Edited Version of FBI Video of Joint FBI and OSP Operation 01/26/2016 (tarpman's shooting)

[uppityperson]

Last edited Thu Jan 28, 2016, 10:58 PM - Edit history (1)

It is an edited version of the longer one. They drive for a couple minutes, then cut the 3+ min they sit still, then drive again. About 6 min mark is where tarpman drives into the snowbank, gets out of his car. He raises his hands, then reaches for his waist several times and is shot.

It is from a distance, but is clear enough to see him move his arms and drop onto the snow.

ETA "Bretzing said Finicum had a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun in that pocket."

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/fbi_to_release_video_footage_o.html#incart_maj-story-1

Scroll down for the vid

[Lucky Luciano]

1. What a maroon!

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Hmmmm. Didn't look like much of a threat.

I've got no sympathy for these idiots but that guy was killed for nothing.

[TrollBuster9090]

4. Hard to tell from that distance. He did initially have his hands up, but then started grabbing

near his waist, like he was going for a weapon. *Shrug* But it's true, this video doesn't exactly vindicate the Police version of the story.

[Zambero]

9. He pulled and waved a pistol after an initial gesture of surrender

Only then was fire directed at him the the law enforcement agent located uphill. Predictable results.

[tabasco]

5. Bull fuckin' shit.

He lowered his arms and was fuckin' around with his coat, looks like to me. I don't blame the officer for saying, "I'm going home to my wife today." If he kept his arms up, he'd be alive.

[avebury]

12. He did have a semi-automatic pistol that he was reaching for. nt

[uppityperson]

7. I guess threatening to kill FBI and then reaching for your waist after driving past 1 roadblock

and trying to go around another isn't such a good idea. I'm glad they have this video but imagine it'll turn into whatever the viewer wants it to in too many cases.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

11. The cop coming out of the trees from behind surprised him. He turned and went for his gun.

[cab67]

16. According to the Washington Post,

he was reaching for a pocket in his jacket. A 9 mm was found in that pocket.


I don't like that he was shot, and I agree that he didn't look like much of a threat from the aerial footage. I wish he'd been winged instead of killed. But my guess - and it's only that, a guess - is that the FBI officers were ordering him to get on his knees. That's generally what happens in situations like this. Suspects - especially those suspected of being armed or otherwise dangerous - are immobilized as much as possible before they're arrested. Instead, he reached for a pocket. He was known to keep handguns on his person and had already declared his unwillingness to be arrested. He also came damn close to running over one of the agents as he drove into the snow. So as tragic as this was, I can understand how it may have happened.

[passiveporcupine]

18. from Oregon Live

A video released by the FBI on Thursday evening appears to show Robert "LaVoy" Finicum reaching for a pocket that police say contained a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun.

[Warren Stupidity]

29. I am aware of what the official narrative is.

What I saw didn't unequivocally match that narrative.

In general I am against summary execution, even of white rightwing dumbasfuckers.

[passiveporcupine]

34. From such a distance, it's impossible to know for sure

But it looked to me like he tried to run into the forest and when an agent popped up there he didn't know what to do, then he decided he was NOT going to jail, and reached for his pocket, knowing what the results would be. They knew he was armed before shooting.

I can understand wanting to die rather than go to jail...especially at his age. I would prefer death to jail myself.

And now it sounds like the four remaining at the refuge have chosen that path too. I can't help but wonder why people choose to die like this, unless it's because they can't face the prospect of going to jail. I think going to jail would be hell for anyone.

[passiveporcupine]

35. I just watched the film on oregon live again

this time is was an edited down clip, so shorter, but closer in and in slow mo. If you watch carefully, Finicum runs toward the forest until he sees an agent with a gun, then he turns with his arms up, back toward the truck...then he fumbles around with his arms down (for what purpose we don't know), and then turns back toward the agent in the forest who shoots him.

Consider this. The agent in the forest knows he's armed, and sees him fumbling for something with his arms down from behind, but can't see what he's actually doing, because he's only seeing him from the back. Then Finicum turns back toward him, without raising his arms in surrender, so he is probably assuming Finicum has armed himself and is turning to shoot him. Finicum does not have his arms raised in surrender at that point. I can't blame the agent for this.

I don't think Finicum found his gun or whatever he was reaching for...but I really can't blame the agent.

the video is here:

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_video_of_lavoy.html#incart_maj-story-1

[Shankapotomus]

31. He almost hit an agent

with his vehicle.

[TrollBuster9090]

3. Wow, it looks like one of the FBI guys came within inches of being hit by the truck.

Sad end for Finicum. (For anybody.)

[L. Coyote]

6. Yes, first he nearly killed a LEO with his vehicle. Fortunately, he didn't get others killed.

[center]

[passiveporcupine]

19. Never did see what happened to the guy he almost ran over

I think he's still under the truck.

Sorry...gallows humor.

[Shankapotomus]

32. If you look closely

he gets up and moves behind the silver truck.

[uppityperson]

10. I missed that, did it full screen and indeed. I don't celebrate the death of anyone

I am glad the y'all qadas are mostly gone from the refuge. Threatening as they did is not in any way ok.

[ffr]

28. I saw that too. He nearly kills someone with his truck

Then he doesn't follow LEO instructions.

Then he reaches into his jacket...

...BAD MOVE, when they already clearly know it's you LaVoy (3 minutes watching you sit in your truck a few miles back), know you're armed, know you've made threats of using your gun, then you bolt off at a high rate of speed, cross into oncoming lanes, you're driving so out of control and recklessly. Stupid ass!

Is it any wonder he's dead? Not to me.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

8. He didn't expect the cop to come from behind.....

Also it looks like the truck hit an officer as it slid into the ditch. I'm sure the cop got an earful about stepping out from behind cover the way he did. He's lucky to be alive.

[avebury]

17. Th authorities were very smart to put a State Trooper in the woods.

The authorities just totally outplayed these yahoos.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. You can bet he circled around so as to not leave obvious tracks in the snow.

[TrollBuster9090]

24. I don't think he got an earful. It looked like a judgment call to me.

He was standing behind the black pickup truck for cover, and it looked like the white truck was going to run right into it at full speed. So, he got out from behind it so he wouldn't get run over. Then the white truck turned at the last minute. *Shrug*

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. You may be right.

[Indepatriot]

13. No sympathy. Sure looks like he was going for his sidearm.

[uppityperson]

14. "Bretzing said Finicum had a loaded 9 mm semi-automatic handgun in that pocket."

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/fbi_to_release_video_footage_o.html#incart_maj-story-1

[avebury]

15. He had a semi-automatic pistol on him.

Per the FBI Statement, there were three other loaded weapons in that vehicle.

[Grassy Knoll]

20. Should Have Stopped The First Time....

Driving off with 3 other people in the truck could have gotten
the rest shot up, what a stupid move.
Suicide by cop was his wish, Mission Accomplished.

[TeeYiYi]

22. He made his play...

He knew what he was doing and how it was going to end.

TYY

[63splitwindow]

23. He was "all in" until he ceased to exist. What he asked for. n/t

[Angel Martin]

27. like all of these police shootings

refuse to comply with police instructions...

pay the price

[W T F]

30. Look like they had no choice but to shoot him, after all........

He might have tried to sell them lose cigarettes.

[Shankapotomus]

33. For all the agents knew,

after an entrance like that, he could have had a detonator in his jacket and a truck packed with explosives.