIED to be the first to rec this...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:33 PM
Oct 2015

But yeah, this needs to become a meme or something.

Mind you, it won't change any of the "abortion is murdering poor helpless pre-born babies" minds, not at all.

And it won't change any of the patriarchal "wimmins is outta control and that's the root of everything wrong" minds.

But it takes away the "human shield" of the baby-killing assertions pretty effectively.

And it might-- just MIGHT-- make some fence-sitters of the "this isn't really the MOST important issue" variety land on the useful side of the fence, running.

wistfully,
Bright

Quasimodem

(441 posts)
95. My lips would have to touch a heck of a lot of liquor before I'd let my lips touch those.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:59 PM
Oct 2015

Not just pints or quarts ... hogsheads, maybe.

Marthe48

(16,898 posts)
5. Are men really on board?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:39 PM
Oct 2015

There are 2 sides to the coin. And I have a feeling if people are barred from having sex, they will find other outlets, which is also frowned upon. Seinfeld 'The Contest' comes to mind.

I think the Shakers had sex twice a year for procreation. There aren't any more Shakers. But they made great furniture.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
13. If Monica Miller's mindset takes hold, there will be a lot of nervous sheep.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:01 PM
Oct 2015

Why can't old prudes like her get through their heads that sex can be an expression of love and not just a means of reproducing?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
120. Her mindset is shared by many, many millions. Most of the GOP candidates
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:01 AM
Oct 2015

this time around and in the past endorse it. JEBush! suggested we return to shaming unwed mothers. Their excuse is ALWAYS, invariably that unwed mothers can't care for their children, but we all know that isn't true.

The sin under constant attack is sex outside of marriage. Most "small government" conservatives actually want huge government of our sexual lives.

knightmaar

(748 posts)
32. No, that doesn't work.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:55 PM
Oct 2015

The kind of men we're talking about are perfectly capable of demanding their wives be virgins while also sleeping with a lot of women, calling the one who do sleep with them certain bad names and calling the ones who won't sleep with them other bad names.

These people are not, generally speaking, aware of cognitive dissonance.

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
122. Shakers didn't have sex at all.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:25 AM
Oct 2015

They had good beliefs about about gender and racial equality, simple living, hard work and nonviolence. They helped escaped slaves. Unfortunately since there was no sex and therefore no children they eventually basically died out.

From Wikipedia

Shakers were celibate; procreation was forbidden after they joined the society (except for women who were already pregnant at admission). Children were added to their communities through indenture, adoption, or conversion. Occasionally a foundling was anonymously left on a Shaker doorstep. They welcomed all, often taking in orphans and the homeless. For children, Shaker life was structured, safe and predictable, with no shortage of adults who cared about their young charges.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
126. my theory is that Shakers shook because
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 12:00 PM
Oct 2015

They were having group sex in the name of the lord, with their clothes on

whopis01

(3,491 posts)
146. They are a continuation of the same group
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 10:18 PM
Oct 2015

There were a number of communities throughout new england. They consolidated as their numbers dwindled. In the past they tended to adopt from orphanages to keep their numbers up.

I am not sure, but I believe the one in Maine may be the last of them (as a community at least)

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
143. There's an argument that the whole nazi thing was because of repressed sexual urges. Well the RW
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:57 PM
Oct 2015

does love war and guns and violence.

quakerboy

(13,916 posts)
158. They dont have to be on board
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:58 PM
Oct 2015

It only applies to women. Boys will be boys, and the women who indulge them will be looked down upon.

I dont believe the shakers were supposed to procreate at all. Not even twice a year, none at all.

And last Id heard there were still a few shakers. according to al jazera, they have actually had a 33% growth over the past few years. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/3/last-shakers-hope-novice-can-revive-communal-society.html

Response to EarlG (Original post)

droidamus2

(1,699 posts)
7. Nothing new here
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:45 PM
Oct 2015

Anybody that is old enough to have been around pre-Roe v Wade knows this has always been the case. The original arguments against Roe and abortion mostly centered around something like 'Bad girls should not be able to get out of their immoral mistakes by getting an abortion they should have to become mothers as their punishment for having the temerity to have sex outside of marriage'. Once Roe v Wade was passed they realized that argument was not working so they started pushing the 'its a baby' argument. I guess they figured an emotional argument works better than a moral argument.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
69. Yep. I never realized it before, but I came of age before Roe vs Wade.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:24 PM
Oct 2015

In fact, I'm a bit older than Miller (Infamous Sixties generation). A girl in my dorm came back from an illegal abortion and nearly bled to death (not an uncommon happening in my generation). She was a "slut," of course and it served her right, according to a couple of really "Christian" dorm mates. Not once was anything said about a "baby" being "murdered." That argument was never mentioned, or even considered in those days.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
106. Yes this evolved from having pain in childbirth to having pain in intercourse.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:42 PM
Oct 2015

Having pain in being a woman; Eve, that scoundrel will be punished, wanting to have sex with Adam; God's judgment according to Genesis.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
14. If they were truly pro-life, they'd be leading discussion on a number of other issues.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:06 PM
Oct 2015

Capital punishment, warmongering, health care reform to name a few.

But, they don't discuss these issues. My cynical side says it's because most of these people are rabid Republicans and abortion is one of the few "pure" issues where they can make elections a "our way or no way" discussion. If you throw in conservatives' support for capital punishment, Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and conservatives' opposition to any attempt at health care reform, it muddies the water.

 

trillion

(1,859 posts)
145. +10000, even their denial of the environment - they were massively agianst the environmental
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:02 PM
Oct 2015

protection agency and against anti-pollution laws long before climate change came along. It's that they really aren't pro life - any life, human, animal, or plant.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
115. Exactly! That's the dead give away right there.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:01 AM
Oct 2015

They just want to make sure that if women have sex, they are going to suffer the consequences.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
10. In Catholic School the priest used to tell us not to entertain impure thoughts.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:53 PM
Oct 2015

I told him that when I entertain impure thoughts they entertain me in return, so it seems like a win-win to me.

(well, I didn't use exactly those words.)

(Well, I didn't actually say anything, but I thought it.)

tartan2

(314 posts)
11. Apparently Monica Miller
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:54 PM
Oct 2015

has never experienced an organism because if she had, she would shut the fuck up!!

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
12. Definition of a 'puritan:'
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:00 PM
Oct 2015

"PURITAN: One who is tormented by the thought that, someone, somewhere, may be enjoying themselves."

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
16. We've known all along that this was the case. But here's what's SO STUPID about all this...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

... "Sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" is just FINE with evangelicals and pro-lifers -- but ONLY WHEN MEN DO IT. When it became possible for women to do that, well all HELL broke loose. Because males are some kind of privileged and women aren't human anyway, they're just breeding cattle - incubators on the hoof for men to use as service units. This is the asshole attitude behind the fact that we typically blame victims for rape - telling them don't wear this and that, don't walk here or there, don't go here or there, don't drink, "what did YOU do to cause yourself to get raped?!", etc. etc. -- but they NEVER EVER TELL RAPISTS NOT TO RAPE PEOPLE -- absolutely ZERO education around that at all.

Rape is fine in our society, some of it is even legislated - REQUIRED. If you're a victim of it, well too-bad-so-sad, slut (and any unmarried women or any woman not under the control or ownership of a man or a male-controlled legal system or society is a SLUT - watch - that's now it works). And a married women who is raped is also a slut and will be deemed fully responsible for someone ELSE'S behavior. As if she had any control whatsoever over it. This is WHY I call them the American Taliban. They treat sexually abused/assaulted women (and children) the same as the Taliban does. Little difference. "Oh well they don't stone them to death!", you say. Well perhaps not literally -- but they do throw rocks at them in other ways -- so that argument is invalid. They're further abused by a legal system and society that largely sees men as poor little victims who just can't control themselves sexually. No one ever suggests that they grow up and take responsibility for their actions. Only women are expected to do that (and to take responsibility for the actions of the men too!)

Here's another part of the problem I have with these dipshit "pro-life/anti-abortion/anti-contraception" attitudes: If you REALLY want to stop people having "Sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" - then you had goddamn better be as hellbent on controlling the behavior of MEN TOO AND NOT JUST WOMEN. But notice we never hear a thing about that. We can't give free contraceptives to women but we can give free Viagra to men all over the place. No complaints about that from our Taliban rulers! How interesting. The double standard is appalling.

But it's all fucked-up anyway (pun intended) because trying to control the behavior of OTHER people (rather than yourself) is just NOT possible! You control your own damn behavior and let others worry about theirs. Because you CANNOT control theirs. That's why blaming rape victims for what someone ELSE (the rapist) did is utterly S T U P I D. And simultaneously, absolving men of any responsibility whatsoever for their own behavior is utterly STUPID.

And -- trying to control only HALF the people whom you want to stop doing a thing (ie: having "Sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" ) is even MORE stupid. Either everybody stops it - or nobody does - and that's because (duh) sex takes TWO people at least.

These dipshit attitudes from pro-life/anti-abortion/anti-contraception zealots are a goddamned STUPID sandwich with extra bullshit.

But the anti-abortionist/anti-birth control crowd says:

"We can't have these slutty women having sex without consequence!!!"

Well why the fuck NOT? MEN do it all the time! When are you going to start tying legislative strings to their testicles and penises? Eh?

Well of course you're NOT.

The bottom line is that "Gawd" designed HUMANS to have sex (If there is such an entity). They're designed to WANT to have it. And WOMEN. ARE. HUMAN. Well woops: since women are human therefore they're going to (want to) have sex. Married or not. Biology doesn't give a crap about your stupid legal institutions. It does what it's designed to do. And the lesser intelligent humans would do well to stop trying to prevent half the human race from BEING HUMAN and start living with the FACT that women have sex and much of the time they enjoy it and would like to sometimes do it without being punished for 9 months and 20 years, since our medical technology now allows this. And GOOD for the human race! Developing birth control/contraception was one of the wisest things it's ever done for itself.

As for trying to control only the penis-lacking population because we don't want them having sex for the pure enjoyment of it without consequence: Just STOP being STUPID. It's not going to happen because it can't. Women as humans -just like men - are designed to have sex (and to want to have it) and they have the capability now to have pleasurable sex when the hell they want without consequence and idiot evangelicals and RWingers are not going to change that. That toothpaste is just NOT going back into that tube.

Deal with the fact that it happens, that it is GOING TO HAPPEN and ensure women have proper healthcare for it. That INCLUDES contraceptives, abortion when needed, pre-and post-natal care. Treat women like the HUMANS they are and always will be.

If men got pregnant all these things would be readily available and FREE. If women started making laws controlling MEN'S bodies and what they can and cannot do with them, they'd raise HOLY HELL about how unfair that is. But we know how that goes, don't we? Pfft.

The double standards and lack of understanding / refusal to accept basic human nature (and that women are human) and basic human psychology and the penchant to to place all blame and responsibility for sex, sexual behavior and procreation on women is stupid and unworkable. It just IS and that is fact.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
73. Awesome post, Triana!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:46 PM
Oct 2015

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Remember "The Handmaid's Tale"? The men had access to private clubs with "available" women - the uncooperative and "disobedient" ones, forced into prostitution by men for their very survival.

Women's lives were owned by men and strictly controlled in every minutest aspect, especially the "handmaids," and it was all about religiosity and procreation.

The double standard is mind-boggling.

This is exactly where the hyper-conservative, anti-choice mob would take us if they could. This is a fight for our very lives.



 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
77. Women as breed cattle, property - not human beings deserving of human rights.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:04 PM
Oct 2015

That's the vile hell they would have women existing in. I know. And...thanks.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
78. Way, way back, even before Christianity, Islam, or other such religions,
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

I'm sure it was purely practical and a defense for women. Fair or not, it was the woman who "got caught" in the aftermath of sex. No way around it and hard for a woman without a man to "protect" her and her children. Men got off scott free and no one could prove who the father was until very recently in human history. This could have given rise to a whole lot of social disorder, and so it was much easier to reign in the women (of course some "uncivilized" societies had different attitudes). Man-made morals and religions reinforced the tradition and women were made, more and more, to feel the responsibility, other than in the old rape/pillage situations.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
17. She openly admits what we've all been saying.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:11 PM
Oct 2015

I love it when rightwingers spill the beans after lying for so many years. Kinda like when Keven McCarthy bragged that the Benghazi hearings were all about crippling the Hillary campaign. Rightwingers have gotten so, so confident that they're finally getting sloppy -- which is where we catch them.

I've thought a lot about what sex is for human beings. Yes, of course pleasure -- but it's so much more. It's love, support, closeness, intimacy, caring, connection, tenderness, passion, sincerity, self-expression, devotion, commitment, admiration, joy, happiness, delight, celebration, and deep, deep sharing. And more. Sex can be sacred. (And, for some sick people, something entirely different.) It is part of being human. (And I do not by any means criticize those who have chosen celibacy. Being human is vast and varied and all life styles that do not harm others are valid. It's a personal choice.)

These people are not pro-life. They are anti-llife.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
18. I want
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:13 PM
Oct 2015

my tax dollars used to promote sex for pleasure, even if I'm abstinent. Therefore, she needs to STFU.

Aldo Leopold

(685 posts)
20. Hey, Monica. Try to lighten up a bit, would you?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

Sheesh, if not for pleasure, then why have sex at all? Out of a sense of "duty"?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
35. don't you understand?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:14 PM
Oct 2015

women must have sex with their husbands because it is required of them - after all, Mike Huckabee says that women should "graciously submit" to their husband's leadership. Pleasure is not part of that picture, unless you get excited by graciously submitting (like all women should!). Men, on the other hand, must be pleased during sex. And, if a man ever cheats on his wife, it's for two reasons: (1) his wife is not taking care of his sexual needs at home, like Pat Robertson says, and (2) the other woman is obviously a brazen homewrecking slut. It's never the man's fault.

(please note, the above is obviously sarcasm, but if 100 people read my reply, there is a chance that 1 or 2 might miss that.)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
67. I think the Victorian approach was to tell young women about to be married
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:13 PM
Oct 2015

"Just lie back and think of England."

Doc Holliday

(719 posts)
21. I don't know
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:20 PM
Oct 2015

where this Monica Miller is from, but she might be from somewhere in the South.

Here in West Texas, we are taught from childhood that sex for pleasure only is nasty and wrong, and should only be done with someone you love and plan to spend the rest of your life with.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
23. The mentality is: "You screwed; you're screwed."
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:25 PM
Oct 2015

Straight out of a A Handmaid's Tale. Life imitating art.

SamKnause

(13,088 posts)
24. Sorry about your luck Monica Miller.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:28 PM
Oct 2015

This female loves SEX for recreation and mere pleasure !!!!!

If no one is forcing you to have sex, what is your beef Monica ????

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
28. O - O - O Monica!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:38 PM
Oct 2015

My significant other and I feel sorry for you. We chose NOT to have kids - but to have lots of orgasms instead. The best part is there's never been a hint of guilt to our pleasures.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
29. Because sex should be work, dammit
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:40 PM
Oct 2015

at least for women. Ugh. These people. What joyless lives they must lead.

PatSeg

(47,260 posts)
50. Same here
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:21 PM
Oct 2015

As we progress in many ways, there are bound to be times when we take a step or two backwards, but not half a century or more. Its hard to believe there are still people out there that believe this stuff.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
31. I am so trying not to bring looks into this
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

but looking at a picture of Ms. Miller, it is really, really difficult. I swear, if you were looking for a perfect picture to illustrate the word "Puritan" or "Puritanism" Ms. Miller's photo would be spot on. I simply don't get why RWNJs have this intense urge to impose their morals and values on everyone. Jeez people, do it to your own family, but leave mine alone.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
110. Not a fan of the Puritans at all BUT
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 10:49 PM
Oct 2015

to be fair, the Puritans were pretty unpuritanical regarding marital duties on both sides. Sexuality was very important, within the context of marriage.

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
34. Whereas riding giant dildo shaped bombs until they explode in orgasmic pleasure on our enemies
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:59 PM
Oct 2015

should totally be funded by the government. See some people just get off on different stuff.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
36. She's probably got a purse full of scarlet letters.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:24 PM
Oct 2015

What a prune-faced, judgmental old bag. She's of the same school as Phyllis Schlafly, who once claimed that 'good girls don't get raped.' It sickens me how sexual 'purity' is so important to evangelicals and other religious conservatives. Catholics claim Jesus' mother is The Perpetual Virgin, who remained a virgin before, during and after Jesus' birth. Jesus' siblings were actually his cousins because cousins were often as close as brothers and sister back then. Joseph and Mary never had marital relations. Or so they believe. But, I digress. Sexuality, however, is anathema to Christianity. At least, female sexuality. Doubtless, had this old prude lived in Old Testament times, her greatest pleasure would have been stoning adulteresses.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
37. Instead of sex for mere pleasure.....
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:32 PM
Oct 2015

I'd rather have sex for mind blowing pleasure.

I'd rather have sex, for about three hours (so nostalgic).

My wife and I had recreational sex once; we aren't allowed within 100 yards of the Matterhorn Ride anymore.





Duppers

(28,117 posts)
39. OMG! She's my mother!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:41 PM
Oct 2015

My southern Baptist mother has this anti-sex for pleasure attitude! Her sexual hangups are unbelievable.

She hated me for waiting so long to "give" HER a grandbaby. "You've been married 10 years with nothing to show for it," she said with anger and disdain.


RELIGION!!





NCjack

(10,279 posts)
42. As a man, may I say to all the ladies that I as a young man
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:51 PM
Oct 2015

learned that being kind, gentle, loving and trying to make intercourse a more enjoyable experience for my wife than for myself resulted in pleasure for us beyond our dreams. I don't think that Monica needs a screwing -- she is likely getting more of that than she wants. She needs a lover. If she finds one, she will jump every opportunity that presents itself.

Praek3

(149 posts)
43. What about masturbation?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:54 PM
Oct 2015

Billions of sperm wadded into tissues. Those men are baby killers and should be prosecuted. Where is THEIR scarlet letter? Where is the legislation to stop the killing?

This is an offensive comment on an offensive movement by those "small government for everyone but me" GOP Tea creeps. Disgusting.

LittleGirl

(8,279 posts)
44. This is the best thread
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

I've read in ages! Thank you all for the chuckles, the snickers and the head nods. Every single one of you has a great counter argument to this appalling woman's views. Bless her heart.

SpankMe

(2,956 posts)
45. An attitude right out of the 1950's.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:57 PM
Oct 2015

Democrats and their supporting super-pacs ought to keep this on file as material for campaign advertising next year. Some grumpy prude speaking against "sex for pleasure" in this day and age is out of touch with reality. She should be widely exposed, shamed and connected with the Republican party.

louis-t

(23,267 posts)
47. Almira Gulch doesn't want anyone to have sex.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:08 PM
Oct 2015

Again, Puritan's telling the rest of the world what they can do with their bodies.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. I am guessing MIZ MILLER has never enjoyed "sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" otherwise
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:22 PM
Oct 2015

she would take a look in her mirror and say "WTF have I been doing all these years?"

Anyone who has ever enjoyed even a scant bit of pleasurable recreation would be singing that famous disco song....




The singer of that tune certainly had an interesting life that left nothing to the imagination, may she RIP.

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
53. Monica does not look too happy to me!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:30 PM
Oct 2015

Like perhaps she could benefit herself from some sex for mere pleasure?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
57. She looks like a good ole prohibition gal, doesn't she
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

I wonder when her movement will start advocating for female genital mutilation here in the states. After all, if it's no fun, why do it?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
70. She looks like the type that assigns seats for a kid's birthday party....
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:25 PM
Oct 2015

Can't let them have TOO much fun.

houston16revival

(953 posts)
61. So ..................
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 03:44 PM
Oct 2015

she prefers sex not for recreation, but for work?

Not for 'mere pleasure' but for something else?

Sounds like she thinks sex should be promoted for work, money, or pain.

Baby Factories, anyone?

Nice delivery, time to crank out another! Next!!

SunSeeker

(51,512 posts)
71. Give the woman some slack. She's probably only had sex with conservatives.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 04:26 PM
Oct 2015

Which would make anyone hate sex.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
83. Anyone thats ever seen my posts knows what I think
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:39 PM
Oct 2015

Because I find it too ugly to discuss right now. I'm about to call the kids to dinner.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
86. God designed us to have pleasure.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 05:55 PM
Oct 2015

so to deny that would be to deny God. Maybe she's a right wing Atheist

TacoD

(581 posts)
91. Trivia: She is also the person who took the aborted fetus photos that anti-choice protesters use -nt
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oct 2015

longship

(40,416 posts)
92. OMFG!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:27 PM
Oct 2015

This woman is fucking delusional. Either that, or she is fucking insane.

I feel for her. Certainly she should see a straight jacket and a rubber room before she sees any kind of a public exposure. (Except in one of those advocacy ads, like the heartbreak of psoriasis)

Submariner

(12,497 posts)
93. Monica is probably a Bunny Ranch employee that **cked Lamar Odom into a coma
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 07:27 PM
Oct 2015

and now she's in cover-up mode.

NonMetro

(631 posts)
97. At First, I Thought Monica Miller Was A Nun,
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 08:33 PM
Oct 2015

Because the Citizens for a Pro-Life Society is a Roman Catholic anti-choice group. But she is married with three kids. Surprising she didn't have more. Her thoughts reflect those if the Catholic Church: every act of sex must carry a chance of pregnancy. So, what did she do to keep the number so low? She was born in 1953. And she does have a PH.D., though. Not sure what to make of that. But her goal is clearly to impose her own religious beliefs on others. She probably believes everything the church tells her, Adam and Eve, the fig leafs, garden of Eden, and childbearing as "God's" punishment for Eve for her sin of tempting Adam, and of course, no sex just for pleasure.

She's very old fashioned. Her views were widely shared in 19th, and even early to mid-twentieth century. She never used her education to escape the religious cell she was confined to as a child. How sad! And now she seeks to imprison the minds of other women, so she won't feel alone. How typical! She obviously smart. What a waste that she doesn't use it to liberate other women instead of defending their subjugation by the very institution she serves.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
101. This has been said before:
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:05 PM
Oct 2015

"How I lost faith in the pro-life movement": http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html (one of the best reads you'll ever see on the subject).

I was a dupe. I’m ready to admit it now.

The reality is that so-called pro-life movement is not about saving babies. It’s about regulating sex. That’s why they oppose birth control. That’s why they want to ban abortion even though doing so will simply drive women to have dangerous back alley abortions. That’s why they want to penalize women who take public assistance and then dare to have sex, leaving an exemption for those who become pregnant from rape. It’s not about babies. If it were about babies, they would be making access to birth control widespread and free and creating a comprehensive social safety net so that no woman finds herself with a pregnancy she can’t afford. They would be raising money for research on why half of all zygotes fail to implant and working to prevent miscarriages. It’s not about babies. It’s about controlling women. It’s about making sure they have consequences for having unapproved sex.

But I am very sure that there are other dupes out there. If you’re sitting there reading this thinking “but I really am in it to save unborn babies,” I am sure you’re not alone. After all, I was one of you.

If you are one who has been a part of the pro-life movement because you really do believe in “saving unborn babies,” it’s time to cut your ties with the movement. You may be an honest and kind-hearted person, but you’ve been had. You’ve been taken in. It’s time to let go. It’s time to support Obamacare’s birth control mandate, it’s time to call off opposition to birth control, and it’s time to get behind progressive programs that help provide for poor women and their children. It’s time to make your actions consistent with your motives. While I am myself no longer morally opposed to abortion, I and others like me share your desire to decrease the number of unplanned pregnancies and to ensure that every woman can afford the option of keeping her pregnancy.
- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/10/how-i-lost-faith-in-the-pro-life-movement.html#sthash.H12azocN.dpuf

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
111. Yeah I was thinking the same exact thing
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:23 PM
Oct 2015

her parents probably beat it out of her that sex was horrible except for procreation only. And having never enjoyed sex why should anyone else?

Response to LynneSin (Reply #111)

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
157. Not my fantasies at all. Nightmares that happened to people I cared about.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:01 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:30 AM - Edit history (1)

I meant to attack abusers, not to express anything like you are implying. But I'll delete.

please check your pm's.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
104. Sex for pleasure? Good luck with stopping that!!!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:17 PM
Oct 2015

I can't believe anyone was stupid enough to say that!

longship

(40,416 posts)
105. Monica! Your straight jacket and rubber room are waiting.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 09:31 PM
Oct 2015

These nice people in white coats are your friends. Please go with them willingly.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
113. That SO sounds like a fetish scenario...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:38 PM
Oct 2015

...er, from what I've heard from a friend of a friend of a guy on the bus...

KG

(28,751 posts)
114. Hey you, Whitehouse, Ha ha charade you are.
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 06:50 AM
Oct 2015


You house proud town mouse,
Ha ha charade you are
You're trying to keep our feelings off the street.
You're nearly a real treat,
All tight lips and cold feet
And do you feel abused?
.....! .....! .....! .....!
You gotta stem the evil tide,
And keep it all on the inside.
Mary you're nearly a treat,
Mary you're nearly a treat
But you're really a cry.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
116. OMG! She's the very embodiment of that character Lily Tomlin made so famous on Laugh-in!
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 07:04 AM
Oct 2015

Over 45 years ago!!

When Lily would dress up all prim and proper and then drink tea from a tea cup, complete with saucer, of course.
And then she would always make the remark "Oh, how tacky!" about another comment made at the party the Laugh-in crew was having on their set.

My gawd, what's this world coming to, sex for mere pleasure!?!
I suppose this is going to bring an end to all political conventions, huh?



 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
118. Pretty close to what I was taught
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 08:10 AM
Oct 2015

In church I was taught, sex outside of marriage was bad, masturbation was always bad, sex for pleasure while married was generally accepted though I feel like some questioned whether that was ok too. My memory on that is vague.

turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
121. Wow, a GOD a real GOD in the flesh................................
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 09:09 AM
Oct 2015

who thinks they know what is best for all women another Phyllis Schlafly, she can tell woman are having "sex for mere pleasure"

soothsayer

noun sooth·say·er \-ˌsā-ər, -ˌser\

: someone who makes predictions about what is going to happen in the future



Honk--------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016


longship

(40,416 posts)
123. What a horrible woman!
Sat Oct 17, 2015, 11:09 AM
Oct 2015

I cannot say anything else about this person than that. She is despicable.


sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
152. Almost hard to believe this is real,
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:21 AM
Oct 2015

but it is real. This is something Dana Carvey's Church Lady would come up with.

For pleasure? For nothing else but MERE PLEASURE!? Oh no, THAT is most definitely not allowed. That is way, way, out of bounds, and should only be attempted when supervised and absolutely necessary with both parties blindfolded, silent, and holding their hands above their heads. Appropriate penance, of course, would begin immediately afterward.

2015graduate

(1 post)
153. Ms. Miller needs to be schooled.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:29 PM
Oct 2015

So if I am understanding this correctly, women are simply toys for men, to be played with at their discretion. Obviously Monica Miller has not done very much research about what happens when women are allowed to be treated as equal members of society. It kind of blows her case out of the water. There are areas of this world in which both men and women are treated as complete equals, despite incredible impoverished conditions. They are educated together, they share decisions and they the share the same types of work. Because of this empowerment, not only are both the men and women happier, they enjoy SMALLER family sizes due to women being allowed to have empowerment over HER body. Women in those societies are seen as people, and not baby factories.

 

rnk6670

(29 posts)
155. Is it just me ......
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 06:36 PM
Oct 2015

Or does she, like seriously, need to get laid for fucks sake? Admittedly I'm no expert, but in my experience fucking is pretty fucking fun. So much so, I do as much of it as I can. With my wife, with our friends, watching my wife with our friends.......... The puritan, shame filled version of the joyous activity that we call sex is offensive. Sex is allowed. I can't help you if you're afraid to fuck and cum, but keep your insecure, neurotic proclivities to yourself. Sexual pleasure and the act of seeking it out is part of the process that keeps the species going. If getting your ass pounded till you're wet and quivering doesn't sound like a great idea and rather you liken it to the necessary, if un-enjoyable task of unclogging a toilet then you are an enormously sad person.

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
159. I hate seeing people try to foist off Puritanical prudery on
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 12:06 AM
Oct 2015

the rest of us. We've got to stop being so hung up about sex, and we've got to stop being so misogynistic in our policy choices. Planned Parenthood is fine. They help thousands of people.

Leave them alone.

Leftist AF

(1 post)
162. SOURCE!
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:38 PM
Oct 2015

Link to source <https://avemariaradio.net/audio_archive/catholic-connection-october-6-2015-hour-2/ >
Relevant audio starts at 32:05. The quote is taken (verbatim) from an interview of Monica Miller on "Catholic Connection," a program of Ave Maria Radio. In the interview, Miller and the host discuss the purpose and scope of the organized Planned Parenthood Protests.

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