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Response to ancianita (Original post)

draa

(975 posts)
2. Well, I believe you're wrong.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jan 2016

I don't think you give people enough credit. White or Black. People aren't blind. They see what's going on. They see the Racism and Violence directed at our youth. The see the Institutional Injustice directed at our people. They see entire generations being left behind. And now, they see someone who's willing to help. Bernie Sanders is the ONLY one willing to help.

edit: This post was directed at the deleted post above. I'm going to leave it because it still fits this OP. Thanks.

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
3. New Poll Shows ‘Surging’ Sanders Losing Ground With the Voter Group He Needs Most
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jan 2016

And Sanders is still not polling well with African American or Latino voters and so maybe he needs to change what he is doing http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/poll-sanders-gains-stop-short-of-minorities.html#


Team Sanders is certainly focused on the problem, with a variety of campaign efforts focused on minority voters in the works. The talking points they are putting out there, however, are less than convincing, as I learned as a guest on the public radio show "To the Point" yesterday, when I heard a Sanders supporter argue that an Iowa win would greatly boost Bernie's African-American support just like it did for Obama in South Carolina in 2008. The idea that Sanders's potential to win the black vote in South Carolina is analogous to that of the first African-American president does not pass the laugh test. Still, any early-state win for Sanders, even in exceptionally honkified Iowa and New Hampshire, will likely create some sort of generalized bounce. The question is how high, and how loyal minority voters prove to be to Hillary Clinton, her husband, and her implicit ally Barack Obama. It's worth remembering that she defeated Barack Obama handily among Latinos in 2008, and that Bill Clinton enjoyed robust support in both communities.

Monmouth University has a new national poll out that casts some fascinating, if very preliminary, light on this subject. Compared to its poll in December, Monmouth shows Sanders making pretty big gains: Clinton was up 59-to-26 last month, and only 52-to-37 now. But among black and Latino voters, Clinton has actually expanded her lead from 61-to-18 to 71-to-21. In other words, a legitimate "Sanders surge" nationally has coincided with a deterioration of his standing with the voters he will most need for a breakthrough after the first two contests of the primary season.

Sanders is actually losing ground with African American voters and Sanders' current tactics are not evidently working.

Sanders will not be the nominee unless he can expand his base of supporters

ancianita

(36,039 posts)
4. As I recall from eight years ago, none of my black friends had much confidence in Obama, either.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jan 2016

I agree that Bernie's got more work to do. That said, why is no one -- including black people -- faulting any other candidate but Bernie for amount and quality of outreach. The other candidates only have more media coverage; their outreach is decidedly much less.

Bernie's got Cornell West and Killer Mike stumping for him with their people. So, I'm thinking that with polls, we see more of what we want to see rather than more of what's widespreading reality.

That said, I posted the ad because of its production values and message. To win everyone is Bernie's goal, and there's still time for the 79% who are not angry white Republican men to give him a look.

In my opinion, the Internet is still the place to look for his African American support.

https://www.facebook.com/AfricanAmericansForBernie/

Thanks for your substantive response. Much appreciated.

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
6. Lets see how Sanders does in South Carolina and the Super Tuesday states
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jan 2016

Support on the internet does not translate into votes

ancianita

(36,039 posts)
7. It certainly did through the Plouffe campaign method, which, I hope you know, Bernie's been using.
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jan 2016

Here's another group doing some on-the-ground work in increasing this FDR wing of the party.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MZGzbSWESE8t18GGzrgc2FfL0b5tz-vmNf-F_-w5yN4/htmlview

ancianita

(36,039 posts)
5. Cenk reminds us of all the arguments made about Obama eight years ago. Think about how we
Thu Jan 21, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jan 2016

are when we're hoping. I support this argument.

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