Polls Show That America Has Lost Faith in America’s Rigged Elections

[GoLeft TV]

According to new polls, the majority of Americans feel absolutely helpless in this election cycle. Right now, more than 70% of voters said they "feel frustrated about the 2016 presidential election," and that the entire election appears rigged in the primaries and caucuses. Ring of Fire's Farron Cousins discusses this.

[kadaholo]

1. Amen.

[billhicks76]

98. Not Unusual...Business As Usual For Any Oligarchy

Even one in its pubescent stage like ours.

[tonyt53]

2. You do realize that a pollster and elicit just about any response don't you?

[pennylane100]

3. Only if you let them.

If I am being polled and find that the push/pull questions do not allow me to state my own opinion, I just tell the pollster I will not answer that question.

[KPN]

36. Lol!

You must think we're naive.

[freebrew]

5. The 'average' voter didn't get a say...

in many of the more important states, as the 'average' voter is an independent.

I'm afraid many of them will stay home in November. The PTB got exactly what they wanted, and the people got blackmailed again.

So, vote for Hillary. She's not as bad as tRump!

Got it? Good!

[snort]

6. Yeah, no shit.

Clapping for game show contestants doesn't feel quite so presidential these days.

[Fairgo]

62. Hmmm, yep

It did play out like a reality tv show didn't it? Win by any cost, lots of intrigue, no real substance, and a scripted ending.

[840high]

72. Yep

[stillwaiting]

7. left-wing, right-wing, and moderates must come together to reform our election and political systems

It can be done.

All other issues aside when working on THIS reform.

[Cary]

9. Radicals don't want to get together

They only want to be radical.

[KPN]

38. Really? One, who and what is radical? Two, can you defend that with any evidence?

Not going to hold my breath waiting for a legitimate answer.

[Cary]

41. Ditch the attitude and I will discuss it with you, or not

One, I don't need or have to prove anything to you.

Two, I don't need or have to have evidence.

If you don't like my opinion that's your problem not mine.

[KPN]

47. Oh forgive me for thinking you had attitude. My mistake.

[Cary]

56. I had the attitude?

That's rich.

[SouthernDemLinda]

97. S.O.S!

Campaign reform will only happen when the American people demand it. And not until we rid the government of the same old shit.

[Buddyblazon]

111. Oh....I get it...

It's merely your opinion. You stated it like it was fact. I think that's where the confusion came in.

[Scruffy1]

15. They will never give up their power willingly.

The way things are now there are very few contested congressional seats, especially in the house. Years of propaganda and gerrymandering have assured reelections no matter how bad they are. The Democrats have largely gone along with it since it assures their own electability. In my district my Congressman hardly campaigns because he will get close to 80% of the vote in this heavily democratic district. The next district north is gerrymandered Republican and as long as you have an R you will get in.
The only I can think of is to increase the number of Congressional districts. When I was young 1960's we had approximately one congressperson for every 250,000 population. If we used this as a base we would have about a thousand representatives. This would make it much tougher to gerrymander and also give people more access. It would also make it a lot harder for the dark money.
As idea of the right wing doing anything I find laughable. They don't get where they are by fair elections.
The odds of this happening is about zero since every sitting congressperson would have their power and their base cut in half. Unfortunately we are saddled with majority rule and third parties have never made it anywhere. The only hope is a new Constitution, but that is a slim hope in a country that has had the sacredness of this document pounded in their head since birth.
Meanwhile the campaigns devolve into personality cults and are almost issue free. For instance global warming has hardly been mentioned.

[stillwaiting]

23. I know that elected politicians would be EXTREMELY averse to reforming the system.

My call is for citizens of ALL political persuasions to stand together to demand reform.

So many Americans are sick and fucking tired of how the system currently works.

IF that movement could happen, we could possibly make them reform the system. If the people stood together, we could make things very uncomfortable for elected politicians.

I know MANY right-wing conservatives that are for the same reforms that I have listed in my signature line. I truly believe we could mobilize people from all political persuasions in this country to demand reform. It would be magnificent to see in my opinion.

[PWPippin]

102. I'd like to see a voting "holiday", as well as the other proposals listed in your sig line.

[KPN]

40. Interesting idea.

[zeemike]

88. And things are designed to keep that from happening.

They want us fighting each other and spend a lot of time doing just that.

If you even talk to someone on the right you will be called one...and the same for them.
Divide and conquer is the golden rule of control.

[RoccoR5955]

138. It cannot be done.

Because in the Oligarchy, namely, the US, the corporations own the software to ALL the voting machines.
It doesn't matter what WE THE PEOPLE want, because we do not have as much speech as corporations whose money amounts to more speech than ANY group of folks in the US could ever have.
And now with the coup complete, and two corporate candidates running for the White House, it's over. Welcome to the Oligarchy.
Learn to love it. Learn that you shall have no say in what goes on, because you cannot afford to have the money required for "free speech."

[Cary]

8. The negativity is appalling

Those sowing discord and discontent should be ashamed of themselves. It's radicals on the left and the right and both extremes suck.

[tom_kelly]

12. You sound like someone who likes

what was served. To hell with the rest.

[sulphurdunn]

16. The country is in the mess it's in

because of the perennially gullibility of moderates, not radicals.

[Cary]

37. I am a left leaning moderate

Excuse me but I and others like me are not why "The country is in the mess it's in."

Radicals want to have it both ways.

Radicals on the right have obstructed and thus have affected things. I think they have had a big negative impact. I could point to some 300 or so bills they filibustered and who knows what would have been done by Democrats if they still had a majority in the House?

Radicals on the left, by contrast, have done absolutely nothing. I don't expect they ever will be functional, or accountable for their dysfunction.

Hey if the radical left wants to organize and take over the Democratic Party I can forget the cognitive dissonance. I can forget the fact that the radical left bitches and moans about the organizational necessity of raising funds, and then wants to take over the structure that was built by moderates on that very organizational necessity. Organize, by all means, and take over.

But hey we both know that's never going to happen. Instead of blaming others who are out doing things, be good enough to do what has to be done, or own the dysfunction.

[redkwamya]

80. I agree with you

If you don't like this system, build a better one. Stop the complaining.

[Laha]

87. If you're advocating building a better system

Why are you supporting the status-quo candidate?

I admit I'm just a nobody who does not have a vote here, but I do pay attention because whatever happens to you tends to happen to us in about 4 to 8 years.

America got its next corporate shill. Yippee.

Edited for grammar.

[Marty McGraw]

95. As Radical as filling in a bubble

https://citizensagainstplutocracy.wordpress.com/

[beardown]

27. So just accept sitting in the back of the bus and enjoy the ride.

Dang radicals. The USA was great before they got involved. The next thing you know gay people can get married.

Anyone defending the current two party and mega money system is part of the problem.

[Cary]

39. The civil rights movement took 100 years after the Emancipation Proclamation

I'm not sure how long GLBT took but I know they made a sustained effort over decades.

That's not radical. That's incremental. That's discipline. That's patience. It's evolution, not revolution.

[Flying Shoe]

59. How do you suggest change comes about?

Because the only "evolution" I see is our candidates moving farther and farther to the right. How are we supposed to stop climate change in small increments when we have giant oil considerations plunging us down to the point of no return. In 100 years of disciplinary patience, rather than fighting for our planet's future, we will have doomed our planet for good.

[Cary]

63. It doesn't come about the way the radical left wants it.

And I could write a dissertation on this.

Actually I did. But it's not going to happen here. I would refer you to my favorite professor, the late Gray Dorsey.

[Gore1FL]

93. We aren't asking for a disertation

Just a few logical sentences strung together with good examples.

I remember when what you call radical was mainstream Democratic Party. This was before the Democrats decided they had to win over republicans and filled the void left as the GOP swerved hard right.

[Cary]

110. Who is we?

There is nothing wrong with my logic. If "we" are emotional progressives then no amount of logic will register with you. But oh how you do wax nostalgic. It's convenient to "remember" the "good old days." You know, the way "the good old days" were exactly how you think they should have been.

Pfeh.

[Gore1FL]

112. Consider it the royal we and actually try to prove your argument. nt

[Cary]

114. No. Not good enough

You're the one making claims and posturing. You're the one sowing discord and discontent. You're the one with the amorphous "revolution."

My criticism of this "revolution" is proving to be true. You "revolutionaries" don't have what it takes to pull it off. You could still prove me wrong and I would be more than happy to see you all do it. In the meantime I am not drinking your Kool-Aid.

Your entitlement schtick doesn't make it.

[Gore1FL]

122. You said you could write a dissertaion on it. I simply asked for less.

If you can't you can't., I guess.

[Cary]

124. Right.

You're not being snarky and obtuse. You're not playing games. You're not patronizing me, right?

I have some swamp land in Florida for you.

[Gore1FL]

125. I want the dissertation you spoke of.

I can only assume at this point you were lying.

[Cary]

126. Oh no!

A stranger on the internet "can only assume!" Whatever will I do?

[Gore1FL]

128. For starters you should strive for credibility nt

[Cary]

129. Read slowly: Is that right?

[Gore1FL]

130. I don't care if you want to come accross as a know-nothing.

Please proceed, governor.

[Cary]

131. I'm so happy for you

[Gore1FL]

132. Thank you!

[Cary]

133. You win!

Amateur.

[Gore1FL]

134. OK!

[noiretextatique]

135. Change come from years of activism and suffering

Unless you have the money to buy politicians, then change can happen quickly. As long as people buy into "the change does not happen overnight" mibdeset, it won't happen at all.

[sulphurdunn]

64. That's nonsense.

The civil rights movement took a hundred years after emancipation and the end of the war becasue moderate, accommodating, disciplined and reasonable Northern politicians sold out the reconstruction efforts of radical republicans to utterly destroy the old slave system. Finally, it came down to the Compromise of 1877. They did it in the name of practicality, moderation and incremental gain.

[Cary]

66. So you get out that old retrospectoscope of yours and claim you could have done it better

Impressive.



You understate the enormity of the task and disrespect the hard, hard work done by the heroes who lived it and made it happen. You're an armchair quarterback and ironically you being that is the best proof of my point.

Talk is cheap. If your ideas are so great stop trash talking on the Internet and get to work. The radical right has all kinds of institutions, think tanks, propaganda arms, and local government initiatives. And where is the radical left? What does the radical left have, other than discord and discontent and contempt for the majority?

Pfeh.

[zentrum]

84. Excuse me, but

…we just had the first Occupy candidate we've ever had. Occupy was 2008. It had no leaders, no discipline. 8 years later, we have our first Presidential candidate.

Bernie has been the first candidate in your lifetime—unless you were there for FDR—who talks as he does and who wouldn't take dirty money and who "welcomed" the hatred of the economic royalists. He's no radical. But he was a radical departure from what we've been told to get used to.

So stay tuned. We're not going away. See you at the convention where we'll have the platform fight.

[840high]

73. .that^

[JoeOtterbein]

79. Me too, great response.

[KPN]

42. Tra-la-la tra-la-la. Everything's just peachy-keen wonderful.

What a beautiful day! What a wonderfully inspirational primary process -- aren't we fortunate to have such great leadership and tradition? We are the best!

That any better for you. Wouldn't want to fog your rose colored glasses.

[Cary]

57. See, this is the problem

When people behave the way you're behaving they end up being dismissed and ignored.

[billhicks76]

101. Wrong

It isn't about labels. There just as many hopeless unprincipled fools in the middle. An extremism is environmental. We need to change the environment. And it's a false equivalence to lump in the left and right. The center was moved to the right if you have been paying attention. What you label the far left was just the left not that long ago. And the far right as it exists now never existed except in whackadoodle land before. The far right of yesterday is today's normal right. When 70% of the people aren't buying the charade anymore and want to see who's behind the curtain it's not negativity it's critical thinking and being fed up. It's what revolutions are born out of. If you cede the revolution to the right you are making a huge mistake as we all know what they will do. We need a non-violent revolution but the left and populist liberals must lead it. We don't need more wars and murders that create more enemies and we don't need more prisons. If we don't stop income inequality we will get both and then a very ugly tipping point.

[LiberalFighter]

10. Actually the majority of Americans don't care.

That helplessness is a bull excuse.

[-none]

108. Actually they do care very much.

It is just that they are being lied to so much, they don't know what or who to believe anymore. When they figure it out, and they will, then the needed changes will happen.
But the longer it takes to figure things out, the more the chance reality will get very ugly for many during the correction.

[LiberalFighter]

113. Most of those that don't vote just aren't interested.

[-none]

115. What about those legal voters that can't vote because of voter roll purges and party flipping?

That seem to have happened in more than several states.
Many more people were interested in voting this time around, but were disenfranchised by election fraud, so either they could not vote, or their votes did not count. Too many thing did not go smoothly in too many states for there to not be a big problem in the Democratic primary.

[Gamecock Lefty]

11. Sour grapes, anyone?

Nothing is rigged. The DNC didn’t go to the polls and vote as a collective unit, did they? Wall Street didn’t band together all their companies and vote as one, did they? Monsanto didn’t dictate how their employees should vote, did they?

You Bernie supporters started out by saying the more people got to know Bernie the more they’d vote for him. That’s still odd to me that he’s been in Washington all these years and yet nobody knows him! What’s he been doing – nothing? But I digress. You kept saying grass roots would win the election. There was laughter in the Bernie camp that he was drawing thousands of folks to his rallies while Hillary had “listening” tours. Turns out listening instead of lecturing may not be a bad thing after all. In hindsight it looks like a winning strategy!

And guess what. We Hillary supporters actually went to the polls and voted. We exercised our right to vote – turns out by over 3,000,000 more times than did Bernie supporters.

Maybe next time go to the polls instead of rallies!

[Geronimoe]

17. 70% of Americans feel hopeless about the election

that is some win for Hillary!

[AllTooEasy]

49. I don't think the percentage would change if Bernie had won

Hillary supporters would replace Bernie supporters with negative votes in this poll.

[KPN]

44. Your avatar seems at odds with your message.

Perhaps its phony.

[larkrake]

86. no, corporate media gave them choices, herding to the inevitable corp friendly candidates

we are not born with bad decisions, we are groomed to be stupid, apathetic, easily triggered and led by the nose. How many times in your life did authorities say " because that is the way it is"

the election process has an increasing stench to it, and results do not reflect what is seen. It is all fixed, easily hacked machines, and intentional disenfrichement. It is very clear to anyone with a brain. Denial is always the reply, but facts bear it out. And for SGs to announce allegiance before any other person declares is blatant fixing, in your face fixing. This is why people dont vote for justice, they know no one is listening.

[gwheezie]

13. All of a sudden this is a concern?

Because white males are pissed? Elections have been rigged to favor white males since the beginning of the country. So now that we had a black president and a female nominee, people are outraged?

[ehrnst]

22. Bingo. Obama Derangement Syndrome morphs into Hillary Derangement Syndrome. (nt)

[KPN]

46. WTF? Why do you people play those same two lame cards repeatedly.

Sounds like a victim complex to me. Which explains the vote.

[AllTooEasy]

50. What? Victim Card? The victims won

[AllTooEasy]

51. What? Victim Card? The victims won

[KPN]

52. Once was enough.

[gwheezie]

60. You people?

Well there you have it.

[KPN]

96. Oh for heavens sake. .

Go ahead and stand on your victim soapbox then. It's your life. You can choose however you want to live it.

[Cryptoad]

14. I thought after yesterday ....

DU was going to clean this shit up?

[SujiwanKenobee]

18. Righty-O! Out you go!

MWAH!

[Plucketeer]

116. MWAH! back.

LOL!

[Plucketeer]

19. Apperantly

you can't READ.

[kentauros]

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[johnp3907]

20. Comedy gold!

[ehrnst]

21. Well the candidate that didn't get the backing of the majority of white men didn't win.

So of course it's rigged....

See also: Obama Derangement Syndrome, 2008-2016

[FourScore]

24. Damn right! n/t

[RoccoR5955]

25. Average voters do not get a say

because they cannot afford to buy the politician of their choice, as many of the corporatists have done.
Neither candidate cares about WE THE PEOPLE many of us think. They only care about their millions and millions that they get in the form of legal bribes from lobbyists and contributors.

[wolfie001]

43. The "average voters" did have a say in California....

....55.8% to 43.2%. That is a STATEMENT!!! Bernie had a good run. Time to support the winner!

[RoccoR5955]

55. So what

corporation is the winner?

[wolfie001]

136. Very Nader-like response

Remember how that went?

[RoccoR5955]

137. WTF?

What does Nader have to do with it?
I am sick and tired of people blaming Nader for the debacle in 2000, when they should be blaming Jeb, and the rest of the RepubliCON gang, who screwed with the ballots that never got counted, and the Supremes Court who told them to stop counting, thereby appointing Shrub president. There weren't enough votes in any state to sway it towards Shrub, even with Nader. It's already a proven fact.
And don't ask me to look it up for you, it has been out there for many YEARS, and I am not your personal researcher.

[wolfie001]

139. Wouldn't have been close if Nader hadn't run

Nader was all anti-corporate too, just like you. Maybe you don't need to go to work every day but in the end we need to work some the fuck where. I like Perez at the Dept of Labor, he's done an amazing job slapping corporations in their faces. That's why we need Hillary in the WH not some pipe-dream of a candidate and definitely not Mussolini II. Good nite

[RoccoR5955]

140. It wasn't as close as you think!

And I didn't even vote for Nader! For cryin' out loud. It's amazing the mythology that some people come up with in their heads!

[840high]

74. .+1

[uponit7771]

26. The teams that lost are screaming rigged and so is the privilged white, male, hetero, rich, Christia

... Christian billionaire while the long shot black guy in 08 and the female in 16 won in those nearly same systems.

Sounds like a bunch of whining by the "establishment"

[AntiBank]

32. the "establishment" projects itself in many forms, many different constructs

To simply state that someone is non establishment due to their gender and/or ethnicity is repellently reductivist.

[Laha]

104. If you don't think those candidates were chosen by your corporate masters

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for the fact that those qualities would make people defend their corporate policies, then you are ignoring the reality of your system. As an outside observer who has been paying attention for a long time, and someone who acknowledges the election system in my own country has its own problems, I can impartially say your system appears to be a ridiculous farce.

[afertal]

28. Many do not understand that....

...the primary process is totally controlled by the two major parties and is not in any way shape or form a consistent, reproducible, democratic process. There are over 100 different methods for primaries (or caucuses) in use across the 50 states and two major parties.

I would like to see some activist group try to take this on before we even worry about the General. As a long as we have a rigged primary process, the system will continue to produce lesser of two evil multi-millionaire choices dictated by the parties and not representing the average citizen.

Imagine a single open primary where (a la California) the top candidates advance to the General regardless of party.

[kjones]

29. "Imagine a single open primary where (a la California) the top candidates advance to the General..."

Sooo....Trump and Clinton still?

[afertal]

69. This one's over, so..

I'll hold my nose and vote, but I would like to see a single, national open primary in the future, with a limit of no more than 6 months of campaigning prior to the primary. One set of rules for all 50 states and both major parties and/or independents. No caucuses, no having to declare your party six-months in advance. uniform early/mail-in voting. The trickiest part would be setting the requirements to get on the ballot, which could be as simple as submitting a petition with some required number of signatures.

[GoneFishin]

30. They have lost faith with good reason. The cheating and voter suppression is rampant. nt

[Nitram]

34. Posting a photo of Clinton next to Trump with this headline suggest to me that...

this might be a Bernista post. Just sayin'.

[GoneFishin]

65. Probably. Bernie has been the victim of the preposterously lop-sided exit polls which favor

Hillary 95% of the time. So yeah, probably.

[Nitram]

107. I hate to say it, but you guys just sound like sore losers.

You really think Bernie could only lose because of some massive conspiracy. The fact that he did as well as he did is proof there was no conspiracy against him. Look, I like Bernie, but I like Clinton, too. and she has won, fair and square.

[GoneFishin]

117. I was a sore loser in 2000 too. I don't know anybody who likes being cheated.

[Nitram]

121. Face it, you haven't beeen cheated.

Bernie made a great run of it, but he lost. Hillary got far more votes.

[840high]

75. Hard to hide it. So rampant.

[floriduck]

127. I have never, in my 66 years of life, felt less connected to this country than I do now.

With so many positive possibilities, this country has chosen the wrong path in so many choices. We are an oligarchy with little hope for returning to the great nation we were at one time. We have a governmental system that thinks of greed over its people. And we have ignorantly blind party members who've bought into the lies of the rich and influential. Sometimes I think the only way to get this party back to where it should be is to let our opponents completely destroy what's left before the fools in our party recognize things need to change.

[Duval]

31. Count me in on this.

I've never seen such tomfoolery since Bush/Gore. Sanders has been a bright hope for the Democratic Party, but I deplore the way he has been treated by them.

[AntiBank]

33. the problem is simple, a majoritarian system dominated by 2 parties is systemically

incapable of not eventually coming under concrete, technocratic control by the central underpinning power structures of it's nation.

[AzDar]

35. K & R

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. RIGGED.

[AllTooEasy]

54. Not Rigged, Just Stupid

Bernie said so himself.

In my opinion, the electoral college should be replaced by a national election. Drop the caucuses. Automatic independent registrations, allowing folk to opt out or change affiliation if desired. All polling places should be run and financed by the Federal govt. All primary voting on the same day, preferably mid June. Dem primary open to Independants everywhere, but not Repukes or other party affiliations. Kill citizens united

[Scuba]

48. They're just sore losers.

[Martin Eden]

53. Our electoral system needs serious reforms

Universal voter registration, instead of laws intended to disenfranchise.

Make it easier to vote with early voting, no long lines, and a national election day with paid time off.

Universal standard ballots which accurately record voter intent and are counted with no chance of fraud or hacking.

Instant Runoff Voting (ranked choice) to eliminate the need to vote for the lesser evil.

End jerrymandering of districts.

Shorten the election season and eliminate monetary contributions except by human citizens, capped at an amount no greater than 1 week of minimum wage.

Eliminate the Electoral College.

[Javaman]

58. meh. Just like war, politics is a racket.

just different uniforms and weapons.

[pansypoo53219]

61. can you say teevee gnewz MANIPULATION?

the 24/7 channels got what they wanted. a SQUEEKER instead of a landslide. + ooh, land mines on both side. beware hillary's goldman sux speeches in OCTOBER.

[A Simple Game]

81. I suspect Trump has a canceled check with Hillary's name on it too.

Then there is the Clinton Foundation.

[felix_numinous]

67. They who have chosen to be deaf and blind

to the enormous true numbers of people speaking out for human and civil rights have made their choice not to represent us clear. Too many people have lost it all or soon will, are in pain or soon will be, have had their safety and dignity taken away--and this is a recipe for a destabilized country.

I'm sure the TTIP and other global initiatives have in fine print stipulations for handling destabilization, and they believe they have the upper hand. This election offered us a last peaceful chance to run interference upon this going forward. Once it does, our citizenry will be worth even less--which is why these people are so bold in their election fraud.

They can pretend not to see us, kick us off websites and out of elections but their illusion will crack under it's own weight sooner than they think. A house built on lies and deceit cannot stand.

[creeksneakers2]

91. Deaf and blind

to human and civil rights is allowing Trump to get elected.

You weren't kicked out of the election.

[Laha]

105. Two sides of the same coin.

If Drumpf is elected then his arrogant, racist, violent followers will get very loud and think they're more important than anyone else.

If Mrs. Bill Clinton is elected then her arrogant, mother knows best, sit down, shut up, don't talk back followers will get very loud and think they're more important than anyone else.

Either way you get your corporate overlord. Congratulations America. You did it again.

Edited to chase away unnecessary apostrophe.

[BainsBane]

68. What is unacceptable

is for a politician to cynically sow distrust in the democratic process in order to advance his own career, all while arguing he shouldn't be held to the votes of mere citizens. I hope his lasting legacy isn't to turn voters off elections, suppressing turnout and further empowering moneyed interests.

I've been wondering what it is that prompts someone to conclude any election that doesn't produce their desired choice is illegitimate. There is obviously a sense of entitlement, but it goes beyond that. It shows a complete inability to acknowledge the possibility that anyone besides themselves has the right to make political choices. It says something incredibly disturbing about the worldview of those people, particularly when you look at the demographics of the voters they delegitimize.

[Geronimoe]

89. Only 60,000 votes were counted in PR

during the 2008 election over 300,000 voted. Nothing wrong here, move along folks.

[Laha]

106. You got it backwards

The distrust was there a long time ago, and pointing it out is not the cause of the problem. The system attempted to shut Bernie out, right from the beginning - and Mrs. Bill Clinton's presumptuous followers were always there with an attitude that suggested everyone else should just shut up and get in line. That was very obvious to anyone watching.

This has been an observation from outside the American bubble. Thanks for your time.

[allyouneedislove4]

70. Count me as one of those who are disillusioned with this election

This year, we Americans are forced to choose between two right wing candidates for president. I was really rooting for Bernie, but that's now just a fantasy. Sigh.

[840high]

77. .....

[Jopin Klobe]

71. You don't need a Weatherman ...

... to know which way the wind blows - B. Dylan

[underthematrix]

76. one of the intended consequences of Bernie's

struggle hair revolution

[stopbush]

78. Most Americans have no idea how our election system is set up.

That doesn't stop them from believing that they know enough about it to determine it's rigged.

[SouthernDemLinda]

100. How do you know?

How do you know what most Americans know?
Have you questioned them.

Most 18 year old's are far smarter than they are given credit for being.

[jjewell]

82. Last I heard...

Hillary STILL doesn't have 2,383 pledged delegates, which would make her the nominee, and she won't. Bernie STILL doesn't have 2 FBI investigations hanging over his head, and he won't. The superdelegates were ostensibly created to prevent a weaker general election candidate from gaining the "Democratic" nomination over a stronger one. Bernie substantially out polls Hillary in match ups against Trump. Come July 25th, we'll find out if the superdelegates will do the job they were created to do, or not...

Hillary Clinton is currently the "Presumptuous" Nominee. "Presumptive" is a misnomer.

[SouthernDemLinda]

99. You're SOOOO right!!!

Calling the outcome of primaries long before voting was over.

[larkrake]

83. I agree with them

[valerief]

85. I have faith in rigged elections. I just don't have faith in fair elections. nt

[thucythucy]

90. Elections show Americans have lost faith in rigged polls. Nt.

[midnight]

92. I'll second that-AP should be added to this mess too.

[MrMickeysMom]

103. Add to that.. THIS...

When the nominee cycle officially ends July 25th, life-long Democrats such as myself are sick of effectively being censored to tell this story beyond June 16th on DU.

Talk about rigged...

[Chicago1980]

109. Interesting... I didn't feel frustrated or helpless.

Though i probably would if I lived in a state that caucused when I work all day.

The republicans thought they were getting an outsider? Trump has been in the papers for 35 years and he's opened his mouth. How could you not know what you were getting with him?

On the democratic side... Hopelessness and helplessness? Talk about overly dramatic. Those crowds didn't always turn into voted. I mean, President Obama was able to do it...

People need to stop being drama queens.

[scottie55]

119. And Zero/Few Banksters Went To Jail - Not All Obama's Fault

The whole system is corrupt.

A pay to play Oligarchy with zero prosecution of obvious powerful felons.

When you get enough power, you are above the law.

Rape and pillage at will.

My family.......

[scottie55]

118. Without Violence It Will Not Change - The Oligarchs Have Way Too Much Power

My opinion.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

120. There are definitely lots of election issues that need to be fixed

but how much do you "water down" the primary process of a party with non-party members being allowed to vote in them until being an actual member of that political party sort of becomes meaningless? I know that an increasing number of people value their ability to declare themselves "independent" and not beholden to the whims of either of the two major political parties, which is all well and fine (and I support those whom do so). But if that's what you want to do, why are you so insistent about voting in the primary of one of the major parties if you don't actually want to be a member of one of them? And what does that mean for people whom actually WANT to be a member of one of those parties and our ability to determine the nominee for the party? I don't see a party wanting to maintain some control over its nomination process as "rigging" elections and I'm thankful that we have a system that can, at least in theory, keep out an extremist candidate like Trump.


I'm sorry that some people are upset and disappointed that Bernie ultimately didn't win. He ran a spirited campaign and racked up an impressive number of votes and primary wins but, in the end, he just couldn't-for whatever reason- win the majority of votes and pledged delegates and Hillary did, so she's going to be the nominee. However you feel about the Democratic Party and its primary election rules and processes (which are largely controlled by each state BTW), Bernie had his shot.

[Chakaconcarne]

123. Clinton just comes off as totally not genuine..

And has not said the kind of things Bernie has to energize the party and that is what we will need in November.

.in addition to the upcoming email investigations that will be dragged out til the 11th hour.

People had hope and are disappointed with the nominee. The voting issues, media treatment of bernie, party treatment of bernie.

Calling people sore losers is crap imo.

If you were a Kerry or Gore supporter, then I guess you were a sore loser as well.

Clinton has a ton of work to do. I wish her the best.