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MSNBC Is Now Bragging About Moving To the Right... (Original Post) thomhartmann Jun 2016 OP
thanks thom saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #1
Do I really have to watch Russian Television Blue Idaho Jun 2016 #2
That's what it's come to. bjo59 Jun 2016 #3
Yep. We have no free press. It's all bought and paid for by the oligarchs. nt valerief Jun 2016 #6
Perhaps that is why Putin recently kicked the Rothschilds out. glinda Jun 2016 #13
RT isn't "free". mwooldri Jun 2016 #16
In partial fairness it's because so many people especially millennials / xennials have cut the cord MillennialDem Jun 2016 #28
I think you make good points but Blue Idaho Jun 2016 #29
mainstream media needs to dry up and blow away NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #4
Thom Hartmann.. disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #5
20 seconds AlbertCat Jun 2016 #7
They did notice elljay Jun 2016 #19
Disgusting colsohlibgal Jun 2016 #8
Hold it!!!! I'm elderly (71) and I have other news options LongTomH Jun 2016 #9
You are one of the non-elderly old. HubertHeaver Jun 2016 #15
Yes! They deserve kudos and our support along with people like Palast and Malloy. bbgrunt Jun 2016 #11
From somewhen in the 1930s to the turn of the century... mwooldri Jun 2016 #18
The media goes where the money is. That's all there is to it. Binkie The Clown Jun 2016 #10
See "Network" Mark 750 Jun 2016 #20
Ouroboros elljay Jun 2016 #23
Putin controlled media Loki Jun 2016 #12
Yup, Thom Hartmann is a total puppet of the Soviets! truebrit71 Jun 2016 #14
KGB? Mark 750 Jun 2016 #22
Yup, definitely. .. truebrit71 Jun 2016 #25
FWIW - NPR seems to have a "right winger of the day" feature now in the morning rurallib Jun 2016 #17
Fuck MSNBC and their three guilt-ridden lefties, Rachel, Chris and Lawrence. Tired of this shit. ancianita Jun 2016 #21
Kicked and recommended! Jeff is a hero! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #24
The Return of Bow-Tie Boy? billymike Jun 2016 #26
I belive his name is Carlson MisterP Jun 2016 #27

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
2. Do I really have to watch Russian Television
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jun 2016

To get fair and unbiased reporting about America? That's kinda sad...

mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
16. RT isn't "free".
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jun 2016

In my mind it's basically today's version of Radio Moscow. There is a reason why Thom Hartmann is on RT. This is not to say that his viewpoint is invalidated because Vladimir Putin is signing his paycheck. However given the media worldwide, you sometimes need to turn to outside sources to get a balanced view. Radio Moscow was propaganda for sure. However even a heavily slanted viewpoint has some validity. Just check out Fox "News".

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
28. In partial fairness it's because so many people especially millennials / xennials have cut the cord
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jun 2016

and gone to new media.

It's time for satellite and cable to be relegated to special circumstances, like radio (car or certain job sites). For cable or satellite, good for waiting rooms and hospitals because of ease of use. But amazon video, netflix, youtube, hulu are all way better along with ala carte stations.

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
29. I think you make good points but
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jun 2016

They are about a broader issue. I don't really see NetFlix, YouTube, Hulu, Amazon, etc. as "new media." They are all mostly just new delivery systems delivering the same old media online. It's true they are starting to make some content but by and large they are just delivering existing content created by "old media" systems. Most of that content is entertainment content.

What I miss is are independent news operations. Back in the day (yes I'm that old) most M$M news organizations operated with both autonomy and with a greater sense of working for the public good. In short - real journalists who felt an obligation to tell the truth as best they could. That ended the day most broadcasters folded their news desks into their entertainment divisions.

Sadly today it seems one must reach out to a variety off shore news agencies - that shouldn't have to be the case.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
5. Thom Hartmann..
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jun 2016

although I wish he would have been a bit less kumbaya about the Dem candidates during the primary.. he is still a solid listen for truth.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
7. 20 seconds
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

This was interesting in many respects.

But to those who insist Sanders has been given a fair shake...

TWENTY SECONDS

Anyone who thinks Sanders hasn't been sidelined is delusional. He was ignored until they couldn't ignore him anymore...

because, once again, a politician no one had heard of has given Hillary a run for her money. It's amazing, considering, how close Sanders is to Hillary's lead what with her name recognition plus her cronies at every level of the process on top of being ignored by the media. Imagine if there had been more debates and Sanders had gotten as much coverage from the start as the Clintons.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
19. They did notice
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

and took action (IMHO the wrong action), which is PRECISELY why Sanders has been ignored. The powers-that-be resolved to not let another outsider usurp their ordained candidate so they made sure to tie this one down thoroughly (and still almost lost). What they should have done is recognized that the tide is turning against them and started swimming out in front of it.

If Hillary wins, they will delude themselves into thinking it is because America loves her and not because Trump is the most dangerous candidate ever so millions will settle for her as the only other realistic option. We will need to keep the pressure on until they finally learn their lesson.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
8. Disgusting
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jun 2016

The good news is that the younger set and other non elderly folks have other news options outside traditional cable TV.

MSNBC has just circled back to the days they had the Pom Poms out for PNACs Irag war...an unnecessary war that has cost rising trillions and set in motion ISIS, the gift that keeps on giving.

Kudos to Keith/Ed/Dylan/Cenk who refused to play along, shame to the supposed liberals still there who have bowed to their corporate masters.

mwooldri

(10,299 posts)
18. From somewhen in the 1930s to the turn of the century...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

...there was this thing called shortwave radio which people could listen to in order to receive alternative viewpoints - both friendly and not so.

I'm not so young anymore (41) but those who want alternative views can get them.

Edit to add: Shortwave hasn't gone away, it's that the internet has replaced shortwave as a delivery mechanism for the developed world. It still has its place, and is slowly going digital too.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
10. The media goes where the money is. That's all there is to it.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jun 2016

Balance, objectivity, and truth no longer matter.

Investigative journalism is a thing of the past.

The media is in the pocket of big money and it will stay that way until the extinction of the human race later this century (an event which the last living reporter will still, under instructions from big money, deny).

 

Mark 750

(79 posts)
20. See "Network"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jun 2016

All those that haven't seen the movie "Network" should rent it. Basically illuminates these sad points made by Blinkie The Clown.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
23. Ouroboros
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jun 2016

but it is a snake swallowing its own tail. The media follows the money, but it also generates the subject matter that makes the money. Thus, my cable package has approximately 5 billion channels, most of which present "reality" shows, sports (or shows about sports), cooking competitions (5 minutes to make dessert using snails, diesel fuel, and pigs' feet), or "historical/scientific" documentaries about ancient aliens, Bigfoot, and psychic phenomena. After a steady diet of this, viewers would rather see a politician/reality star dish out insults just like on their favorite shows than a factual debate on climate change.


rurallib

(62,379 posts)
17. FWIW - NPR seems to have a "right winger of the day" feature now in the morning
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

with the likes of Jonah Goldberg, Tuckee Carlson, Kathleen Parker and Erik Erikson.

So it seems that any media that ever had any sheen of being even a little liberal is now being brought in to the right wing tent. There was always the right wing analogy of government creeping into your lives of a camel's sticking its nose into the tent. Pretty soon the whole camel is in the tent.

That seems to apply to right wingers taking over the news media. Only, like Comcast, they often buy the tent first and then lead the camel in. In the case of NPR, I know not what their leverage is but they surely are applying it.

Our little corner of the non-internet news is now Freespeech TV or freespeech.org.

billymike

(122 posts)
26. The Return of Bow-Tie Boy?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jun 2016

I do forget his name.
I was holding on to cable for MSNBC and TCM. TCM started selling wine via commercials and rotating the same flicks weekly; MSNBC just got weird: all Trump all the time in April. Melissa Harris Perry bolted, so I figure something was up. It was. I cancelled cable and I'm still jonesing a bit, but O did I used to love my two go-to-and-stay-there stations!

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