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Related: About this forumPlease Don't Tell Me Bill Clinton Really Just Said '...The Awful Legacy of the Last Eight Years'
"...there may be many reasons that you dont want to support her, he said.
But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe weve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that when we were practicing trickle-down economics and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her, Clinton finished.
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adding earlier clip for context.... he gives summary of President Obama's latest State of the Union...
He describes how Obama's State of the Union creates a rosy picture that, apparently, Americans were left just staring at, but not a part of....
"The problem with that beautiful picture of the future is that today, most Americans can stare at that picture and they cannot find themselves in it, to save their lives."
The Clintons apparently have decided they'll get more votes running away from President Obama at this point than embracing him. They'll say he did an okay job, but most of it was wishful thinking and painting, as Bill calls it a 'beautiful picture'.
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I haven't seen him speak in quite a while, but in addition to his bizarre argument, he seems to lack the sort of poise he once had.
Truthfully, I feel kind of sorry for him.
ffr
(22,668 posts)See full context videos below.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32
indivisibleman
(482 posts)Hekate
(90,633 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)for voting.
So many things wrong with that post, I'm not even touching it. But it explains why you might think people here haven't done their homework. You have a very odd perspective on things.
Oh, I will say one thing. If you forced every eligible citizen in the US to vote, Hillary would never win the nomination. A lot of people who don't bother voting would actually side with progressive ideas.
I saw enough in the longer clip in the OP to know that no matter what else Bill shoved into his speech, he was throwing Obama under the bus.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)He's talking about obstructionism and Hillary will ride Bernie's unicorn to Congress and lead the Republicans in a rousing version of kumbaya before compromising her way to slight incremental victory.
And about all those bribes well... No one wants to see how sausage is made... But isn't it yummy.
Unless you're the American public... I mean the pig.
..
It's all nonsense though. Clinton was just trashing Obama again. Maybe he thinks Obama should be relegated back to Bag Carrier and Chief.
I mean he's not a Muslim... As far as I know.
senz
(11,945 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Game Change Excerpt: Bill Clinton On Obama: A Few Years Ago, This Guy Would Have Been Getting Us Coffee
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/10/game-change-bill-clinton-_n_417546.html
Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), and a group of other senators who would back Hillary Clintons candidacy encouraged Obama to run for the White House as early as 2006. The concern over Clinton was that she would be a weak Democratic standard-bearer while Obama could energize the party. In late summer 2007, Schumer using an Obama ally, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), as a back channel pushed the candidate to take a two-by-four to Hillary, as the authors put it.
In lobbying the late Sen. Ted Kennedy to endorse his wife, former President Bill Clinton angered the liberal icon by belittling Obama. Telling a friend about the conversation, Kennedy recalled Clinton had said a few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee, the authors paraphrase. A spokesman for the former president declined to comment on the claim.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2010/01/book-obama-biden-clashed-in-08-031302#ixzz43asZlbJo
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pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:22 PM - Edit history (1)
The Rethugs have been engaged in nothing but obstructionism since the day Obama took office.
ffr
(22,668 posts)to mean something else. You may have been duped. OP has not commented on or defended his first post. You might want to consider that.
Full 45 minute speech here ==> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)I was saying that it wasn't a canned response -- that it was true that Clinton was referring to Repub obstructionism.
840high
(17,196 posts)some sweet tea and lots of sunshine.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)BSS still smearing. Envy is an ugly emotion
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)That's a good ouch I should add.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)jalan48
(13,855 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)I mean "bull" and "horn"? I think Viagra should use them in commercials.
jalan48
(13,855 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)without having someone else read that over
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)To Obama's legacy before he even leaves office. And this is what they say during the primary season.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)He was obviously playing both sides of that statement -- he's done it before wtih his Jesse Jackson comment about Obama's candidacy.
MFM008
(19,804 posts)he started going a bit bonkers. The arteriosclerosis narrowing was affecting his brain and his kidneys were beginning to fail. His personality changed and not for the better. Bill doesn't look good and doesn't sound good. I wonder.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)She was wonderful in the AM but by midnight she wandered around the house screaming for help.
It was heart breaking. Sorry that you had to go through that.
MFM008
(19,804 posts)You as well.
peace13
(11,076 posts)I caught @ell for saying that a couple of years ago. It could be the combination but either way he has issues.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Bill Clintons Madness: A Consequence of Heart-Bypass Surgery Brain Damage
We Need to Understand and Show Some Compassion
One of the savviest politicians of our generation, known for his wit, charm, and calm under extreme pressure, Bill Clinton appears out of character in the speeches and interviews televised since his bypass surgery September 6, 2004 and his mental deterioration may be accelerating. Remember, this is the president who withstood public impeachment before the entire world for his relationship with Monica Lewinski without once losing control. Now, he is easily angered by hecklers, and makes factual mistakes and racial slurs while aggressively defending his wifes campaign for presidency. Everyone sees his mental and emotional decline, yet to date, no medical professionals have spoken out about the cause or offered help.
Not a single one not one bypass surgeon, cardiologist or psychiatrist has stepped forward in his defense; even though all of them are trained to recognize post bypass surgery cognitive dysfunction. One of the best-kept secrets in medicine is the brain damage caused during bypass surgery. During my 40 years of medical practice I have never heard a doctor warn a patient before bypass surgery that an expected complication is memory loss. After surgery when the family complains of dads fits of anger, I have never heard a doctor admit that personality change is a common consequence of surgery. Yet these well-recognized side effects have been reported in medical journals since 1969.1
Brain damage during bypass surgery is so common that hospital personnel refer to it as pump head. The primary cause is emboli produced during surgery from clamping the aorta and from the heart-lung machine. This machine pumps blood to keep the patient alive while the heart is stopped during the operation. Unfortunately, this pump also introduces toxic gases, fat globules, and bits of plastic debris into the bloodstream of the patient under anesthesia. Once they are in the bloodstream, these particles migrate to the brain where they can clog capillaries and prevent adequate amounts of blood and oxygen from flowing to the brain. Essentially, all patients experience brain emboli during surgery and for many the damage is permanent.
In 2001, an article in the New England Journal of Medicine reported that 5-years after bypass surgery 42% of patients showed decline in mental function of approximately 20 percent or more.2 A study published this year (2008) in the Annals of Thoracic Surgery using MRI testing just after bypass surgery found brain damage in 51% of patients.3 Three years after their time on the bypass pump, significant permanent reduction in mental capacity was identified in 31% of patients. I am not talking major stroke here; but these patients cant remember names or numbers as they once did, experience sleep disturbances (including nightmares), suffer mood swings, and lose intellectual acuity. Approximately 30 percent of people suffer persistent depression and some even contemplate suicide.
Our former president needs our understanding and support. A simple explanation by his doctors of the cause of his recent aberrant behaviors should bring peace of mind to Hillary and her campaign staff. If Mr. Clinton better understood his current limitations, he and his staff could take precautionary steps to avoid embarrassments. A long-overdue explanation would help his adoring public more easily accept his mistakes and readily forgive him. It is not your fault, Mr. Clinton.
1) Hill JD, Aguilar MJ, Baranco A, de Lanerolle P, Gerbode F. Neuropathological manifestations of cardiac surgery. Ann Thorac Surg. 1969 May;7(5):409-19.
2) Newman MF, Kirchner JL, Phillips-Bute B, Gaver V, Grocott H, Jones RH, Mark DB, Reves JG, Blumenthal JA; Longitudinal assessment of neurocognitive function after coronary-artery bypass surgery. N Engl J Med. 2001 Feb 8;344(6):395-402.9 Link » (pdf)
3) Knipp SC, Matatko N, Wilhelm H, Schlamann M, Thielmann M, Lösch C, Diener HC, Jakob H. Cognitive outcomes three years after coronary artery bypass surgery: relation to diffusion-weighted magnetic resonance imaging. Ann Thorac Surg. 2008 Mar;85(3):872-9.
peace13
(11,076 posts)He was a glass scientist before the surgery. He didn't die but he was never the same. He could walk about and talk about volatile species but he was not able to cope with the interpersonal aspects of life. Life was hard for my friend and his family.
I don't blame President Clinton but the campaign is responsible for the damage he does. He shouldn't be collecting money and possibly promising things that can not be delivered. This mis speak today should come with an apology.
pugetres
(507 posts)was something that nurses would ask about when patients came out of CVICU a bit on the goofy side. The time does seem to be a factor but the very act of clamping an atherosclerotic aorta can cause the brain to be showered with microemboli. The effects are noticeable within a short time after recovery of surgery.
But, his surgery was quite a while back and he seemed to be running on all cylinders until recently. There shouldn't be a sudden loss of function now due to his past cardiac bypass.
Something seems different but I'm supposing that it is a combination of his health, schedule, diet, stress...
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I'm going to refrain from making any diagnoses, although you know I want to.
ffr
(22,668 posts)by a GOP hit piece, red meat for Clinton haters, as it's only 39 seconds to take a message of inclusion out of context.
See the full speech here ==> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Sincere love and sympathies,
Betty
debunction.junction
(127 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)What a foul thing to do.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)That would be the honest and decent thing to do.
ffr
(22,668 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Didn't Hillary say she plans to continue the policies of President Obama? If that's the case, what he is saying still doesn't make sense.
Hekate
(90,633 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)When banking was deregulated, telecommunications deregulated, NAFTA approved, welfare defored . . . .
And the twelve years before that, too, when we only had Republicans to blame for Reaganomics. Then came the DLC and Reaganomics became bipartisan.
That's 36 years of bad government that needs to be undone.
It's why I don't trust Hillary, but she is still better than Trump or Cruz.
ffr
(22,668 posts)As well as bashing Republicans for their obstructionism and 2016 clown car.
Here ==> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)There was a power outage in this part of town when you posted that and then the videos on the KXLY website kept clashing the plugin. I finally saw them on YouTube this morning and I post them here:
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I appreciate Mr. Clinton's mea culpa for mass incarceration and, as far as it goes, I like the ideas he expresses here about what to do about the problems created by it. Just as many people (like everyone in Greece) is laboring to repay an odious debt, the mass incarceration has created problems out of what might be called odious imprisonment. Let's not just reform police, but the entire justice system. Let's see if we can in some orderly way wipe the slate clean for nonviolent drug offenders who were caught up in the anti-crime frenzy of the eighties and nineties.
His idea to start solar power businesses on Native American reservations is a good one.
I do not believe that Dodd-Frank is the elixer for all that is wrong with the financial industry as both Mr. and Mrs. Clinton seem to believe it is. I'm sorry, but a candidate who takes the kind of money from crooked bankers that Mrs. Clinton does is untrustworthy. That is a fact, not a smear. I would feel a lot better about her if she were more willing to step on the toes of Legs Dimon, Pretty Boy Lloyd, Machine Gun Moynihan and other Wall Street criminals, prosecute them and put them away for the rest of their natural lives. I would like to see the regulatory status quo ante restored to as it was before passage of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, including the reinstatement of Glass-Steagal. Anything short of this just isn't serious. The fact that Mrs. Clinton has not committed to more than she has is simply more evidence of her untrustworthniness.
I didn't hear Mr. Clinton address Citizens United or campaign finance reform. Did I miss something? The political corruption that infects the body politic in America today is not going to be alleviated as long as corporate money is allowed to flow freely though the system. In spite of what the shysters on the Supreme Court said, a large campaign contribution gives the appearance of impropriety and there is effectively no difference between a generous campaign contribution and a bribe. Corporations are not people and have no business influencing the people's government. I have more in common with my cat, an organic being made of flesh and blood, than I have with a corporation, a fictitious entity made of legal documents.
The system is crooked. Mrs. Clinton engages in the system as it is, which doesn't inspire me to trust her. It simply makes her part of the problem. She is committed to continuing the economic model now called neoliberalism, but was once called Reaganomics or voodoo economics. Since I am not one to believe that doing the same thing over and over will yeald different results, I must conclude that at the end of Mrs. Clinton's presidency there will an even wider income gap and more jobs shipped even elsewhere. I don't kno0w about you, but I don't think I would call that a job well done.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Brother_Love
(82 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,698 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)Obama just went under the Clinton bus....
ffr
(22,668 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)but I saw her and Bill's outrage at Obama, and I saw signs in 2011 of her intention to challenge him in 2012, and I saw the brittleness with which they treated each other on camera -- insincere smiles, stilted body language -- and I have heard her subtle and not-so-subtle criticisms of Obama's foreign policy.
So it comes as no surprise that Bill finally spilled the beans on their undying resentment of President Obama.
Mira
(22,380 posts)I'm too stunned to have any other words. Except for that when I was at the polls last Tuesday, doing canvassing, I kept hoping Bill Clinton would show up. I would be famous now
shawn703
(2,702 posts)No more need for the Clintons to continue to wrap themselves in Obama's legacy, now that that tactic has outlived its usefulness.
Time to "pivot toward the GE" and show the voters the type of candidate those speaking fees really bought.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,439 posts)I shudder to think of the messes he'll make.
DrBulldog
(841 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)I.E., Reagan 2.0 for the next eight years.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)segment on the Clinton's like and dislike list...
revbones
(3,660 posts)Odd that. They seem to have a deflection for everything. Is this the straw that broke the camel's back or something?
ffr
(22,668 posts)to slam the Clinton's on. See below. You can watch the full 45 minute speech and decide for yourself. His speeches all begin with an idea he builds on to complete his closing message, as most speeches are done.
Red meet hit piece. Nothing more. Nothing less.
revbones
(3,660 posts)And I think you misread the context.
That said, looking over the number of posts and cross-posts from Hillary supporters whenever Bernie does anything, I think it's a bit hypocritical.
ffr
(22,668 posts)unless they're labeled. Who am I? Bernie or Hillary supporter. I'll save you the trouble, I'm both. I support both. I'll vote for either. I love them both. They are both admirable people who will make a great presidential representative for our United States. In fact, I support both Hillary and Bernie supports and wish them all the best, encouraging them to find more supporters so we can eventually run these scum bag Republis out of office.
As it turns out, I was right about OP being a RW hit piece, which means that your rebuttal to my post seems to place you in the category of all those who jumped onto this Clinton bashing bandwagon hastily and now you are the one with egg on your face. I hope the shame burns long enough for you to become more skeptical in the future.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)It was the typical underhanded Clinton dig that they walkback later.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)How many people here have posted this out of context right wing hit piece? How many here have rec ed it?
The convention can't come too soon!
revbones
(3,660 posts)Just look in the Hillary group for all the Bernie posts...
ffr
(22,668 posts)There are trolls working both sides to make haters between the two sides. I love Bernie and I love Hillary. They're both great people who would do well as president. And I vigorously support Bernie supporters voicing their candidates message in a positive way.
Let's make sure that the next president is a democrat. That's all that matters. Anything else is too awful to imagine.
I don't agree with your view of Hillary. At this point in time, it's unlikely that I would vote for her if she wins. I could have before Jan, but not now after seeing who she really is. Maybe that'll change by Nov, but it's unlikely.
Abstaining from voting for her if that is the result, also doesn't mean that I won't vote for Democrats in down-ticket races (although, I'd have a really hard time supporting any candidate that supported Hillary).
I think this year is going to be different. Some people aren't going to be able to get over watching her blatantly lie, not when it's so easy to look things up on the Internet during the debates, etc... Bernie fans like Bernie because of policies and don't idolize him like a cult leader. Just because he endorses someone, it won't change the fact that many of his supporters think for themselves and saw who Hillary truly is.
For the inevitable jurors, once the alerting Hillary supporter wakes from their fainting:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."
ffr
(22,668 posts)like the rest of us will. We have two excellent candidates and you're going to make others suffer because you don't like one of the two.
Sad. I cannot imagine your mindset.
revbones
(3,660 posts)You mean one honest uncorrupt politician working for all Americans and one corrupt warmonger owned by Wall St then sure. Otherwise I cannot imagine your mindset...
Not voting for Hillary (if she is the nominee and someone doesn't vote for her in Nov) does absolutely nothing to make anyone else suffer.
ffr
(22,668 posts)Bernie is neither of those and neither is Hillary. Where is your evidence of such nonsense? Or are you just repeating what you heard on Fox News over the past 24 years? FYI, Fox News doesn't want either Bernie or Hillary to be president. You might want to consider that when you're absorbing their entertainment message.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)but I kind of agree with revbones on this one. Although, if it comes down Hillary vs Trump, I'll vote with my conscience and write-in Bernie. I'll sleep better at night knowing I voted for the best candidate.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Always vote your conscience over what others try to tell you.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)who watches the whole speech can see Clinton was talking about Republican obstructionism, not Obama.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Not seeing things your way is hardly a reason to call someone dishonest though.
I will say when someone tells so many lies as Hillary, it's got to have a trust effect on people so perhaps that's why they have a hard time seeing what you're talking about...
For the inevitable jurors:
The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:37 AM - Edit history (1)
and Hillary was the most truthful of the list, though Bernie was a close second. Both of them rated as far more truthful than any of the Repubs.
It's a GOP smear that Hillary is less honest than other politicians. She's, once again, being held to a different standard.
revbones
(3,660 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Politico? Really? They are conservative. And from which times did they analyze? I've never heard Bernie lie. I've seen Hillary do it more times than I can count. I'll be voting for the only candidate that can pass a polygraph and that's Bernie.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)I meant to say Politifact.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The truth is that in activist circles there never really were many Clinton supporters. She has her minions that have directly worked for her and other than that her votes come from name recognition.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)white voters and that's why they're being duped into strongly supporting her -- just because of name recognition.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Despicable. People of any color can vote based on name recognition. You only think that applies to white people? It applies to most people. The more time Bernie has to show people who he is the more they will vote for him. Do tell how supporting mass incarceration and private prisons is good for African-Americans. I'd love to hear your defense.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)for only reacting to name recognition, you're criticizing a group that is much more heavily minority than Bernie's supporters.
And it's despicable to accuse her supporters of being more ignorant than his. The public has had plenty of time to learn about him and most of them are saying, no thanks.
You mention mass incarceration and private prisons. Obviously, you haven't bothered to read her positions. She gave her first speech about these issues in the fall of 2014 -- months before she began running for President. Bernie waited till the following summer, after BLM interrupted his speeches on other topics.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/
End the era of mass incarceration, reform mandatory minimum sentences, and end private prisons.
Encourage the use of smart strategieslike police body camerasand end racial profiling to rebuild trust between law enforcement and communities.
Help formerly incarcerated individuals successfully re-enter society.
I will never stop working on issues of equality and opportunity, race, and justice. That is a promise. Ive done it my entire adult life. I will always be in your corner.
HILLARY, JULY 31, 2015
Hillary believes our criminal justice system is out of balance. In her first major speech of the campaign, she said we have to come to terms with some hard truths about race and justice in America and called for an end to the era of mass incarceration.
Read more: 9 things you should know about Hillary Clintons plan to reform our criminal justice system
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The definition of integrity is your words matching your actions. Hillary pushed draconian drug war actions. She also takes cash from the private prison industry. She won in the South. Let's see how the rest of the country votes. Do I think voters can make mistakes? Hell yes I do. Trying to say that's racist makes you look foolish and petty. Look at who SC nominated in the 2010 US Senate race. Most on DU thought it was election tampering. Seriously though I'd like you to defend that nomination.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)She has announced that any attempted donations from that industry would be returned.
And she doesn't push draconian drug war actions. That's not true either.
You seem to have a problem with accuracy.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I see nothing that says she will.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I did not see her change her stance in the fall. Thank God Bernie pressure got to her. Now we need to see if it's just election trickery or if she follows through in real life.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)that Bernie can't control -- millions spent on ads attacking Hillary, starting in Iowa -- just as she can't control super pac money spent on her behalf.
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)so she still takes private for profit prison money
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)Lobbyists are like lawyers (and often are lawyers): they represent multiple clients. Just because you hire a lobbyist who is also hired by someone else doesn't mean you have any other connection -- anymore than you are connected to your lawyer's other clients.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Everything she does is associated with deceit or subterfuge. She stopped taking money directly from private prisons in late October. Then turns out gets it anyway indirectly. I recall the military not being allowed to do research at my university that contributed to mass killing. So they gave money to an institution that then did it. It's called an end around. And I thought it was us who criticized rethugs for not being nuanced? By the way, she still took the cash for a decade. And people here excuse that? Excuses are for republicans.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I don't think she has a single problem with for-profit prisons, except they are not popular politically.
Fla Dem
(23,637 posts)Other than the satisfaction in your own mind that you've disabused their erroneous statements and accusations, they will not see reason or believe. They will twist each fact into a fairy tale that fits their world view, or they respond with snark and sarcasm. So for me it's akin to hitting my head on a stone wall. The best result will be at the Convention in Philadelphia on July 28th when Hillary Rodham Clinton steps up to the podium amid thunderous applause and says, "Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the Democratic Party's nomination to be their candidate for President of the United States." Mic drop.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It's exactly why I support Bernie. Obama flip flopped on NSA and telecom immunity before he was even sworn in. People have a right to be skeptical and not trust anyone. You can only be burned so many times.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)You might what to brush up.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Many African-Americans notice that. As a prominent Black DU critic of Sanders told me: I don't like Clinton either, but we can work with her. It is all about the machine.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)To attack Bernie Sanders is also reprehensible.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Like so many things before.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)We have so many of them on ignore.
revbones
(3,660 posts)Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)This means readership in Hollywood. Not good for Team Clinton!
http://www.thewrap.com/bill-clinton-rips-awful-legacy-of-the-last-8-years-video/
pugetres
(507 posts)I've no doubt in my mind now that he was referring to Obama and not the Congress as some are suggesting.
He really is a liability to her campaign.
ffr
(22,668 posts)beastie boy
(9,293 posts)right?
Then you can provide a satisfactory explanation as to how Obama's legacy of the last seven years became the awful legacy of eight years...
Unless, of course, Bill is talking about the awful economic legacy of the last eight years rather than Obama's legacy...
But that wouldn't fit your narrative, would it?
This whole thing reminds me of the way right wing media manipulate content to fit their narrative. They also show you a small snippet out of context and put their spin on it. Remember how much fun they had with Obama's "Muslim faith"?
ffr
(22,668 posts)And repeating a 0:39 second excerpt that has no other purpose than as a clinton hit piece to take a message out of context. His 45 minute speech was about Hillary's inclusion of everybody in the political process and how she's the best candidate going forward that can bring democrats, independents and republicans together. It was at a rally to encourage Hillary volunteers and how he feels Hillary is the best change maker. Not a message where he's taking down PBO. SHAME ON YOU!!!
Full speech in 3 parts that builds on those ideas of inclusion:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3 - 0:39 context starts at 11:40m
The largest slight he delivered to Republicans came when he mentioned astronaut Scott Kelly, who just spent nearly a year in space aboard the International Space Station.
We were joking and I said, I bet when (he) figured out what was going on down here in the other partys primary, he might have thought he was still in outer space, Clinton said.-The Spokesman-Review 03/21/16
Tomm2thumbs, your post is nothing more than a hit piece, red meat for Clinton haters and those who are searching for anything they can use out of context to defame our former president, also ranked the 8th best president in United States history -- ASPA 2015.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)not being able to "put themselves in the picture" that Barack Obama has painted.
ffr
(22,668 posts)Are you willing to accept that Bills message about Hillary was that of inclusion, empowering everybody and bringing more people into the political process and sharing in American progress?
Watch his full speech. His message is a positive message for democrats and bringing Americans together.
lastone
(588 posts)although that is the point he was trying to make, it is what it is...
ffr
(22,668 posts)beginning to end. He doesn't bash Bernie, he doesn't bash Obama, but he does build up Hillary and bash Republicans, if you cared to know.
lastone
(588 posts)Let's face it, he made deals that fked the country long term and although a deal maker his JUDGMENT ON WHAT DEALS TO MAKE was often in the 1%s interest, not mine. And if we're to take him at his word we'd get to expect more from hrc.
ffr
(22,668 posts)Nobody, not even you, is 100% right in every decision 100% of the time. But because he made a few bad decisions while making the majority of right decisions, that in YOUR mind disqualifies him and HRC as deserving of YOUR expectations? You have very high expectations indeed!!
I hope you apply those expectations equally to Bernie Sanders too. Poor man, I feel, even he wouldn't live up to YOUR expectations if you pinned a microscope on him.
Back on point though, the only thing we have to face are the facts of history, which can be backed up by results that even you might find having, in fact, benefited the majority of Americans and that you can read the 50 pages of accomplishments here of:
A NATION TRANSFORMED
Clinton-Gore Administration Accomplishments: 1993 - 2000
It goes on and on and on. 22 Million jobs created. Turned the largest budget deficit in U.S. history into the largest surplus in U.S. history, tried to kill Bin Ladin, made agreements with the former Soviet Union to destroy and in fact did destroy/dismantle nuclear weapons, lowered crime, raised wages, expanded the middle-class, shrank per capita government, longest economic expansion in U.S. history...shall I go on?
You can break the accomplishments down by state, by issue, by immigration policy, by foreign policy, by education policy, welfare, drugs and crime, it's your call...shall I go on? Or is that too low a standard to meet YOUR expectations and deserve your support?
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)But to put things in perspective, whether it was a gaffe or wasn't is going to have zero influence on whom I cast my vote for in our Democratic primary. Zero.
I am positively overwhelmed with reasons to vote for Bernie Sanders and to oppose Hillary Clinton.
It's not even close. I can think of a few issues where Bernie and I disagree and a few issues where Hillary and I agree. But in all my decades of voting, I can honestly say that I've never, ever had an easier, clearer choice.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)downeastdaniel
(497 posts)Than YOU...you drinking again?
ffr
(22,668 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)ffr
(22,668 posts)Are you deceitful? Do you support and promote deceit? I don't and as a democrat I wouldn't promote any hit piece on either of our great democratic candidates.
Focus on building our candidates up, not tearing them down.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)ffr
(22,668 posts)He makes no reference to the recovery as being the awful part of the past 8 years.
And I am calm. Are you not calm too? Watch his 45 minute speech. The message has to do with empowering people, Americans, volunteers. That's all. 39 seconds does not rebut the other 44 minutes, it's part of the build up about inclusion.
peace13
(11,076 posts)What is posted here is not a hit piece. Bill's lips are the ones that are moving! I want to believe him but this does not prove the point.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)See! There are people who know better than to listen to somebody else's sound bites.
Thank you Jitter65!
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)"The awful legacy of the last 8 years" Not the awful legacy of the gop congress. When someone is referring to the legacy of the last 8 years, they are usually referring to President Obama's legacy.
beastie boy
(9,293 posts)Now concentrate and try to count the number of years Obama has been President. Tell me if they amount to eight.
Still find it funny?
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)dog whistle for sure
ffr
(22,668 posts)And an edit to your OP.
Running away from PBO? Where do you get all this stuff you are making up? His message, if you cared to watch the full 45 minute speech is a message of inclusion. He does not bash PBO or Bernie.
Say something nice for a change. Say something positive. And least say something that is in context with what was said to democratic supporters.
And SHAME ON YOU for distorting and defaming our former president. How low will you go?
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Bill Clinton specifically says how 'beautiful a picture' Barack Obama paints with his words in the State of the Union address, but how apparently he was unable to get any of it done, as no one sees themselves in the picture he is painting in those 'words' of his.
Bill Clinton's problem is that he decided to pivot too hard Right towards the General before the Democratic Primary is done. Trying to scoop up Trump voters before they commit and Trump starts to act post-primary Presidential
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)They note an aide to Clinton trying to walk his words back big time, but even that statement serves as a reminder that if someone like then-Senator Obama, with a clean slate and an open personality, was destined to 'be blocked at every turn', it goes without saying that Hillary Clinton would no doubt receive a much more difficult onslaught given the existing history of drama with Republicans in Washington.
ffr
(22,668 posts)to believe that's what he meant, when you couldn't be further from the underlying idea of his 45 minute speech.
Context is everything and OPs post is a hit piece. If you want to pass that message along, good for you, but you're going to be the one with egg on your face.
Watch the full speech. The message is about Hillary and inclusion ==> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)He was talking about the President's SOTU and how most Americans can't place themselves in Obama's optimistic vision of the future. Guess what Bill, I am part of that picture, so are the majority of the country. He's throwing the President under the bus now that he isn't useful to him any longer.
ffr
(22,668 posts)but it doesn't mean it's true. Guess you missed what was said and you haven't really watched the 45 minute speech after saying you watched enough. You seem to need to believe something other than what his message was. But when you have a 180 paragraph speech and you take two sentences out of one of those paragraphs, to form an idea that's not contained in the other 179 paragraphs, that, by definition, is called taking something out of context.
The largest slight he delivered to Republicans came when he mentioned astronaut Scott Kelly, who just spent nearly a year in space aboard the International Space Station.
We were joking and I said, I bet when (he) figured out what was going on down here in the other partys primary, he might have thought he was still in outer space, Clinton said.-The Spokesman-Review 03/21/16
Orrex
(63,199 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, maybe he should say that instead of setting up a talking point.
Personally, I think he means more than one thing. Otherwise why be so vague? It's a speech, not poetry.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Obama had a full democratic House and Senate from Jan 09 until Jan 11..... so maybe he meant last 6 years but I don't think so, I think you are the one wishing to contextualize his comments.....
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)nt
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Brain cell loss from heart by-pass?
Divernan astutely addresses this up-thread.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)He makes my skin crawl.
No More Clintons in the White House ever again.
It's a hit piece, red meat for people who are willing to listen to only 39 seconds of at 45 minute speech, which you can watch for yourself here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32
zentrum
(9,865 posts)..is he talking about? Good God.
ffr
(22,668 posts)Full 45 minute speech is linked, so you too don't fall victim to someone else's Clinton hit piece.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32
ladjf
(17,320 posts)a bit better.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)But no, he kept going.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)beastie boy
(9,293 posts)Trying to put words in Bill's mouth... when it's obvious he is not talking about Obama, whose legacy is only seven years old.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)beastie boy
(9,293 posts)No?
So what WERE his words? Oh, EIGHT years of awful legacy...
You know, when you imply he said something he didn't, that's the definition of putting words in his mouth.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)beastie boy
(9,293 posts)There is nothing in what he said that refers to Obama or his SEVEN year presidency, is there?
So what exactly is nasty about what Clinton said?... What is this awful legacy that has lasted a year longer than Obama's presidency?
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Rounding up a year in just another Clinton error.
Bye now.
beastie boy
(9,293 posts)Because he so meant to. And just because he didn't say so means that he said so. And you are so not putting words in his mouth.
Yep, time to give up.
Being nasty?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Bill Clinton
Are you repeating the Breitbart TPM for today too? Don't be duped and don't spread the misinformation.
You can view the full 45 minute speech in its full context. I've linked in about 10 responses here, along with links to GOP/Fox News/Republican sites all spreading the 39 second outtake that does nothing more than make a fool out of anyone who laps it up.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)johnp3907
(3,730 posts)Or did you know it was a phoney right-wing hit piece but you regurgitated it here knowing the supporters of a certain candidate would lap it up?
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)We can only assume he has no shame.
ffr
(22,668 posts)But it doesn't stand for the message Bill Clinton had in his 45 minute speech, which takes Republicans to the tool shed and doesn't point the finger at any democrat.
If you care, you'll watch and see he was not blasting Obama. The president (PBO) would be the first to tell you that. Context is everything in a message.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)I was complimenting you for debunking the hit piece.
certainot
(9,090 posts)we've been getting our asses kicked by 1200 coordinated talk radio stations for the last 25 years and we've wasted another 8 with one of our best presidents ever.
UMTerp01
(1,048 posts)If you are going to try and pull one over at least be somewhat more creative than this. Didn't have it in context at all and I see it as nothing more than a Sanders ploy to try and pull Black voters.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)uh quite repeating everything Bernie has been saying. Hillary supporters attack Bernie without mercy over this point. So now what?? No regulation maybe but trickle down?? WTF is he talking about???
ffr
(22,668 posts)and how Bill feels Hillary is the best candidate to accomplish that.
See here ==> http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342247#post32
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)I've been tossing all the 1992 stuff away... his legacy is officially dead used to be a really Big Clinton nut but not anymore.. and especially after that stunt in Mass.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)Loretta Lynch giving her the green light to indict Hillary and gang over the emails. Payback is a bitch. Hillary may be throwing lamps again at Bill for his stupidity.
beastie boy
(9,293 posts)Neither Hillary nor Loretta are dumb enough to fall for this right wing bait.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)that Nancy Pelosi was speaker and Harry Reid majority leader from 09 - 11. This is just more establishment speak, Bill is way off his game.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)and the general consensus is that indeed, a purported conflict with the WTO services agreement is what caused the crash. But now there is a similar NEW agreement which hopes to make the same mistakes over again. And its a huge mistake.
See A Plan Only Banksters Will Love: WikiLeaks Reveals Trade Deal Pushing Global Financial Deregulation | Democracy Now!
According to every expert on trade and health care including the WHO problems with the same deal are also the reason our health care (and that of many other countries - including South Africa, where even a revolution was not able to free them from it) is so screwed up, and it wont be able to be fixed until we dump these horrible trade deals. Somehow. (its intentionally made very costly to do)
madamesilverspurs
(15,800 posts)this guy is looking at us and laughing his ass off.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts). . . we can't judge from a few selected comments.
I agree with Bill about the awful legacy of the past eight years -- a legacy in which a moderate, centrist Democratic President was trashed in every possible way by the Republican Party and their partners in crime.
His comments about "most Americans . . . cannot find themselves" in that picture is spot on. I'd like to hear the ENTIRE passage, not just your selected quotes.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)ffr
(22,668 posts)Nothing on ThinkProgress or TPM, but a lot of repeating on Fox News affiliates and tabloid rag sites.
Congratulations! You have been duped. Breitbart and his cronies are laughing out loud.
Bill Clinton slams 'awful legacy of last 8 years
Washington Free Beacon
TheAmericanMirror.com
And tabloid sites are promoting it alike
TheWrap
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Awful+Legacy+of+the+Last+Eight+Years+clinton+full+speech&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
AzDar
(14,023 posts)beastie boy
(9,293 posts)Which makes it clear that anyone basing their conclusion on a 39 second snippet is willfully O'Keefing themselves.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)With his Cruz like insinuations
dchill
(38,465 posts)Go, Slick! Tear 'im up!
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tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)it cannot stand on the merits of the existing history of her career in politics
beastie boy
(9,293 posts)with the right wing talking point.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)As far as he's concerned the presidency and even the Party belongs to him.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)strategy is strategy, not saying it is smart, especially with Democrats who think a lot of what vision Obama had and still has for our country, but apparently just something Bill Clinton chose to do.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)beastie boy
(9,293 posts)From the mouth of Angel Urena, Bill Clinton's spokesman, as reported by CNN: "When Republicans controlled the White House, their trickle-down approach drove our economy to the brink of a collapse," Urena said. "After President Obama was elected, Republicans made it their number one goal to block him at every turn. That unprecedented obstruction these last eight years is their legacy, and the American people should reject it by electing Hillary Clinton to build on President Obama's success so we can all grow and succeed together."
Also from CNN: "Republicans immediately seized on the comment, with the Republican National Committee arguing that the comment "is about as off message as you can get" in an email to reporters."
It appears CNN is wrong on the latter: it's not just Republicans who are seizing on the comment...
LonePirate
(13,414 posts)beastie boy
(9,293 posts)nonsensical propaganda
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)but there is such a rush on the part of too many at DU to carry on with the GOP's smears that you did not do your homework.
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/03/no-bill-clinton-did-not-describe-obama
Shame on you!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)He is a seasoned politician who should know better than to string a set of words together that can be taken out of context.
He's certainly done it with others.
ffr
(22,668 posts)Is that your message? He should always make sure that EVERYTHING he says can NEVER be taken out of context?
Isn't that expecting the impossible from any public figure? Guess 99% of the rest of us wouldn't measure up to your standard either, so SHAME ON US as well, right?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)words can AND will be taken out of context! The shame is that it is done here on a Democratic website by those who call themselves "progressives."
"Friends" like these are as bad, if not worse than, Republicans. People really need to get a grip.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)is going to be unpleasant however one again, they will bank on Democrats voting for the lesser of two evils.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)First Clinton came for the left, then the gays, Debbie stepped in and launched an attack on the poor and the people of colour (pay-day lending, prison industry), now Bill is coming for Obama's legacy.
"No we can't" has morphed into "No YOU can't because I say so"
ffr
(22,668 posts)tonight. Were you one of those who were duped? If so, you might want to un-RECommend. That is, unless of course, you're carrier water, trolling DU too.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)"everything is a right-wing conspiracy", "All those who oppose Clinton are trolls"
yeah, because when you are to the right of 70 % of the American voters, all criticism must come from the remaining 30 %.
ffr
(22,668 posts)I made no such claim, nor did I put words in your mouth. Everything I said was true and can be substantiated. I guess I struck a nerve with you, but you made yourself vulnerable because you didn't think. Or should I say, you didn't exercise critical thinking before making your posts.
So if you're going to keep your RECommend to this RW hit piece, it isn't me who's view of reality is flawed these days. You might as well label yourself a Republican and start wearing red from now on. Stop hiding behind some other label. You're carrying water for them, which makes that so. No self respecting Bernie or HRC supporter would EVER carrier water for any RW hit piece. That does a disservice to democrats.
Sorry if the truth hurts. It's your move. Do you do the right thing or do you double down on being wrong? I know what a republican would do.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)the vast right-wing conspiracy!" - All I can say is: that message was worthy of your avatar.
Oh, and I don't think (because I refuse to consider all criticism of Clinton a right-wing conspiracy)?
And I am vulnerable (because I don't take your word for it)?
And I don't excercise critical thing (for thinking critically of Clinton)?
And supposedly the truth hurt me, or I would long ago have taken down my REC?
Yeah, let's just keep peddling that meme that all criticim of Clinton comes from the right; after all, that is where she is running to. Surely the people she perpetually confers with are the ones most likely to criticise her?
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Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)This nonsense of accusing every Clinton critic of being a water-carrier for the GOP should stop. It is a baseless attack that has no place in adult discussions. The TOS are clear: we do not accuse one another of being Republicans. If someone is clearly a RW troll, the jury system should be put to its originally intended use, and that always leads to a tombstone long before someone has 12,000 posts to his name.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)It's understandable more and more every day why Hillary ran the early campaign days like she did. They simply do not do well in public, especially when they slip up and say something they actually believe.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)In their own clip of the long speech published on their website here ---> http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/21/politics/bill-clinton-hillary-obama-legacy/index.html the clip shows Bill Clinton saying this:
But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe weve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before when we were practicing trickle-down economics and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her."
Yet if you drop down in the above-posted article, their transcription of that part of the speech which they have posted on their own website said this:
"If you believe we can rise together, if you believe we've finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics, then you should vote for her," the former president said about his wife.
You will note they purposely omitted the phrase "... and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, ..." regarding deregulation - which Bill Clinton pushed for during his term and signed into law - from their reporting of the speech.