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(41,818 posts)Chopped up plus that box was distracting. I wish it was more clear as to what was going on, it just seemed to jump from one sound bite to another.. not very good, in my honest opinion.
JudyM
(29,192 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)And the box went away after a couple of minutes. Whoever did that opening was NOT practiced at such craft.
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)unless it was edited... I saw it all.
JudyM
(29,192 posts)Or the nearly hour-long part?
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)I hate "progressive" because it denotes progress as more important, in any direction, than liberal progress. It's a directionless name.
Liberals are the ones who want pay equity, higher taxes on the rich, free college, free health care--progressives, like Hillary wanted minor, incremental change, from everything I hear her say.
So I think we need to embrace liberal, and stop allowing the word to be demonized by right-wingers, by Fascists.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)"Liberal" OTOH, is a scalar, and doesn't suggest action, or even direction.
--imm
JudyM
(29,192 posts)Progressivism includes liberal doctrine and adds fighting corporatocracy.
Also great discussion about the essentisl importance of Dems standing up for living wage, healthcare, etc instead of directing energy to helping big donors'interests. Around the 25 minute mark.
Liberal has all of that--he's got it backwards in my opinion.
Liberals prefer peace to war, we don't want to get involved unless our own country is threatened.
We want corporations to pay their fair share.
Liberals want American jobs to stay in America.
Liberals want proper corporate regulation, and see regulation as simply laws for the "corporate human," and most liberals don't really believe in the corporate human. Liberals don't believe money is speech.
Most liberals don't really believe in states rights over federal rights.
Liberals believe in shorter patents for drug companies.
Liberals believe in higher taxes on the rich, liberals believe Capital earners should pay the same taxes as workers of all types.
What did progressives do, under Clinton? They helped cut Welfare. They locked up more people, by making more onerous drug laws, under the name of progressivism. Liberals actually believe in drug treatment, if needed, and decriminalization, in not treating addiction like a crime. And Clinton helped push globalization, not a liberal thing. Clinton allowed huge mergers in 1996, under the "progressive" moniker. Clinton deregulated banking massively, without campaigning against it.
So no, progressives aren't really "liberal." Liberal actually means something--progress can go in any direction, as we've seen by a short review of the Bill Clinton era.
JudyM
(29,192 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)God, I wish you were president. If ONLY!
liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)You'd think more politicians would want to be loved, like Sanders' voters loved him. I guess not--they'd rather bathe in the bucks, relish in the mighty power of money and greed, and worship Mammon.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Wouldn't it be refreshing if politicians loved ALL their constituents - not just the corporate ones.
LittleGirl
(8,279 posts)it was very good and I think Bernie had many good points. Sarah was good too.