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Hate Rising Trump in America Documentary with Jorge Ramos: (Original Post) mucifer Oct 2016 OP
"We're God's people" DK504 Oct 2016 #2
Highly recommended viewing... Moostache Oct 2016 #3
"That's not racist, that's a fact" IronLionZion Oct 2016 #4
This is exactly the sort of delusional idiot I ran away from home in 1976 to get away from. nightscanner59 Oct 2016 #5
I'm glad you're still here, nightscanner tom_kelly Oct 2016 #9
Wow. Sympathy for your loss. It's all too common. nightscanner59 Oct 2016 #13
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2016 #6
Very sad but why bother kacekwl Oct 2016 #7
Yes, there is no cure for stupid elmac Oct 2016 #8
I agree tom_kelly Oct 2016 #10
Not always true Here is an interesting and uplifting event that happened: mucifer Oct 2016 #11
It was interesting. Behind the Aegis Oct 2016 #12
He definitely focused mostly on Mexicans and Muslims. But, he started by talking about mucifer Oct 2016 #14

DK504

(3,847 posts)
2. "We're God's people"
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:05 AM
Oct 2016

This knuckle dragger says the whites are superior and he can barely finish a proper sentence. He answers every question with a question.

If these superior whites are so superior to every one else why do they always hide their faces? Why aren't they proud of the division they have caused in OUR country?

Acting like animals in front of children shows these Nazis show how very inferior they are as humans. I want to know if Swedish or Finish, or Norwegian people decided to speak in their native language what exactly happen to them?

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
3. Highly recommended viewing...
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:33 PM
Oct 2016

Jorge Ramos has some serious cajones to go to the places he did and film that.

These white power types have had the exact same message for decades. The same list of grievances, the same irrational hatred, the same fact-free existence.

The difference now is that the fact-free world and the fact-based reality are being treated as if there were actually a substantive difference of "opinion" causing it. I am sickened by what I saw, but also fascinated by the stories and strength of the victims of this unacceptable hate.

Evolution is not keeping pace with technology or society. The apes that evolved and left the savannas as hunter/gather tribes and clans have barely had time on the geological stage to stretch and the growing pains are extremely plain to see, but make no mistake, the path forward is not to draw tight circles around the "in-group" and fight the "other"...the path forward is unity, acceptance and ONE PEOPLE, ONE NATION with liberty and justice for ALL (not some).

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
4. "That's not racist, that's a fact"
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 12:41 PM
Oct 2016

which gets to the root of the problem. Calling them racist doesn't help. Many of them even wear it as a badge of honor and claim that they've been called it so often by so many people it means nothing to them.

There are politicians who are being more open about it because of Trump. But there are millions of people out there who are being more open about it too. They've been inspired.

Even David Duke, the KKK grand wizard felt inspired to run for Senate again and that piece of shit polled high enough to get into the debate next Wednesday. People have already voted for hate.


nightscanner59

(802 posts)
5. This is exactly the sort of delusional idiot I ran away from home in 1976 to get away from.
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 01:16 PM
Oct 2016

I slept under bridges, dumpster dived, did many other things I can't be proud of in order to save my gay ass from the likes of this idiot "stringing me up" in a tree for being different from him. I really thought our country was making great strides in acceptance, understanding and tolerance of our differences and backgrounds until this recent, Fox Noize agitated pseudo-McCarthyist bullshit. Now the rainbow house across from the Westboro Baptist Crunch of hateful idiots has been splattered with graffiti, bullets and this "culture war" the conservatives are waging is quickly becoming a second civil war. I pray when Hillary takes office she makes appeals to stop this nonsense, but when I hear Trupeteers barking about her possible assassination, sometimes I think it's all gone too far.
Sincere attempts were made to take my life in the 1970's for being gay in a redneck town. I'm far too old to be sleeping under bridges in fear some idiot like this would come hunt me down. Donald Trump loves the poorly educated. My dog has more love, understanding and intelligence than a dozen of these delusional, aggrandized idiots.
I could only stomach about 10 minutes of this thing.

tom_kelly

(958 posts)
9. I'm glad you're still here, nightscanner
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 10:12 PM
Oct 2016

My oldest brother was gay and our whole family loved him just the same. However, his life was one of never knowing from where or from whom the hate would come. It came a lot. He spent years in the bottle, ingesting whatever drugs he could get his hands on living on the streets of NYC. One day he met a man who was able to calm him down. He was doing very well on the outside but must have been dying on the inside. He overdosed on Heroin 2 years ago at 57 after being clean for about 12 years. His partner said he went out for a walk that night and must have bought it then. His partner died 6 months later of a heart attack.

I mean it when I say I'm glad you're still here!

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
13. Wow. Sympathy for your loss. It's all too common.
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 11:25 AM
Oct 2016

And It's making me all the more motived to work on my novel about my homelessness venture, and how it came about. Despite having lived to see the day our president actually publically said "It gets better", there are those who actively work at seeing that "It doesn't". I did survive many nitty gritty circumstances most "straight" folks can hardly imagine, and all brought about by so called "Christians" who sort of forgot all about these words of Jesus: "What you do to the least of my brethren..."

kacekwl

(7,016 posts)
7. Very sad but why bother
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 05:06 PM
Oct 2016

trying to have even a hint of a intelligent conversation with this group of people . This hatred is ingrained into them and few if any will ever see themselves assimilating into the human race .

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
8. Yes, there is no cure for stupid
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 09:05 PM
Oct 2016

and these racists don't even speak English, they keep saying "we got our rots, we got our rots"

tom_kelly

(958 posts)
10. I agree
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 10:15 PM
Oct 2016

I think of the clip of Barney Frank telling someone that arguing with them was like arguing with a dining room table.

mucifer

(23,530 posts)
11. Not always true Here is an interesting and uplifting event that happened:
Sat Oct 29, 2016, 11:23 PM
Oct 2016
Here we find Ku Klux Klan regional Grand Dragon Larry Trapp, a wheelchair-using, nearly blind diabetic who can see just enough to identify the 36-by-48-inch Nazi flag and double-life-sized picture of Adolf Hitler on his wall. Trapp obsessively cleans an arsenal of guns on his desk. He wheels his chair maniacally from the telephone on which he sends hate messages ("You will be sorry . . . Jew boy&quot to stacks of KKK literature ("The KKK is Watching You, Scum," "The children of today will be forced to exterminate swarms of wild niggers . . .&quot .
Watterson shows us Trapp's devotion to youth training as he teaches tattoo-bedecked skinheads the "discipline" to become warriors for such KKK "missions" as "Operation Gook," a November 1990 action in which Trapp's minions broke into the Indochinese Refugee Assistance Center of Nebraska and "totally wrecked, then torched" the premises. We watch Trapp as he singles out black activist Donna Polk in a virulent campaign "to horrify and humiliate," as Watterson explains, sending letters calling her a "nigger whore" and threatening harm -- vaguely at first.

Trapp's hideous brilliance lies in understanding just how much "expression of opinion" the Constitution allows, Watterson shows. "Notice I said, 'I'd like to see you blown apart,' " he tells his skinhead students about a message he's left for the regional director of the Anti-Defamation League. "If I had said, 'I'll see you blown apart,' I would have been committing a crime because it would have been a direct threat. 'I'd like to see you blown apart' is just suggestive of threats . . . and is constitutionally protected. It's nothing I could be prosecuted for." Despite his addiction to violence, Trapp is also portrayed here as a master at mouthing KKK's peaceful intentions. " 'We don't advocate violence,' he insisted quietly. 'We advocate going through the courts, letter-writing, trying to do everything legally.' " Trapp hardly seems like a man reaching out for help, yet that's the way Michael Weisser, newly arrived cantor at B'nai Jeshurun, a failing Reform temple, sees him after Trapp calls Weisser with his first anti-Semitic message. As Trapp's visibility in the community increases (and, unbeknownst to the Weissers, his rage escalates to the point that he issues death threats to Polk and a disabled neighbor), Weisser and his family discuss ways of countering Trapp's


http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Klan-Leader-Overcome-By-a-Cantor-s-Kindness-3044219.php

Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
12. It was interesting.
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 02:07 AM
Oct 2016

It, however, glossed over GLBT issues and hate against our communities, and the hate directed at the Jews, also inspired by Trump. That was quite disappointing. I know such short documentaries can't cover everything, but it seems we often get overlooked, if not outright ignored.

mucifer

(23,530 posts)
14. He definitely focused mostly on Mexicans and Muslims. But, he started by talking about
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 11:44 AM
Oct 2016

Holocaust denying. When he reported on the Orlando shooting he focused on who died who was Latino rather than the anti LGBT hate. I think part of it was that it was less than an hour. You are correct it wasn't even when discussing which groups suffer discrimination. He did not interview anyone from LGBT community. There was someone Jewish challenging the fascists in one scene.

But, I think this video is being used as a GOTV for immigrants. They had it on Univison in prime time 2 weeks before the election. The frightened school children scene was very intense and real.

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