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Related: About this forumThe reason that Hillary is skittish about having a debate in New York.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Of course it's a complete fabrication that she was ever 45% ahead in NY. It is very likely that Bernie has made some gains. I just don't think we will ever have an accurate picture from polls what those gains were and from what starting point.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511615519
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)they are more likely to realize that FTAs will force Americans to compete directly with the rest of the world's and the low wages of Asian countries on liberalization's "level playing field" which is inherently disadvantageous to Americans because of the high costs of educating and living here (which the same backroom deals refuse to budge on, by giving banks and corporations an entitlement to no adverse government regulations, forever.).
in other words, for natural persons, i.e. non-multinational corporations - who have no standing under FTAs except as parts of markets, to be bought and sold, things can only get worse under FTAs, never better.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)lastone
(588 posts)with the most quizzical look on her face, like who the fuck do you think you people are. I bet she wishes she wasn't miked up on that one!
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Pauldg47
(640 posts)Skittles
(152,967 posts)Pauldg47
(640 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Nitram
(22,671 posts)So unbecoming of you to make comparisons like that.
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TryLogic
(1,721 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)to youtube.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)You have to hit "trust the site" in the Ghostery options for the videos to play.
bananas
(27,509 posts)Jennylynn
(696 posts)I mean, the guy won UTAH for cripes sake!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)64 in the last week.
Bye.
Jennylynn
(696 posts)This is something my 13 yr. old say? WTF is wrong with you!!??
mac56
(17,561 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Iraq, the fact that she thinks Libya's still a terrific idea, a moderate modern democracy with just a few kinks left, why she stopped bragging about backing the 2009 Honduran coup in 20014
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)I believe he regrets allowing Hillary to persuade him to intervene in that nation.
dchill
(38,324 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)dchill
(38,324 posts)Pardon his former SOS. I'm sure he's doing all he can to avoid that, of course.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Who cares if Mrs. Clinton engaged in direct insubordination to Obama's request that Blumenthal stay out of State business? They're buds! You think Obama gives a shit that she set up private, unsecured server because the NSA wouldn't let her have a Blackberry? Obama has a Blackberry, so I'm sure he's all cool with it.
dchill
(38,324 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Any fuckwit who tries to sell the idea that Clinton is Obama's third term is hoping you're as fucking dumb as they are.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)... and unstable than the US and our intelligence services knew? No, it must have been pure stupidity or venality on Obama and Clinton's part. Really? I doubt Obama blames Clinton for the mess in Libya. The CIA et al are the ones who are supposed to know what's going on.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)regime change or war, Henry Kissinger is her mentor.
It has nothing to do with democracy or protecting the people of other nations, if that had been a major concern she wouldn't have enabled the murderous and corrupt military coup in Honduras, which created such desperate conditions parents were sending their children across our border to escape.
Honduras is another "shit show."
Nitram
(22,671 posts)Honduras has absolutely no connection to Libya. The so-called Arab Spring was a complex and confusing phenomenon. However, the UN backed military protection for rebels in Libya. Entire cities could have been razed in Gaddafi's quest to maintain control. It was a tough call, but I think it was probably the right one. There was no perfect solution to what was moving toward potentially catastrophic put down of a rebellion in Libya. Syria has been just as difficult, but short of allowing the Assad regime to wipe out the Sunni population that was rebelling against his rule, I don't think there was a better approach than the one Obama has reluctantly taken. There are signs that IS is beginning to crack financially an militarily.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Isis got a foothold there as a result.
The same held true with Iraq.
Honduras was different, in that case a democratically elected President was overthrown by the military, kicked out of his house only wearing pajamas, it was an obvious "military coup."
The rest of the world condemned it as such, but Hillary worked behind the scenes to enable it.
The result being, Honduras descended into chaos with corruption and violence rampant.
In all three cases, Iraq, Libya and Honduras, Hillary supported policies that in two cases helped to empower Isis while in the case of Honduras created extreme violence and oppression leading to a humanitarian crisis which in turn sent children risking their lives to flee across our border and Hillary's answer was to send them back.
In the case of Syria, Hillary was willing to risk an even wider war and U.S. involvement by proposing a "no fly zone" which would've brought us into direct conflict with Russia or cost our nation credibility with our allies by not enforcing it.
I'm convinced that Hillary's judgment is highly suspect and will only serve to destabilize the world whether using foresight or hindsight.
On top of that her hair trigger policies in regards to regime change or war, combined with Hillary's support of fracking for one will only exacerbate anthropological climate change, as the world's climate circumstances become ever more dire as a result, the prospects of nations fighting over dwindling resources and major war increase exponentially.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)never turn down a challenge to debate a worthy opponent in a close race. The voters in New York deserve an opportunity to hear from both candidates in a debate format about issues important to them.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Hillary is just trying to run out the clock.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)campaigns in the state to ask voters the same question. Why won't Hillary agree to a NY debate? What is she afraid of? It's a strategy on the part of her campaign that could easily backfire.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)Why waste time on a another debate when she doesn't need to? She's winning last time I looked.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Winning is not the same as won.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)...exact the number of debates between candidates.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)than debates, this has held true since the days of Lincoln and Douglas.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)would think the citizens of the largest state yet to vote in the East would deserve one, don't you?
Nitram
(22,671 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I'm wondering why you seem to fear Bernie debating Hillary in NY...if you aren't afraid, why are you resisting the idea so strenuously?
Every debate they have teaches us a little more about each of them. And that is a good thing, regardless of who wins the primary. Debates are the only way anyone has of really fleshing out the candidates. Not everyone has time to catch every debate, nor might they even know when they are all on. The more debates they have, the more people have an opportunity to watch one.
I don't think there is anything hyperbolic about wanting or even thinking we need more debates. I don't think we ever have enough. Many people still never even see one. In the beginning, a lot of people probably don't bother to watch them. Later in the race, when things heat up, they may make more effort to do so. Normal people have to be coaxed to participate in the political process. I think too many people on DU forget that we represent a very small segment of the population that is following politics with a passion.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)It is very hyperbolic about to suggest that democracy will fail if Clinton doesn't debate Bernie before NY. What are you afraid of?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Because Clinton has always had name recognition, which was very obviously a problem in the beginning of the campaign, and still remains so today. Who wouldn't worry about that?
So of course, you wouldn't want him to get more recognition. I understand that fear. I personally think we both have a reason to worry about it.
But about your comment to Joe, that shows me you are pretty worried. You totally misconstrued what he said. He said debates are part of the democratic process, and you then converted that into "failure of the democratic process" if there is no debate.
No, not a total failure of the process...but yes, an opportunity lost for people to learn more, and that is something we should all be fighting for. I wonder how many votes Hillary would win if she did that debate? Hmmm...could be a good thing for her.
Again, you are the one who seems to be fighting this awfully hard.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Nitram
(22,671 posts)Uncle Joe wrote If you consider the democratic process a "waste of time." That clearly suggests that foregoing one debate is a threat to the democratic process.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)see on television, hear on the radio or read in printed publications, debates; allowing the candidates to present their messages to the people unfiltered become a much more integral part of the democratic process.
That kind of monopoly propaganda power especially since the advent of one way, top down television and the condensation of news outlets has propelled debates to the forefront for a well functioning democracy to exist.
The vote isn't protected under such conditions, the national corporate media conglomerates have been deafeningly silent in regards to the massive voter suppression that took place in Arizona.
In a debate, Bernie or any other candidate could bring this critical issue/injustice up to the people in real time, the corporate media conglomerates have abrogated their responsibility toward a well informed electorate, so debates are all the more critical.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)But if I were Clinton, I'd play it cool, exactly as she is. And I've seen plenty of unvarnished, unfiltered clips of Bernie on DU - you're victimhood is vastly over-stated.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)"victimhood" has nothing to do with it insofar as Bernie is concerned, this is about the people having the best information to make a well informed decision.
I knew Hillary's point of view before I posted this OP, but I don't believe she is playing it "cool."
Greenpeace Response to HRC: She Conflates Greenpeace w/ Sanders Campaign
WASHINGTON - Following the release of a video showing Secretary Hillary Clinton losing her patience with Greenpeace activist Eva Resnick-Day, the Clinton campaign released a statement saying that the campaign has not taken a dollar from oil and gas industry PACs or corporations. The simple fact is that the Sanders campaign is misleading voters with their attacks.
In response to Secretary Clintons statement, Greenpeace Democracy Campaign Director Molly Dorozenski issued the following response:
Secretary Clinton cannot ignore the voices of activists asking her to reject fossil fuel money, or explain away the more than one million dollars she takes from fossil fuel lobbyists. We would welcome a statement from Clinton saying that she plans to stop taking this money going forward to prove to young people like Eva that shes listening to them, not her biggest donors.
Secretary Clinton is conflating Greenpeace with the Sanders campaign, but we are an independent organization, and our research team has assessed the contributions to all Presidential candidates. We have not and will not endorse candidates. Earlier this year, we asked both Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders to sign our pledge to #fixdemocracy, and while Sanders signed, Clinton did not. We intend to continue to challenge all candidates to listen to the people, not their biggest donors.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511624101
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)and requires vast sums of money to advertise on?
The same T.V. which blacked out Bernie for most all of last year, while at the same enabling/creating the Trump Monster?
The same national corporate media controlled T.V. which has totally gone silent in regards to the massive voter suppression which took place in Arizona?
None of the debates have been held in New York and we only got 8 after a major uproar from the people combined with Bernie pulling even or ahead in Iowa and New Hampshire, that's when Hillary and her pal Schultz became somewhat "enlightened."
The scheduling sucked as well, timed for when most people wouldn't be viewing them.
These would be the same corporate media conglomerates that directly benefit from Citizens United and unlimited sums of money pouring in from anywhere on the globe to corrupt our democratic process, I don't put much faith in them being honest brokers.
I believe the American People are much better served by head to head match-ups of the candidates in real time, this would especially hold true in a high media market such as New York and that's what Hillary is afraid of.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)Perhaps I should have said, "they have access to the internet." Bernie has been well-exposed on the internet, as have the numerous slanders on Clinton.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)still get their primary information from television for various reasons.
Television still has great propaganda power over the people although thanks to the Internet the times are changing.
While I have no doubt Hillary has her fair share of enemies, the majority of her wounds are self-inflicted.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Uncle Joe always answers.
I wonder what's up with this?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I won't hold it against him if he doesn't.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Peace to you, pangaia.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The Carpetbagger has flipped and flopped and shaped shifted SO much, that she knows she should not be in front of cameras, in such a venue...Camp Weathervane can't control the situation to their liking.
And about those Wall Street transcripts?
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)negotiations with Trump for a New York debate.
I think Hillary would notice.
Sorry I can't remember who the DU member was or I would give them credit.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)it would become a new hit show.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)It was great fun to watch. First time I've seen the clips of Laurel and Hardy and Groucho practicing their dance moves.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,044 posts)Casting director's notes on Fred Astaire's first screen test.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #27)
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Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)The Fox News town hall in which Bernie Sanders was on stage for the first half-hour and Hillary Clinton was on stage for the second half-hour was originally supposed to be a debate between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Thanks, Uncle Joe. I'm certain she doesn't want a repeat of that ovation!
Nitram
(22,671 posts)...comfortable margin, and has nothing to gain by engaging in another debate. Simple really. Interesting, your use of the word "skittish", btw...
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Interesting that you're splitting pubic hairs about the English Language trying to create every little division imaginable while ignoring the central point.
Debates aren't for the candidates, they're for the people and Hillary wants to deny this to the citizens of New York, because she is more concerned about her own political ambitions and fearful of potential loss than aiding a well informed electorate in making deliberations in regards to their choice for the highest office in the land.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)There is no clock for her to run out. The candidate who is ahead has made a tactical decision not to engage in a debate before NY. This isn't a basketball game. It is politics. Btw, what "little divisions" were you imagining?
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)by skittish being an "interesting choice of words?"
yourout
(7,521 posts)If this was not a closed primary Hillary would be in trouble.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)So would be to Bernie's advantage to get a majority in a closed primary. If it were not closed, Bernie would need a large majority to start catching up.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)"I am Not Hillary Clinton"
fbc
(1,668 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)his only attribute !
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
Nitram
(22,671 posts)Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,154 posts)And its fascinating that what you get from it is something he never claimed. So you yourself realized that Bernie is NOT Clinton. Good spot! His position that the richest nation in the history of the world should be able to at least keep up with other democracies in regards to healthcare, education, and campaign finance, are truly NOT what the "no we can't" candidate is saying. Bravo.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The only thing clinton has is "I'm not a Republican." And she's not real convincing about that.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)Or is it just lack of information on your part? Or worse, the only way you can think of to support your candidate?
colorado_ufo
(5,717 posts)It feels to me to be very condescending toward her audience.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)you might have thought a bird had landed on Sander's podium
Red Oak
(697 posts)She resents most of what he said and she represents most of what he said.
The choice of her would be too stark, too dramatic.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)with speeches telling them how awesome they are.
Time for change
(13,714 posts)lasttrip
(1,013 posts)Peace.
LT