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Bernie Sanders In A Candid Conversation With Sarah Silverman (Original Post) portlander23 Dec 2016 OP
That interview seemed very yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #1
It was, at first, then it got good (and the box went away). JudyM Dec 2016 #3
You quit too soon. Plucketeer Dec 2016 #5
I watched the entire video yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #10
The part you described was a few minutes long with a timer ticking down... is that what you watched? JudyM Dec 2016 #15
I Disagree on the Liberal Progressive liberalmike27 Dec 2016 #2
"Progressive" is a vector, like "lift." It's direction is analogously circumscribed. immoderate Dec 2016 #12
Excellent concise distinction between liberal and progressive at 10 minute mark. JudyM Dec 2016 #4
No liberalmike27 Dec 2016 #8
I get that, liberal is more definitive, but Bernie is defining what progressive means to him. JudyM Dec 2016 #9
As Sarah laments.... Plucketeer Dec 2016 #6
Refreshing liberalmike27 Dec 2016 #7
Indeed Plucketeer Dec 2016 #13
I watched the whole thing LittleGirl Dec 2016 #11
Bad audio trof Dec 2016 #14

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
1. That interview seemed very
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:41 PM
Dec 2016

Chopped up plus that box was distracting. I wish it was more clear as to what was going on, it just seemed to jump from one sound bite to another.. not very good, in my honest opinion.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
5. You quit too soon.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:07 PM
Dec 2016

And the box went away after a couple of minutes. Whoever did that opening was NOT practiced at such craft.

JudyM

(29,192 posts)
15. The part you described was a few minutes long with a timer ticking down... is that what you watched?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 07:00 PM
Dec 2016

Or the nearly hour-long part?

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
2. I Disagree on the Liberal Progressive
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:18 PM
Dec 2016

I hate "progressive" because it denotes progress as more important, in any direction, than liberal progress. It's a directionless name.

Liberals are the ones who want pay equity, higher taxes on the rich, free college, free health care--progressives, like Hillary wanted minor, incremental change, from everything I hear her say.

So I think we need to embrace liberal, and stop allowing the word to be demonized by right-wingers, by Fascists.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
12. "Progressive" is a vector, like "lift." It's direction is analogously circumscribed.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 03:08 PM
Dec 2016

"Liberal" OTOH, is a scalar, and doesn't suggest action, or even direction.

--imm

JudyM

(29,192 posts)
4. Excellent concise distinction between liberal and progressive at 10 minute mark.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:36 PM
Dec 2016

Progressivism includes liberal doctrine and adds fighting corporatocracy.

Also great discussion about the essentisl importance of Dems standing up for living wage, healthcare, etc instead of directing energy to helping big donors'interests. Around the 25 minute mark.

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
8. No
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:17 PM
Dec 2016

Liberal has all of that--he's got it backwards in my opinion.

Liberals prefer peace to war, we don't want to get involved unless our own country is threatened.

We want corporations to pay their fair share.

Liberals want American jobs to stay in America.

Liberals want proper corporate regulation, and see regulation as simply laws for the "corporate human," and most liberals don't really believe in the corporate human. Liberals don't believe money is speech.

Most liberals don't really believe in states rights over federal rights.

Liberals believe in shorter patents for drug companies.

Liberals believe in higher taxes on the rich, liberals believe Capital earners should pay the same taxes as workers of all types.


What did progressives do, under Clinton? They helped cut Welfare. They locked up more people, by making more onerous drug laws, under the name of progressivism. Liberals actually believe in drug treatment, if needed, and decriminalization, in not treating addiction like a crime. And Clinton helped push globalization, not a liberal thing. Clinton allowed huge mergers in 1996, under the "progressive" moniker. Clinton deregulated banking massively, without campaigning against it.

So no, progressives aren't really "liberal." Liberal actually means something--progress can go in any direction, as we've seen by a short review of the Bill Clinton era.

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
7. Refreshing
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:11 PM
Dec 2016

You'd think more politicians would want to be loved, like Sanders' voters loved him. I guess not--they'd rather bathe in the bucks, relish in the mighty power of money and greed, and worship Mammon.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
13. Indeed
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 03:18 PM
Dec 2016

Wouldn't it be refreshing if politicians loved ALL their constituents - not just the corporate ones.

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