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Wanna know how we already know that Bernie will win in California on Tuesday? (Original Post) leftcoastmountains Jun 2016 OP
Doesn't matter...Hillary has won... beachbum bob Jun 2016 #1
Awww.... kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #3
Hillary will have enough delegates SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #9
OK then. kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #11
It's called nonsense. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #18
no she won't but have a nice day. roguevalley Jun 2016 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #47
Reality has a Clinton bias SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #49
It is ironic that Bernie can only win with Super Delegates. Nitram Jun 2016 #72
Put a + on your remarks... Thespian2 Jun 2016 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #55
+...Supports the message, means plus 2 Thespian2 Jun 2016 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #60
Disregard yes indeed bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #51
No need for Hillarians to bother voting then. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #79
You're such a downer passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #19
Funny that a Bernie supporter would allude to being fun at parties. Nitram Jun 2016 #73
We always have fun when we get together passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #78
Hillary won Mesee Jun 2016 #24
Give them to him metroins Jun 2016 #27
Incompetence my ass - you hill people thought he wouldn't take a single state. nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2016 #29
It was an incompetent strategy metroins Jun 2016 #30
Her husband was Gov of a Southern State........give me a break....he hadn't yet started bkkyosemite Jun 2016 #52
Campaigned for 10 months metroins Jun 2016 #56
he had no money or name recognition larkrake Jun 2016 #77
Not in the right spots metroins Jun 2016 #82
He wasn't planning to run for President SheilaT Jun 2016 #83
he never planned to be president larkrake Jun 2016 #86
Lol. metroins Jun 2016 #87
Not only that I was told by a person of color here passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #81
True, you should feel happy at how well Bernie did. Nitram Jun 2016 #74
If this is truly the reason he loses... caraher Jun 2016 #33
Apples and Oranges metroins Jun 2016 #36
Every time we posted a positive OP about Hillary it got hijacked by Bernie's 80% majority upaloopa Jun 2016 #58
So true LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #62
OK, you're right. Bernie's ideas are better and he's more in tune with everybody except Nitram Jun 2016 #75
I remember when Obama talked about Sarah Palin... Blanks Jun 2016 #84
Hillary will have a majority of pledged delegates and raw votes... tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #31
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #69
Ok, you're out Gman Jun 2016 #41
I can't wait until the g.e. Cheap_Trick Jun 2016 #70
won what? It's not over. OwlinAZ Jun 2016 #93
Awesome! This needs to go viral!!! (nt) PotatoChip Jun 2016 #2
K&R yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #4
Yay yuiyoshida! Many thanks for tweeting this out. PotatoChip Jun 2016 #8
signs every where yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #63
very serious talent right there:) litlbilly Jun 2016 #13
not bad for a bunch of teenagers... yuiyoshida Jun 2016 #64
Not bad for anybody:) litlbilly Jun 2016 #67
and yes, im an old rocker from the 70s, made a living for over 30 years... litlbilly Jun 2016 #68
... Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #38
That bearded guy in the foreground Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2016 #5
K&R! MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #6
Really nice. Thanks for posting. zentrum Jun 2016 #7
Knowing Sanders will win CA is just as realistic stopbush Jun 2016 #10
Oh, look everyone, someone who KNOWS God doesnt exist! 7962 Jun 2016 #16
Oh, look everyone, a person who knows Sanders will win stopbush Jun 2016 #20
Heh, especially based on about 10% honking on a busy highway. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #28
Just realized Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2016 #12
Awww, that was great. Duval Jun 2016 #14
Yeah, but they're only the people. People don't matter in the U.S. anymore. nt valerief Jun 2016 #15
A ***MINORITY*** of the people. A **SMALL MINORITY** at that. ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #23
? Noise hurting your ears? Fuddnik Jun 2016 #32
Nope. Hillary absolutely CRUSHED Bernie in today's primary ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #61
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #17
Yes, something was afoot: MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR HILLARY! stopbush Jun 2016 #96
You obviously have not been schooled in the latest political theory by Hillary supporters that GoneFishin Jun 2016 #21
Haha, exactly! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #39
There is no denying that Bernie has the energy Hulk Jun 2016 #22
Most of those honking are Trump supporters bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #25
And you know this how? mac56 Jun 2016 #34
Because you don't? bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #43
Same Way the OP "Knows" Bernie is Gonna Win Norman Conch Quest Jun 2016 #44
You've been a member since yesterday. mac56 Jun 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author geardaddy Jun 2016 #80
Ha ha --- you wrote "people are to dumb" Bucky Jun 2016 #66
K & R. Love it, righteous & inspiring! Thanks. Go Bernie & Golden State California! appalachiablue Jun 2016 #26
Is it because skepticscott Jun 2016 #35
I'm sure I saw a thumbs up snort Jun 2016 #40
Can we all be real here humbled_opinion Jun 2016 #42
If we're being real, we should note that ever since 1984 when super delegates pnwmom Jun 2016 #85
While your on the precedent subject humbled_opinion Jun 2016 #88
The FBI has never said she is a target of the investigation. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #89
Seriously then what is the humbled_opinion Jun 2016 #90
The FBI has said they were checking the security of her system. pnwmom Jun 2016 #91
If he already won guess I don't need to vote then. miyazaki Jun 2016 #45
K&R ReRe Jun 2016 #46
K&R! dchill Jun 2016 #54
He's the only one of all the candidates findrskeep Jun 2016 #57
He was not invited to the Vatican as a world leader. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #92
Clinton worries me so much, such a bad campaigner, so weighted down w/GOP lies Bucky Jun 2016 #65
Obama lost California... jamese777 Jun 2016 #76
If Hilary has already won, then I am sure she won't mind . . FairWinds Jun 2016 #71
Well hell, if ten people holding signs over a CA freeway isn't proof I don't know what is Downtown Hound Jun 2016 #94
How'd that election work out fer ya, Capt Video? stopbush Jun 2016 #95

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
9. Hillary will have enough delegates
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jun 2016

to secure the nomination before the polls close in California. That is called reality - you may choose to disregard it.

Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #9)

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
48. Reality has a Clinton bias
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jun 2016

You say the Supers haven't voted yet. They have declared how they intend to vote. The hysteria that hits this board for two days when one super delegate switches to Sanders shows how rare that is.

Reality: They have already told you how they are going to vote !

Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #48)

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
72. It is ironic that Bernie can only win with Super Delegates.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jun 2016

If there were no super delegates he would already have lost. Weren't the Bernie crowd, like, against the idea of super delegates? And now?

Response to Thespian2 (Reply #53)

Response to Thespian2 (Reply #59)

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
73. Funny that a Bernie supporter would allude to being fun at parties.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jun 2016

Nothing more boring than a born-again Bernista.

Mesee

(42 posts)
24. Hillary won
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jun 2016

You are 100% right. Hillary will be the winner with Super Delegates before any primary. Massive election fraud and voter suppression In Brooklyn, NY 90,000 Democrats were not allowed to vote. Only on local media has it been reported. Under investigation to this day. I F YOU CALL THIS WINNING COUNT ME OUT.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
27. Give them to him
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jun 2016

Every election fraud that you think happened, give it to Bernie.

He still loses.

He lost in the beginning due to incompetent campaign management by disregarding the southern high delegate states. Hillary won them by such high margins and we use proportional delegates.

So give him every thing you want to claim that happened, Bernie still loses because of incompetence.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
30. It was an incompetent strategy
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jun 2016

For winning a proportional race.

Ignoring high delegate southern states and focusing on low delegate northern states is incompetence.

I'm not sure who chose the strategy, but I wouldn't hire them again.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
52. Her husband was Gov of a Southern State........give me a break....he hadn't yet started
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jun 2016

to get known.....RED STATES

metroins

(2,550 posts)
56. Campaigned for 10 months
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jun 2016

National debates.

He had 10 months to mount a campaign in the high delegate southern states, his campaign ignored them. They chose to go after low delegate states.

It was an incompetent strategy. Obama beat Hillary in 2008 and nobody knew him, she isn't unbeatable.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
82. Not in the right spots
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

Bernies been a career politician for 30ish years, if he was planning to run for president you'd think he could've done something to get name recognition earlier.

Bernie lost in early March, there's no two ways about it.

It was an incompetent strategy, Obama (2008) was at a bigger disadvantage than Bernie because he'd spent less time in office. The difference is, Obama had proper leadership and management skills along with a winning strategy.

Hillary learned from Obama, focused on high delegate states and spent almost no money in states that don't matter.

This cannot be spun, Bernies campaign made a fatal flaw by choosing an incompetent strategy.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
83. He wasn't planning to run for President
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jun 2016

much more than a year ago. Let alone eight or ten years ago.

He went from almost zero name recognition, to keeping Hillary from clinching the nomination months ago, as we were all told would happen.

Think a bit longer about who incredibly incompetent she must be to go from being ahead by 60 points or more, to just barely getting enough delegates -- and ONLY if the unpledged Super delegates are included --- on the last day of the primary season. Well, DC does vote next week, but they really won't count.

Plus, there's still the entire thing with the cute little home server she had, and all those emails. Were I a Republican operative of any kind, and wanted to destroy Hillary and totally screw over the Democratic Party, I'd make sure that the most damaging information connected to that gets held back until about September. Which is exactly what this delay in the entire FBI investigation feels like: delaying and delaying until the party is stuck with her, then pulling the rug out.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
86. he never planned to be president
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

seeing the corruption accellerate within the party is what motivated him. Hillbots credit him with ambition. If he had ever been ambitious, he would not have been an Indy.

Obama wanted to be President, he is an ambitious politition, Bernie never was ambitious- he is concerned. He is not "me", he is "we", in other terms, he is a democratic socialist. He has said this since he ran for mayor and has proven truthful. He has never put himself first and never will.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
87. Lol.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

I'm sorry but no.

The previous poster has some merit, but your post has none. He is ambitious, it is not "we" but it is "he" with him.

Look into his past dealings, you'll find plenty of fodder for the cannon, look into Jane's past, look into family making money off his campaigns and the ridiculous spending this campaign went to Devine et al. The Italy trip funded by campaign. There's dirt to be found.

The primaries are over, so there's no reason to bring up negative statements, you can Google them if you want to really see he's not that pure. Not Pure At all.

I know Hillarys negatives, you should have learned about your candidates.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
81. Not only that I was told by a person of color here
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jun 2016

that they had no reason to take the time to get to know him. They were happy with Clinton. So they didn't even care or pay attention to his ads (and he did run ads).

caraher

(6,278 posts)
33. If this is truly the reason he loses...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jun 2016

This sounds like a concession that Sanders' ideas are superior and/or more in tune with the people, if you explain his trailing Clinton not to being the lesser candidate but by an appeal to "incompetent campaign management."

Rarely do I see serious arguments that Clinton has the better ideas or would be a better president - it's just "face it, your guy lost" in a system tailor-made to deliver the nomination to Hillary. It would be nice to see a more positive message about Hillary rather than a horserace-level critique of the Sanders campaign.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
36. Apples and Oranges
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jun 2016

I'm eating an apple but you keep asking me how come I don't have to peel the skin off.

Apples and Oranges.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
58. Every time we posted a positive OP about Hillary it got hijacked by Bernie's 80% majority
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jun 2016

on this board.

In the beginning Bernie's campaign stared out delusional and it is ending the same way.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
62. So true
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:51 AM
Jun 2016

I've asked the same thing and gotten "I've explained plenty of times already in other threads I don't need to do it again.." or just ignored.

It can't be that difficult. I'll help them:

She would break the ultimate glass ceiling!
She has more experience at high level positions ie..State Department
She has a tougher position on gun manufacturers
She has a great partner who's been there before and we'd get two for one
She's been assailed mercilessly for years and deserves to show them all what's what!
okay I threw that last one in.

There are some legitimate reasons.
Its just that there is nothing in her platform that excites a Bernie supporter. Bernie's talking about some very real fundamental changes in the Democratic Party and also push hard for other social benefits for the whole country that are already passe in most countries. Work on election finance reform. Appointing a justice so that Citizens United can be defeated. I'm not positive Hillary is a huge foe of Citizens United.

And no, Bernie Sanders as President would probably not fulfill all his campaign suggestions. but he may a few of them. And he would open the conversation on the other issues he has raised. He would not be as shy of the bully pulpit as his predecessor seemed to be. In short he would move the country forward progressively into the future in a noticeable way.
Hillary Clinton would represent the status quo. And maybe even more hawkish than Obama. Her ties to the corporate elites financially is troubling. But yes, she definitely does have some positives.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
75. OK, you're right. Bernie's ideas are better and he's more in tune with everybody except
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jun 2016

the primary delegates and the people who elected them. You've heard tons of serious arguments, but you won't even listen to them because you know better.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
84. I remember when Obama talked about Sarah Palin...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jun 2016

He pointed out that as Alaska governor her budget was a small percentage of what he was managing running his presidential campaign (in 2008).

I point this out for a reason: if a candidate has great ideas, but doesn't have the management skills to see their ideas through, it's not much better than 'no ideas'.

If Sanders can't run a campaign competently, how can he be expected to competently run the executive branch of the federal government. An acknowledgment that he had "incompetent campaign management" is, in my opinion, as damning as admitting that he has good ideas, but he wouldn't be a good president.

tarheelsunc

(2,117 posts)
31. Hillary will have a majority of pledged delegates and raw votes...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jun 2016

not that BSers give a DAMN what the people want.

Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #31)

 

Cheap_Trick

(3,918 posts)
70. I can't wait until the g.e.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jun 2016

when the republicans pull the same voter suppression tactics against $Hillary.

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
8. Yay yuiyoshida! Many thanks for tweeting this out.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jun 2016

I read twitter frequently, but don't have an account with them.

How is it looking for Bernie in the Bay Area? Does he seem to have a lot of support there?

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
28. Heh, especially based on about 10% honking on a busy highway.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jun 2016

For the volume of trafic seen in that video it sure wasn't that much honking.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
23. A ***MINORITY*** of the people. A **SMALL MINORITY** at that.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:56 PM
Jun 2016

Fixed that for you.

Stop trying to delegitimize the actual democratically elected winner with the most votes. It smacks of childishness and petulance.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
61. Nope. Hillary absolutely CRUSHED Bernie in today's primary
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:51 AM
Jun 2016


- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
17. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jun 2016

I love these people to death!

If Bernie doesn't win California something is afoot.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
21. You obviously have not been schooled in the latest political theory by Hillary supporters that
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jun 2016

the more numerous and enthusiastic your supporters are the fewer votes you will receive.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
22. There is no denying that Bernie has the energy
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary's going to be just another corporate politician.

how boring.

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
25. Most of those honking are Trump supporters
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jun 2016

thinking they can win the battle cry game of

"Socialist!"

"Oligarch!"

because the American people are to dumb to understand the latter

bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
43. Because you don't?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jun 2016

I actually couldn't care one way or the other, I'm just anti-Trump

and threw out the idea as speculation

It is possible some are Trump supporters, or simply California celebrity celebrants

Or not

mac56

(17,566 posts)
50. You've been a member since yesterday.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jun 2016

Here's hoping my ignore list is your first.

You never forget your first.

Response to Norman Conch Quest (Reply #44)

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
35. Is it because
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jun 2016

even if he loses, his supporters will call it a "win"? Or say that Hillary MUST have cheated, because everyone THEY know voted for Sanders? Or that the Democratic vote was suppressed, but magically only for Sanders voters? Or because people who go to rallies and cheer loud must necessarily turn out in greater numbers on election day than those who don't?

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
42. Can we all be real here
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jun 2016

You cannot count the Super Delegates until the convention floor votes..... therefore Hillary cannot win until the Convention enough of this talk about people that will supposedly just vote for her because they like her....

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
85. If we're being real, we should note that ever since 1984 when super delegates
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

were first introduced, the Associated Press and the rest of the media has called the Presidential race as soon as a candidate has reached a majority of pledged and super delegates (which the AP determines by contacting them -- not by waiting till the convention.)

Yes, hundreds of supers technically could change their minds, in which case the media would report this as a huge story, without any precedent in electoral history.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
88. While your on the precedent subject
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jun 2016

when was the last time a nominee was under investigation by the FBI ?

She sure is setting precedents, she got that covered.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
90. Seriously then what is the
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jun 2016

FBI doing? Why are her aides and soon her being called in for interviews? I am sure she wants this primary over before she actually makes news getting called in by the FBI but it is going to happen and it is an investigation.... it is dangerous for people not to recognize that or not to even care..

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
91. The FBI has said they were checking the security of her system.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jun 2016

That doesn't mean she became a target of the investigation. She could have but there is no evidence that she did, and the FBI hasn't said that she did. And no grand jury has been brought in to hear any witnesses.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
46. K&R
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jun 2016

That was so fun! I wonder how long they stayed out there? I hope that's going on all over California!

findrskeep

(713 posts)
57. He's the only one of all the candidates
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jun 2016

past and present, to inspire millions of people to come out for him, march for him, invited to the Vatican as a world leader, and the list goes on. There's a reason for that for those who can see it. Go Bernie GO! Thank you for the video, you can feel the love

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
92. He was not invited to the Vatican as a world leader.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jun 2016

He had a campaign advisor who was leading a religious conference at Vatican City get him an invitation to the conference, not a meeting with the Pope. Then he stalked the Pope for a handshake, waiting in the wee hours of the morning in the hallway of the Pope's apartment. The Pope obliged him as a "courtesy" but refused pictures. The whole thing was an embarrassing episode for his campaign and backfired as an attempt to pander for the Catholic vote.

Now the FEC wants to know why Sanders' campaign paid for 10 of Sanders' relatives to tag along for the Roman Holiday, where the cost of the chartered Boeing 767 alone topped $600,000. Ask Virginia's ex-governor, Bob O'Donnell, how that story ends.

Bucky

(53,997 posts)
65. Clinton worries me so much, such a bad campaigner, so weighted down w/GOP lies
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jun 2016

I'd love to see Bernie nominated, but I don't see how that would happen short of a Clinton indictment. And if we are going to be straddled with Hillary, I'd much prefer to see her come in with a win in California.

jamese777

(546 posts)
76. Obama lost California...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jun 2016

to Clinton in 2008. It turned out to not matter at all in the grand scheme of things. Obama beat McCain by 10 million votes.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
71. If Hilary has already won, then I am sure she won't mind . .
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jun 2016

releasing those TPP (and other) emails that were sent when

she was on OUR payroll, and which belong to US.

What is she afraid of?

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
94. Well hell, if ten people holding signs over a CA freeway isn't proof I don't know what is
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jun 2016

This Californian is planning to vote Bernie tomorrow. But I'm a Bernie fan that actually doesn't hate Hillary and will have no problem supporting her in the general election. I'm also a Bernie fan that can see that she's pretty much won this thing barring some miracle. I'm also a Bernie fan that says it's time for fellow Bernie fans to stop deluding themselves.

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