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PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)
Baobab
(4,667 posts)in case the truth came out, that they were setting us up for the GATS kill. US meaning the WHOLE WORLD.
GATS is still killing public services, for example, it just killed the former right to public education in India in 2015, 20 years after it was signed here
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)push single payer which was more of a fantasy then than it is now. Because of those who were against any federal program, and those like Sanders who wouldn't bend, it was 15 years before anyone would touch healthcare. People literally died for the lack of support.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)she nows how hard it was to get obamacare and plans to expand on it and make it better.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Read this paper on just how many times they have tried everything.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)which limits health care to basically just what they are doing now, and even makes FTA illegal most of the ACA. Big chunks of the ACA will likely be rolldback by the WTO within a year or two after the election. For example, the part limiting profits of health insurers and the prohibition against medical underwriting are both regulations likely to be subjected to rollback because they violate something called a standstill clause in a 1998 trade deal that bars any new regulations on financial services, health insurance is a financial service, clearly.
But at the same time, the market will be opened up forever to global competition and a huge flood of really cheap workers from developing countries even doctors and nurses will allow them to increase profitability while lowering costs.
the below is just a small piece of a much much larger, huge huge deal - they have been working on this for 20 years!
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Understanding on Commitments in Financial Services
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Participants in the Uruguay Round have been enabled to take on specific commitments with respect to financial services under the General Agreement on Trade in Services (hereinafter referred to as the “Agreement”) on the basis of an alternative approach to that covered by the provisions of Part III of the Agreement. It was agreed that this approach could be applied subject to the following understanding:
(i) it does not conflict with the provisions of the Agreement;
(ii) it does not prejudice the right of any Member to schedule its specific commitments in accordance with the approach under Part III of the Agreement;
(iii) resulting specific commitments shall apply on a most-favoured-nation basis;
(iv) no presumption has been created as to the degree of liberalization to which a Member is committing itself under the Agreement.
Interested Members, on the basis of negotiations, and subject to conditions and qualifications where specified, have inscribed in their schedule specific commitments conforming to the approach set out below.
A. Standstill
Any conditions, limitations and qualifications to the commitments noted below shall be limited to existing non-conforming measures.
B. Market Access
Monopoly Rights
1. In addition to Article VIII of the Agreement, the following shall apply:
Each Member shall list in its schedule pertaining to financial services existing monopoly rights and shall endeavour to eliminate them or reduce their scope. Notwithstanding subparagraph 1(b) of the Annex on Financial Services, this paragraph applies to the activities referred to in subparagraph 1(b)(iii) of the Annex.
Financial Services purchased by Public Entities
2. Notwithstanding Article XIII of the Agreement, each Member shall ensure that financial service suppliers of any other Member established in its territory are accorded most-favoured-nation treatment and national treatment as regards the purchase or acquisition of financial services by public entities of the Member in its territory.
Cross-border Trade
3. Each Member shall permit non-resident suppliers of financial services to supply, as a principal, through an intermediary or as an intermediary, and under terms and conditions that accord national treatment, the following services:
(a) insurance of risks relating to:
(i) maritime shipping and commercial aviation and space launching and freight (including satellites), with such insurance to cover any or all of the following: the goods being transported, the vehicle transporting the goods and any liability arising therefrom; and
(ii) goods in international transit;
(b) reinsurance and retrocession and the services auxiliary to insurance as referred to in subparagraph 5(a)(iv) of the Annex;
(c) provision and transfer of financial information and financial data processing as referred to in subparagraph 5(a)(xv) of the Annex and advisory and other auxiliary services, excluding intermediation, relating to banking and other financial services as referred to in subparagraph 5(a)(xvi) of the Annex.
4. Each Member shall permit its residents to purchase in the territory of any other Member the financial services indicated in:
(a) subparagraph 3(a);
(b) subparagraph 3(b); and
(c) subparagraphs 5(a)(v) to (xvi) of the Annex.
Commercial Presence
5. Each Member shall grant financial service suppliers of any other Member the right to establish or expand within its territory, including through the acquisition of existing enterprises, a commercial presence.
6. A Member may impose terms, conditions and procedures for authorization of the establishment and expansion of a commercial presence in so far as they do not circumvent the Member’s obligation under paragraph 5 and they are consistent with the other obligations of the Agreement.
New Financial Services
7. A Member shall permit financial service suppliers of any other Member established in its territory to offer in its territory any new financial service.
Transfers of Information and Processing of Information
8. No Member shall take measures that prevent transfers of information or the processing of financial information, including transfers of data by electronic means, or that, subject to importation rules consistent with international agreements, prevent transfers of equipment, where such transfers of information, processing of financial information or transfers of equipment are necessary for the conduct of the ordinary business of a financial service supplier. Nothing in this paragraph restricts the right of a Member to protect personal data, personal privacy and the confidentiality of individual records and accounts so long as such right is not used to circumvent the provisions of the Agreement.
Temporary Entry of Personnel
9. (a) Each Member shall permit temporary entry into its territory of the following personnel of a financial service supplier of any other Member that is establishing or has established a commercial presence in the territory of the Member:
(i) senior managerial personnel possessing proprietary information essential to the establishment, control and operation of the services of the financial service supplier; and
(ii) specialists in the operation of the financial service supplier.
(b) Each Member shall permit, subject to the availability of qualified personnel in its territory, temporary entry into its territory of the following personnel associated with a commercial presence of a financial service supplier of any other Member:
(i) specialists in computer services, telecommunication services and accounts of the financial service supplier; and
(ii) actuarial and legal specialists.
Non-discriminatory Measures
10. Each Member shall endeavour to remove or to limit any significant adverse effects on financial service suppliers of any other Member of:
(a) non-discriminatory measures that prevent financial service suppliers from offering in the Member’s territory, in the form determined by the Member, all the financial services permitted by the Member;
(b) non-discriminatory measures that limit the expansion of the activities of financial service suppliers into the entire territory of the Member;
(c) measures of a Member, when such a Member applies the same measures to the supply of both banking and securities services, and a financial service supplier of any other Member concentrates its activities in the provision of securities services; and
(d) other measures that, although respecting the provisions of the Agreement, affect adversely the ability of financial service suppliers of any other Member to operate, compete or enter the Member’s market;
provided that any action taken under this paragraph would not unfairly discriminate against financial service suppliers of the Member taking such action.
11. With respect to the non-discriminatory measures referred to in subparagraphs 10(a) and (b), a Member shall endeavour not to limit or restrict the present degree of market opportunities nor the benefits already enjoyed by financial service suppliers of all other Members as a class in the territory of the Member, provided that this commitment does not result in unfair discrimination against financial service suppliers of the Member applying such measures.
C. National Treatment
1. Under terms and conditions that accord national treatment, each Member shall grant to financial service suppliers of any other Member established in its territory access to payment and clearing systems operated by public entities, and to official funding and refinancing facilities available in the normal course of ordinary business. This paragraph is not intended to confer access to the Member’s lender of last resort facilities.
2. When membership or participation in, or access to, any self-regulatory body, securities or futures exchange or market, clearing agency, or any other organization or association, is required by a Member in order for financial service suppliers of any other Member to supply financial services on an equal basis with financial service suppliers of the Member, or when the Member provides directly or indirectly such entities, privileges or advantages in supplying financial services, the Member shall ensure that such entities accord national treatment to financial service suppliers of any other Member resident in the territory of the Member.
D. Definitions
For the purposes of this approach:
1. A non-resident supplier of financial services is a financial service supplier of a Member which supplies a financial service into the territory of another Member from an establishment located in the territory of another Member, regardless of whether such a financial service supplier has or has not a commercial presence in the territory of the Member in which the financial service is supplied.
2. “Commercial presence” means an enterprise within a Member’s territory for the supply of financial services and includes wholly- or partly-owned subsidiaries, joint ventures, partnerships, sole proprietorships, franchising operations, branches, agencies, representative offices or other organizations.
3. A new financial service is a service of a financial nature, including services related to existing and new products or the manner in which a product is delivered, that is not supplied by any financial service supplier in the territory of a particular Member but which is supplied in the territory of another Member.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)LOL
Baobab
(4,667 posts)eal locked up what states could do a great deal, they could only do things that conform to it which isnt much.
Please dont tell anybody, okay! This seems to be a really big secret.
One 27 year old person, he was a brilliant law student, who wrote one really good paper about it...
.... well..
this other paper is about it but its from Canada.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)in the 90s. Not sure this post works for you as much as against you.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)as Bernie. Worse than a standard 180 flip flop.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)basically, thats a fairly good way to describe the problem.. the fact is, the last year when more than half (>50%) of the full time working people in the US could afford adequate nongroup health insurance coverage to prevent bankruptcy was 1992.
Now its less than 10% I suspect. Its really amazing that they have managed to prevent the lack of validity from being more obvious.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)I guess its kind of "Ghetto".
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)no idea who that is till now. Meh.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)what I'm saying. See how vigorously and enthusiastically I don't care about either?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)the number of my posts, if its to DU then its open to interpretation. Don't CHA think?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)I have been a Liberal much longer than Bernie Sanders has for example.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Was it politically advantageous then?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)but if I did, a night like tonight would be the way to roll. 
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)and since your not the first person to come up with that quote, what does that make you?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)too bad. I'm enjoying tonight. 
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)that Clinton might take Missouri too.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)
Good luck!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)I never would have guessed.
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)as I'm not a Castro boy, I'm good with it. Hey after tonight, do you think "Goldwater Girl" is caught on yet? 
Baobab
(4,667 posts)He was really nice to the (must have been between when i was around nine and thirteen) year old me.
it was actually a big thing for me because he was a ham and he showed me his ham shack.. (which i could hear when he was using his radio which was a lot. his apartment overlooked a swimming pool I spent a lot of time playing in). he had what must have been a summer apartment in another state than Arizona.
i think that was after he had lost the presidential election.
reading about his ham activities, he spent a lot of time setting up phone patches between servicemen in Vietnam and their families back here in the US.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)world a "level playing field" for corporations with people just the little speed bumps- like zits to be popped!
of course not.... (OH NO, THEY'RE ON TO ME!)
(Shoot, that was my Bernie Supporter on March 15th gif.)