Dem Platform Committee Votes Down $15 Min Wage Amendment(updated)

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Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:46 AM - Edit history (1)

to clarify what happened yesterday
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Reflecting Sanders’ advocacy, the platform also calls for the expansion of Social Security and says Americans should earn at least a $15 an hour, referring to the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour as a “starvation wage,” a phrase the Vermont senator often uses. Sanders has pushed for a $15-an-hour minimum wage, while Clinton has supported efforts to raise the minimum wage to that level but has said states and cities should raise the bar as high as possible.

Sanders’ allies wanted the draft to specify that the $15 minimum wage should be indexed with inflation. But Clinton’s side struck down the amendment, noting that the document already included a call to “raise and index the minimum wage.”

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/06/24/dnc-committee-meets-in-st-louis/

[lapfog_1]

1. That's sad.

any idea on who the delegates were that voted no... as in were they Hillary or Bernie delegates?

[JudyM]

16. You get 3 guesses.

[840high]

69. One is sufficient.

[floriduck]

2. Here we go again. We're off and running.

[onecaliberal]

3. Aren't you all proud?

We can make people work for starvation wages, making sure they never fucking get ahead.

[99th_Monkey]

4. But Hillary's NOT pivoting to the Right. Nope. n/t

[swhisper1]

32. snort

[Scootaloo]

57. Well, this isn't a pivot...

[99th_Monkey]

81. She did her best

to sound like $15.

I'lll give her that.

[phazed0]

5. I expect to see this OP removed shortly..

It's not rosey nor favorable.

And so it starts.

[passiveporcupine]

11. this is not about Hillary. It's about the developing dem platform, which we need to know

This should absolutely be allowed here. It has nothing to do with the election. The election is about Hillary versus Trump, and this democratic party decision is not going to change that.

Please don't shut this down. We need to know what our party stands for or against. We need to know so we can try to shape it the way we want it, now, while they are putting the platform together.

If they won't vote in $15, what will they vote in? Will someone else present a lower number that is still better than what we have now? Hillary wanted to push for $12. Can we get $12? Remember this is a federal minimum. States and cities can still choose to go higher (as some already have). We need a better federal minimum than what we have now. Can't we all agree on that?

Why are they doing this now? I thought this would be done at, or after the convention.

Yes, we need to know who voted and how. We need to know who to fight for, as elections are coming up.

[Pharaoh]

13. It's simple trickle up economics!

It can only spur the economy!

[pnwmom]

46. The liberal economists who've studied this said the key is to find the level

that will raise employees wages WITHOUT causing layoffs. Their research has shown that nationally this would be a level of $12. per hour. Much higher than that might reduce employment,, which would not spur the economy.

However, since some locales CAN support a higher level, Holiday will support any cities or states that want to do so.

[merrily]

60. Liberal economists? LOL! Research? LOL!

[AdHocSolver]

79. Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour will BOOST the economy without losing jobs.

All economies are DEMAND driven. Economic demand for goods and services requires that people have money to spend and are willing to spend it.

Raising wages puts more money to spend into the hands of people who will spend it, thereby boosting the economy.

With people having more money to spend, more producers will enter the market to provide those goods and services, automatically creating new jobs to service the demand.

Currently, the major corporations buy each other out and eliminate "duplicate" jobs so as to keep wages low. Since there are fewer jobs to be had, workers have less leverage to bargain for better wages.

A higher minimum wage would put more money into the economy and "new" companies would have an incentive to compete for the business of the now better paid workers.

Similarly, forcing the corporations to pay their fair share of taxes would provide governments with the means to rebuild infrastructure, subsidize education, and provide affordable healthcare for all. All of these types of expenditures by government are investments in the future that will create jobs and provide for the common good.

[merrily]

80. What you talk? Economics is a science. That's why we averted mistakes that brought us to our knees

in 2008, all those unanimous warnings from economists whose advice we follow slavishly (well, when it seems to suits us), like Greenspan and Bernanke and Krugman.

[phazed0]

15. I agree 100% - I've been hidden no less than 6 times in 24 hours

for posting facts about Hillary in current news and Multimedia... all hidden.

In the fracking post, everyone decries fracking and how frackers are morons and RW nut jobs... yet, who is supporting fracking? *Hidden*

Don't post fact-driven videos (Current News) about Hillary's email server having the security turned off, facts be damned.

It was a facetious post to draw attention to the post (or maybe a bit to my frustration with the site that will not be named because that's against the rules now too). Whew!

[Andy823]

43. 6 times in 24 hours

And you are still here? You must be lucky.

[Vincardog]

21. The platform committee has to vote and approve the platform before the membership reviews amends

And approves it.

[passiveporcupine]

48. Thanks

That gives the platform committee a lot of power, no?

[swhisper1]

33. but it's covering the committee, so is relevant

[phazed0]

34. I covered Hillary's email server having the security disabled..

dealing with a Presidential race, facts provided by the State Department.. *Hidden*..

I agree, this should not be hidden.. but it's funny what passes for "News" and "Fact" around here now, or rather, what doesn't.

[swhisper1]

36. some jump on every word of every link, desperate to find a friend

so lonely in the internets

[passiveporcupine]

49. Yes, it's relevant

Rather than shutting down a thread with relevant information, they should just shut down the posts that tear down a party member or a DU member or group.

Although I did see one TYT thread today that was hidden and I understand why. Cenk was ragging on Hillary, so much of his work will no longer be allowed here.

[swhisper1]

56. and it is going to be history

[elleng]

6. Would like to see the actual votes/voters.

Anyone figure out how to obtain such?

[swhisper1]

30. me too.

[elleng]

35. Not that it would do us much good,

but there's always curiosity.

[swhisper1]

37. I want to know who is 3rd way

[elleng]

50. yes.

Too damn many of them.

[swhisper1]

53. that was pre-determined

[elleng]

54. Right,

along with the super delegates.

[swhisper1]

58. all taken care of, no sweat

[nuxvomica]

64. This is the best I could do

The committee members are listed after who selected them. The vote was 8-6 but I can only be sure of 4 yea votes based on the video, and one nay based on a Washington Post report. Booth is the executive assistant to Lee Saunders, president of AFSCME.

DWS -> Rep. Elijah Cummings
DWS -> Hon. Howard Berman
Clinton -> Paul Booth (N)
Clinton -> Hon. Carol Browner
Sanders -> Rep. Keith Ellison (Y)
Clinton -> Rep. Luis Gutiérrez
DWS -> Rep. Barbara Lee (Y)
Sanders -> Bill McKibben (Y)
Sanders -> Deborah Parker
Clinton -> State Rep. Alicia Reece
DWS -> Bonnie Schaefer
Clinton -> Ambassador Wendy Sherman
Clinton -> Neera Tanden
Sanders -> Dr. Cornel West
Sanders -> James Zogby (Y)

[elleng]

78. Thanks, nux.

[Skeeter Barnes]

7. I'd rather have a sit in on the House floor for $15/hr than for a gun ban. It would help

a lot more of us who could really use the money. Piss on those who raised their hands in opposition.

[phazed0]

9. Agreed 100% nt

[Dems2002]

17. Agreed!

Absolutely -- that would be amazing.

[midnight]

67. I know…. Those folks who raised their hands in opposition need to become better educated

about the reality of life below 15.00 an hour….

[SoLeftIAmRight]

8. tic tock

can't wait for the real show to begin

lol

[Hoyt]

10. They will just come back and pass $12/hr in very rural areas, and more in higher

cost areas.

[phazed0]

18. Good luck with that..

My bet is they go back to a $10.10 "compromise" that the Democrats ran on in the 2014 midterms... pitiful.

[Hydra]

20. Care to put that in the form of a wager?

There's no enthusiasm for it in the party leadership- they think if a person is worth more than current minimum wage, they'll find a way to get it.

[Old Codger]

14. Gee

Now there's a surprise NOT

[rhett o rick]

19. Let me get this straight. Democrats voted not to state that the min wage should be at

least $15 per hour. What's the message to the 99%?? This isn't even voting on a law, this was simply explaining where the Democratic Party stands on this issue. Well the Big Corporations are high fivin' tonight.

[Hydra]

22. This is a clear message to those of us at the bottom:

"You don't matter."

[swhisper1]

28. yup, DNC isnt going to win voters with that attitude

thats all I need in the direction of uniting

[TIME TO PANIC]

51. + 1,000,000 n/t

[840high]

71. I didn't expect different.

[newthinking]

25. This!

[840high]

70. Sad and frustrating.

[Geronimoe]

23. Walmart

I was talking to someone who works at Walmart, who claimed just about every employee at the store was on government assistance.

Oh wel, we can't expect them to upset their corporate donors.

[Old Codger]

24. Wally world

Is the biggest beneficiary of food stamps and ACA out there...they actually cost us more than they pay in taxes..

[Teamster Jeff]

26. The 8 nays are profiles of courage. Neolibs standing up to the riff raff. I'm so proud! GOTV

[swhisper1]

59. are committee members names published?

anybody know?

[TeddyR]

27. I don't understand why $15 hour

Is the magic number. Why not $10 or $20?

[swhisper1]

29. it is determined by a living wage. I guess they dont want us to survive-LOL

[TeddyR]

39. So $15 hour

Is a living wage in San Francisco, New York, Dothan AL and Helena MT?

[swhisper1]

52. it is low for san fran, I dont know about the others

[ToxMarz]

41. Flat $15 across the board has been adopted as the purity test

By the most vocal and purist progressives.

[passiveporcupine]

65. The federal minimum wage is always flat across the board

Many states go higher or use variable rates depending on the area. Some states refuse to even honor the Fed minimum.

[ToxMarz]

76. That's my point, this is not a magical number that if enacted we can all move on and say we won

It won't be enacted, it is not the appropriate number for the country as a whole, the fight will only start to be won when the (DEMOCRATIC) Federal Government supports a minimum wage that is a least not a joke (my opinion is $15/he is too high to mandate to the entire country), and then actively supports and campaigns for local candidates and legislation supporting a minimum wage that is most appropriate for the particular municipalities/areas. The Federal Govet can not fix this with a one size fits all legislation to force on the country. $15 is too low for some areas, too high for others. But the current minimum wage is WAY TOO LOW for any place. The bottom line is WE govern ourselves, we are not Governed. With a little backing, the people will demand and elect the people that will serve them best on this issue. What they need is genuine support from the party that they won't be hung out to dry if they fight for this, without it they will cling to their $7.00 an hour hoping they don't lose even that.

[That Guy 888]

83. ...and it has been dismissed by the most comfortable of corporate toadies in the DNC

Of course $12 an hour will be fought just as hard as $15 an hour. When has being reasonable worked with republicans? The reason it's $12 instead of $15 is to placate the big money supporting corporate representatives in the Democratic Party, I'm assuming at some future date our wonderful corporate tools will shrug their shoulders and say they tried.

What do you think the republicans will agree to?

[Hydra]

47. You want people to live on 10??

It should be more like $23, but I favor a guaranteed minimum income personally. $15 is the number we're pushing for and have gotten in places, but it's too much for the DNC.

[passiveporcupine]

61. there is a site where you can see what a living wage is for where you live

These rates are all for a single person...no children or dependents, working full time (2080 hrs/yr). There are other family sizes at the link.

San Fransisco county living wage is $14.36. Minimum wage is currently $9.

Tulsa county, OK living wage is $9.62. Their current minimum wage is $7.25.

Dallas County, Texas, a living wage is $10.21. Current minimum wage is $7.25.

Lincoln county, Idaho living wage is $10.15, minimum wage is $7.25

Malheur County, Oregon living wage is $9.82, minimum wage is currently $9.25 (note, Oregon just raised it's state minimum wage to $9.25...it was a lot lower).

DC living wage is $14.59, minimum wage is $10.50

Whatever federal minimum wage we decide to set will probably not be seen in full until about 2020. They are gradually eased in. So even setting it at $10/hour now won't be enough in 2020, even for many small towns and rural areas

use this link to check out rates for your area"
livingwage.mit.edu

These data do not reflect the recent changes in min wage to $15/hour for some of the bigger cities.

[840high]

72. Thanks. Seems I'm living

on $10,ooo less than I should be.

[passiveporcupine]

73. That's not good!

I'm under too, but not by a lot...only about 1500 a year...but boy what 1500 a year could do for me. Every couple of years I'd be able to manage a repair on my place, which is falling apart around me.

I hope you somehow find a way to alleviate that huge discrepancy...and I hope we get a decent minimum wage passed soon.

[840high]

74. Thank God I have no mortgage payments now. Sometimes

it becomes a choice of food or medicine. SS increases are immediately eaten up by food cost going up. Was without a washing machine for a couple of years - went to laundromat. One of my friends moved out of town and gave me his washing machine - heaven. I'm 77 and always looking fo part-time work.

Hope it gets better for all of us.

[passiveporcupine]

75. I'm on SS too, and it's hard.

Especially when they don't give us cost of living increases. My meds are going up like crazy. Food is going up all the time, and non-edibles are too.

I still have a working washing machine, thank goodness, but I have to fill it with a hose because the intake valve is shot. It won't shut off when the cycle is over. I'd love to get a new one, and a new dryer, as mine is a fire waiting to happen, but no way. They are just too expensive.

I'm so glad your friend gave you a washer. That was a very nice thing to do.

[katsy]

82. Maybe wages should have kept up with inflation.

It would only be fair. As it is only the wages of the top earners kept up and far exceeded inflation. But our representatives think its ok to squeeze the 99%?

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2680639.html

[chknltl]

31. Off topic but: I was asked to serve jury, possibly on this op or...

...posts within. I can see where it may have been alerted on by agenda driven* DUers. I was asked if I agreed with a rule involving 'trashing a Democratic nominee', (my words). I chose the option of not agreeing with that rule because I see potential for the rule's abuse. I never got to see the alerted on item because of my choice.

Fair enough.

If any Democratic hopeful, regardless of position running for, called for a minimum wage below a living wage, I think it right that such thinking be discussed and yes, even challanged by DUers without the fear of being alerted on.

We ARE DEMOCRATS, I still take pride in the fact that my party stands for the needy as well as the middle class. When we help the least among us we help us all.

*(by 'agenda driven' i am speaking about DUers still fighting old battles and/or DUers looking to abuse the system)

[sinkingfeeling]

38. Sad.

[Sienna86]

40. How very sad.

They are not thinking of the working poor. Anything less than $15 is not a living wage. Are these Democrats voting?

[colsohlibgal]

42. Disappointing

I would question as to why? I actually think $15 is too low.

But then I'm in favor of a floor income guaranteed for all adults.

[TIME TO PANIC]

55. +1,000,000 n/t

[AdHocSolver]

84. A $15 an hour minimum wage would be adequate for most people IF...

We had single payer affordable health care for all, free or low cost higher education, a large supply of affordable housing, and the corporations paid their fair share of taxes to pay for rebuilding our infrastructure.

[Ikonoklast]

44. Already paying back her financial backers.

And that ain't you or me.

Renumeration for those running Wall Street is going to move to levels not seen in my lifetime.


"Cut it out!"


"OK, I did what I needed to do, where's my check?"

[Still In Wisconsin]

45. Wow, that's disappointing to say the least. n/t

[sangfroid]

62. So $15/HR was shot down by the platform committee

Well, there you go. At least we won't have to hear that cliché repeated that the Bernie supporters should be happy with some mythical influence on the platform committee. So far it has gone less than well.

[TheProgressive]

63. The Hill says it did pass...?????

Because normal Democrats are totally about the truth : http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284888-dems-adopt-15-minimum-wage-in-draft-platform

So, which is it...?

[mountain grammy]

68. It seems the amendment was to confirm what's already in the platform

a $15 minimum wage. Looks like Congressman Ellison just wanted to make it clear and emphatic.

[midnight]

66. What the hell is wrong with these folks on this platform that can't even accomplish a

simple 15 dollar minimum wage.

[Indepatriot]

77. Welcome to "NO, NO WE CAN'T, WALL STREET WON'T HAVE IT" So inspiring...

But you know, Glass Steagal....er Ceilings!!!!!

[Festivito]

86. It's almost democratic. eom