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tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:10 PM Mar 2016

"At What Point Does Repeated-Misspeaking Become Lying?"



That is the question Keith Olbermann puts to viewers and his guest Margaret Carlson when looking into the accounting of Hillary and Chelsea Clinton's Bosnia trip. It is a really interesting question. We'll let the viewers decide.

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"At What Point Does Repeated-Misspeaking Become Lying?" (Original Post) tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 OP
Sometimes, all it takes is lips moving PeoViejo Mar 2016 #1
Cue the followers claiming YouTube is a right-wing source or something... nt revbones Mar 2016 #2
If that fails, there's always the "old news" defense RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #9
The first time Old Codger Mar 2016 #3
Agreed 100%. bvf Mar 2016 #10
the difference from Brian Williams is that journalists are expected TheDormouse Mar 2016 #4
PolitiFact would call this a "pants on fire" lie TheDormouse Mar 2016 #5
it is a legitimate question tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #6
when you don't take down the Tweet MisterP Mar 2016 #7
Cult of Personality building. jalan48 Mar 2016 #8
What Will It Be Like With Bill In The White House billhicks76 Mar 2016 #11
Ah, to have a Republican back in the White House! (I keeed, I keeed) GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #30
K&R! nt Duval Mar 2016 #12
great question!!!!! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #13
Why do Hillary supporters ignore all of her lies ??? SamKnause Mar 2016 #14
"You cannot reason people out of a position which they have not been reasoned into" tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #15
It is the same reasoning that Trump supporters have. greiner3 Mar 2016 #16
They pin their future on Hillary winning. PeoViejo Mar 2016 #26
Referring to people as brainwashed is hurtful. peace13 Mar 2016 #28
Me neither! zentrum Mar 2016 #34
When desire builds over the years there comes a point when frustration will see you leave your Jemmons Mar 2016 #42
Calling all Hillary supporters ... SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #17
LOL! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #22
How far in the past did you have to dig to come up with that one? And nice job of circumventing.... George II Mar 2016 #18
And elljay Mar 2016 #20
What? George II Mar 2016 #25
New revelations are called News PeoViejo Mar 2016 #23
And she never, ever does this any more Doctor_J Mar 2016 #29
And if that DOES happen, it is disgraceful. pangaia Mar 2016 #36
What is the half-life to a lie? tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #19
It isn't just one lie! peace13 Mar 2016 #27
It's embarrassing SheenaR Mar 2016 #21
The first time. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #24
Do we get to vote? Thespian2 Mar 2016 #31
The statement at the end...What kind of a President/Father would send his libdem4life Mar 2016 #32
Chelsea worked at a hedge fund, greymouse Mar 2016 #35
Yes, I know. This is not Chelsea the privileged education/career woman. libdem4life Mar 2016 #37
what the h*ll is misspoke greymouse Mar 2016 #33
same as "I'm sorry that you feel that way" nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #44
IMO It isn't a lie until it's been pointed out to u & u double down on it TheDormouse Mar 2016 #38
"No, I've always tried to ..." TheDormouse Mar 2016 #39
But she REMEMBERS being heroic and that's all that matters.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #40
'I don't remember anybody offering me Tea on the Tarmac' tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #41
Here comes the Hilll supporters claiming we have no idea.... Duckfan Mar 2016 #43
DURec! X1000 bvar22 Mar 2016 #45
Here is another compilation that goes well with the OP. bvar22 Mar 2016 #46

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
9. If that fails, there's always the "old news" defense
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:39 PM
Mar 2016

Suggesting that a proven pattern of lying somehow has a shelf life.

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
4. the difference from Brian Williams is that journalists are expected
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

to tell the truth. Politicians, on the other hand, ...

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
6. it is a legitimate question
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:27 PM
Mar 2016

especially when searching '13 minutes of lying' on YouTube brings up so much more

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
11. What Will It Be Like With Bill In The White House
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:41 PM
Mar 2016

He will probably have to cut the partying down if Hillary beats Bernie...IF.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
30. Ah, to have a Republican back in the White House! (I keeed, I keeed)
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

Well, only a little, as WJC was the best Republican president we've had in a long time.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
15. "You cannot reason people out of a position which they have not been reasoned into"
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

I think that says it all

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
26. They pin their future on Hillary winning.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

Accepting the truth is extremely difficult for cult followers. Reversing the Brainwashing will be difficult and may take Years, if ever.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
28. Referring to people as brainwashed is hurtful.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

Some people respect the truth. By the way, this isn't the only time she has misspoke err...lied.

Jemmons

(711 posts)
42. When desire builds over the years there comes a point when frustration will see you leave your
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:47 AM
Mar 2016

(for you) normal standards behind and opt for "any which way" approach, that can perhaps bring the desired results. High standards is easy to have when you occupy a position of power, but gets challenged as you start to slide from a privileged position and the optimism that comes with it. Your moral standards reflect how much you believe that you can prosper and succeed with what little you have got.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. How far in the past did you have to dig to come up with that one? And nice job of circumventing....
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

...the new rules by posting this in "V&M" so you could get it to the home page.

As each week goes by these Clinton hit pieces from the past become less and less effective because there are less and less voters to be "converted".

Guess, what? Hillary Clinton will still win the nomination and be elected President.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
20. And
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:38 PM
Mar 2016

assuming, arguendo, the factual accuracy of such reports, why is that a good thing? If you support the positions of someone who has a poor track record where truth is involved, how could you trust that she would still support those positions when elected?

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
23. New revelations are called News
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

Old revelations are called History.

History can be a cruel and unrelenting Master.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
29. And she never, ever does this any more
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:14 PM
Mar 2016

Like for instance she doesn't misspeak about Nancy Reagan's AIDS response.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
27. It isn't just one lie!
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

Every time she repeats it it is a new one. She just couldn't stop herself. At the expense of the soldiers who were guarding her I might add.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
21. It's embarrassing
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

And not isolated.

Instead of addressing it, her supporters continue to justify it.

I'd like to see how far John Edwards supporters would get if they defended all of his lies.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
31. Do we get to vote?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016

Here is my summation: Lying Liars Gotta' Lie...

Or, why tell the truth when a LIE will do?...

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
32. The statement at the end...What kind of a President/Father would send his
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:32 PM
Mar 2016

wife and only child into a war/sniper zone? That kind of says it all. Not one father I know of...and surely not Bill Clinton...who is not my favorite politician, but either way, there is no way. That before all the video that speaks the truth.

Imagine what Chelsea thinks/observes/hears when her mother tells these lies publicly that involve her. I did hear her "worrying" about Bernie taking away people's health care, so maybe it's just the apple dropping near the tree.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
37. Yes, I know. This is not Chelsea the privileged education/career woman.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

This is about the child that was on the tarmac. Please try to keep it in context. Thanks in advance.

greymouse

(872 posts)
33. what the h*ll is misspoke
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:34 PM
Mar 2016

Misspoke, like "I take responsibility for" when the latter means there are no consequences.

Crap word/phrases of the century.

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
38. IMO It isn't a lie until it's been pointed out to u & u double down on it
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:37 PM
Mar 2016

instead of acknowledging an error. At that point, there's no excuse. It's then a flat-out lie.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
43. Here comes the Hilll supporters claiming we have no idea....
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:03 AM
Mar 2016

.....what we're talking about in 3....2....1....

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
45. DURec! X1000
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

This blatant and conscious-less lying and hypocrisy should be pinned to the top of the Hillary Group.

Bookmarked the video.
Thanks.

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