Video & Multimedia
Related: About this forumDem Platform Committee Votes Down $15 Min Wage Amendment(updated)
Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:46 AM - Edit history (1)
to clarify what happened yesterday
(snip)
Reflecting Sanders advocacy, the platform also calls for the expansion of Social Security and says Americans should earn at least a $15 an hour, referring to the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour as a starvation wage, a phrase the Vermont senator often uses. Sanders has pushed for a $15-an-hour minimum wage, while Clinton has supported efforts to raise the minimum wage to that level but has said states and cities should raise the bar as high as possible.
Sanders allies wanted the draft to specify that the $15 minimum wage should be indexed with inflation. But Clintons side struck down the amendment, noting that the document already included a call to raise and index the minimum wage.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/06/24/dnc-committee-meets-in-st-louis/
lapfog_1
(29,189 posts)any idea on who the delegates were that voted no... as in were they Hillary or Bernie delegates?
JudyM
(29,176 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)onecaliberal
(32,743 posts)We can make people work for starvation wages, making sure they never fucking get ahead.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)to sound like $15.
I'lll give her that.
Response to Scootaloo (Reply #57)
Name removed Message auto-removed
phazed0
(745 posts)It's not rosey nor favorable.
And so it starts.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)This should absolutely be allowed here. It has nothing to do with the election. The election is about Hillary versus Trump, and this democratic party decision is not going to change that.
Please don't shut this down. We need to know what our party stands for or against. We need to know so we can try to shape it the way we want it, now, while they are putting the platform together.
If they won't vote in $15, what will they vote in? Will someone else present a lower number that is still better than what we have now? Hillary wanted to push for $12. Can we get $12? Remember this is a federal minimum. States and cities can still choose to go higher (as some already have). We need a better federal minimum than what we have now. Can't we all agree on that?
Why are they doing this now? I thought this would be done at, or after the convention.
Yes, we need to know who voted and how. We need to know who to fight for, as elections are coming up.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)It can only spur the economy!
pnwmom
(108,950 posts)that will raise employees wages WITHOUT causing layoffs. Their research has shown that nationally this would be a level of $12. per hour. Much higher than that might reduce employment,, which would not spur the economy.
However, since some locales CAN support a higher level, Holiday will support any cities or states that want to do so.
merrily
(45,251 posts)AdHocSolver
(2,561 posts)All economies are DEMAND driven. Economic demand for goods and services requires that people have money to spend and are willing to spend it.
Raising wages puts more money to spend into the hands of people who will spend it, thereby boosting the economy.
With people having more money to spend, more producers will enter the market to provide those goods and services, automatically creating new jobs to service the demand.
Currently, the major corporations buy each other out and eliminate "duplicate" jobs so as to keep wages low. Since there are fewer jobs to be had, workers have less leverage to bargain for better wages.
A higher minimum wage would put more money into the economy and "new" companies would have an incentive to compete for the business of the now better paid workers.
Similarly, forcing the corporations to pay their fair share of taxes would provide governments with the means to rebuild infrastructure, subsidize education, and provide affordable healthcare for all. All of these types of expenditures by government are investments in the future that will create jobs and provide for the common good.
merrily
(45,251 posts)in 2008, all those unanimous warnings from economists whose advice we follow slavishly (well, when it seems to suits us), like Greenspan and Bernanke and Krugman.
phazed0
(745 posts)for posting facts about Hillary in current news and Multimedia... all hidden.
In the fracking post, everyone decries fracking and how frackers are morons and RW nut jobs... yet, who is supporting fracking? *Hidden*
Don't post fact-driven videos (Current News) about Hillary's email server having the security turned off, facts be damned.
It was a facetious post to draw attention to the post (or maybe a bit to my frustration with the site that will not be named because that's against the rules now too). Whew!
Andy823
(11,495 posts)And you are still here? You must be lucky.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)And approves it.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)That gives the platform committee a lot of power, no?
swhisper1
(851 posts)phazed0
(745 posts)dealing with a Presidential race, facts provided by the State Department.. *Hidden*..
I agree, this should not be hidden.. but it's funny what passes for "News" and "Fact" around here now, or rather, what doesn't.
swhisper1
(851 posts)so lonely in the internets
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Rather than shutting down a thread with relevant information, they should just shut down the posts that tear down a party member or a DU member or group.
Although I did see one TYT thread today that was hidden and I understand why. Cenk was ragging on Hillary, so much of his work will no longer be allowed here.
swhisper1
(851 posts)elleng
(130,669 posts)Anyone figure out how to obtain such?
elleng
(130,669 posts)but there's always curiosity.
swhisper1
(851 posts)Too damn many of them.
swhisper1
(851 posts)elleng
(130,669 posts)along with the super delegates.
swhisper1
(851 posts)nuxvomica
(12,404 posts)The committee members are listed after who selected them. The vote was 8-6 but I can only be sure of 4 yea votes based on the video, and one nay based on a Washington Post report. Booth is the executive assistant to Lee Saunders, president of AFSCME.
DWS -> Rep. Elijah Cummings
DWS -> Hon. Howard Berman
Clinton -> Paul Booth (N)
Clinton -> Hon. Carol Browner
Sanders -> Rep. Keith Ellison (Y)
Clinton -> Rep. Luis Gutiérrez
DWS -> Rep. Barbara Lee (Y)
Sanders -> Bill McKibben (Y)
Sanders -> Deborah Parker
Clinton -> State Rep. Alicia Reece
DWS -> Bonnie Schaefer
Clinton -> Ambassador Wendy Sherman
Clinton -> Neera Tanden
Sanders -> Dr. Cornel West
Sanders -> James Zogby (Y)
elleng
(130,669 posts)Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)a lot more of us who could really use the money. Piss on those who raised their hands in opposition.
phazed0
(745 posts)Dems2002
(509 posts)Absolutely -- that would be amazing.
midnight
(26,624 posts)about the reality of life below 15.00 an hour .
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)can't wait for the real show to begin
lol
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)cost areas.
phazed0
(745 posts)My bet is they go back to a $10.10 "compromise" that the Democrats ran on in the 2014 midterms... pitiful.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)There's no enthusiasm for it in the party leadership- they think if a person is worth more than current minimum wage, they'll find a way to get it.
Response to cal04 (Original post)
Post removed
Now there's a surprise NOT
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)least $15 per hour. What's the message to the 99%?? This isn't even voting on a law, this was simply explaining where the Democratic Party stands on this issue. Well the Big Corporations are high fivin' tonight.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)"You don't matter."
swhisper1
(851 posts)thats all I need in the direction of uniting
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)I was talking to someone who works at Walmart, who claimed just about every employee at the store was on government assistance.
Oh wel, we can't expect them to upset their corporate donors.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Is the biggest beneficiary of food stamps and ACA out there...they actually cost us more than they pay in taxes..
Teamster Jeff
(1,598 posts)swhisper1
(851 posts)anybody know?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Is the magic number. Why not $10 or $20?
swhisper1
(851 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Is a living wage in San Francisco, New York, Dothan AL and Helena MT?
swhisper1
(851 posts)ToxMarz
(2,161 posts)By the most vocal and purist progressives.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Many states go higher or use variable rates depending on the area. Some states refuse to even honor the Fed minimum.
ToxMarz
(2,161 posts)It won't be enacted, it is not the appropriate number for the country as a whole, the fight will only start to be won when the (DEMOCRATIC) Federal Government supports a minimum wage that is a least not a joke (my opinion is $15/he is too high to mandate to the entire country), and then actively supports and campaigns for local candidates and legislation supporting a minimum wage that is most appropriate for the particular municipalities/areas. The Federal Govet can not fix this with a one size fits all legislation to force on the country. $15 is too low for some areas, too high for others. But the current minimum wage is WAY TOO LOW for any place. The bottom line is WE govern ourselves, we are not Governed. With a little backing, the people will demand and elect the people that will serve them best on this issue. What they need is genuine support from the party that they won't be hung out to dry if they fight for this, without it they will cling to their $7.00 an hour hoping they don't lose even that.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Of course $12 an hour will be fought just as hard as $15 an hour. When has being reasonable worked with republicans? The reason it's $12 instead of $15 is to placate the big money supporting corporate representatives in the Democratic Party, I'm assuming at some future date our wonderful corporate tools will shrug their shoulders and say they tried.
What do you think the republicans will agree to?
Hydra
(14,459 posts)It should be more like $23, but I favor a guaranteed minimum income personally. $15 is the number we're pushing for and have gotten in places, but it's too much for the DNC.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)These rates are all for a single person...no children or dependents, working full time (2080 hrs/yr). There are other family sizes at the link.
San Fransisco county living wage is $14.36. Minimum wage is currently $9.
Tulsa county, OK living wage is $9.62. Their current minimum wage is $7.25.
Dallas County, Texas, a living wage is $10.21. Current minimum wage is $7.25.
Lincoln county, Idaho living wage is $10.15, minimum wage is $7.25
Malheur County, Oregon living wage is $9.82, minimum wage is currently $9.25 (note, Oregon just raised it's state minimum wage to $9.25...it was a lot lower).
DC living wage is $14.59, minimum wage is $10.50
Whatever federal minimum wage we decide to set will probably not be seen in full until about 2020. They are gradually eased in. So even setting it at $10/hour now won't be enough in 2020, even for many small towns and rural areas
use this link to check out rates for your area"
livingwage.mit.edu
These data do not reflect the recent changes in min wage to $15/hour for some of the bigger cities.
840high
(17,196 posts)on $10,ooo less than I should be.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I'm under too, but not by a lot...only about 1500 a year...but boy what 1500 a year could do for me. Every couple of years I'd be able to manage a repair on my place, which is falling apart around me.
I hope you somehow find a way to alleviate that huge discrepancy...and I hope we get a decent minimum wage passed soon.
840high
(17,196 posts)it becomes a choice of food or medicine. SS increases are immediately eaten up by food cost going up. Was without a washing machine for a couple of years - went to laundromat. One of my friends moved out of town and gave me his washing machine - heaven. I'm 77 and always looking fo part-time work.
Hope it gets better for all of us.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Especially when they don't give us cost of living increases. My meds are going up like crazy. Food is going up all the time, and non-edibles are too.
I still have a working washing machine, thank goodness, but I have to fill it with a hose because the intake valve is shot. It won't shut off when the cycle is over. I'd love to get a new one, and a new dryer, as mine is a fire waiting to happen, but no way. They are just too expensive.
I'm so glad your friend gave you a washer. That was a very nice thing to do.
katsy
(4,246 posts)It would only be fair. As it is only the wages of the top earners kept up and far exceeded inflation. But our representatives think its ok to squeeze the 99%?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2680639.html
chknltl
(10,558 posts)...posts within. I can see where it may have been alerted on by agenda driven* DUers. I was asked if I agreed with a rule involving 'trashing a Democratic nominee', (my words). I chose the option of not agreeing with that rule because I see potential for the rule's abuse. I never got to see the alerted on item because of my choice.
Fair enough.
If any Democratic hopeful, regardless of position running for, called for a minimum wage below a living wage, I think it right that such thinking be discussed and yes, even challanged by DUers without the fear of being alerted on.
We ARE DEMOCRATS, I still take pride in the fact that my party stands for the needy as well as the middle class. When we help the least among us we help us all.
*(by 'agenda driven' i am speaking about DUers still fighting old battles and/or DUers looking to abuse the system)
sinkingfeeling
(51,432 posts)Sienna86
(2,148 posts)They are not thinking of the working poor. Anything less than $15 is not a living wage. Are these Democrats voting?
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I would question as to why? I actually think $15 is too low.
But then I'm in favor of a floor income guaranteed for all adults.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)AdHocSolver
(2,561 posts)We had single payer affordable health care for all, free or low cost higher education, a large supply of affordable housing, and the corporations paid their fair share of taxes to pay for rebuilding our infrastructure.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)And that ain't you or me.
Renumeration for those running Wall Street is going to move to levels not seen in my lifetime.
"Cut it out!"
"OK, I did what I needed to do, where's my check?"
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)sangfroid
(212 posts)Well, there you go. At least we won't have to hear that cliché repeated that the Bernie supporters should be happy with some mythical influence on the platform committee. So far it has gone less than well.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Because normal Democrats are totally about the truth : http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284888-dems-adopt-15-minimum-wage-in-draft-platform
So, which is it...?
mountain grammy
(26,594 posts)a $15 minimum wage. Looks like Congressman Ellison just wanted to make it clear and emphatic.
midnight
(26,624 posts)simple 15 dollar minimum wage.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)But you know, Glass Steagal....er Ceilings!!!!!