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Bill Maher EXPLOSIVE Interview With Jake Tapper - "Liberals Can't WIN Trump Voters With FACTS" (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jul 2017 OP
Sorry. I find Maher smug and condescending bobbieinok Jul 2017 #1
To liberals and to Democrats bobbieinok Jul 2017 #2
What Bernie and Bill Maher Don't Get When They Attack the Left Over Identity Politics TomCADem Jul 2017 #3
Well said. BigmanPigman Jul 2017 #6
Thank you - that sums up my critic as well /nt jimlup Jul 2017 #7
maher is clearly bora13 Jul 2017 #4
Absolutely,"Nothing you can say can my mind" czarjak Jul 2017 #5
"The ball rolled through her legs" Doug the Dem Jul 2017 #8
Of course, the elephant in the room is never even mentioned. stevepal Jul 2017 #9

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
3. What Bernie and Bill Maher Don't Get When They Attack the Left Over Identity Politics
Tue Jul 4, 2017, 10:56 PM
Jul 2017

Is that the left is not insisting on the supremacy of women, minorities or religious groups. This is a caricature pushed by the right. Indeed, Trump and Republicans have repeatedly pushed the victimization of white males such that often vote as a block regardless of how anti-working class Trump's policies.

The left is simply opposed to discrimination and voter oppression. Likewise, Democrats, not Republicans, are the ones who have supported working class families. However, we CANNOT ignore the concerns of women, minorities and religious groups, because they are often scapegoated by the right. Put another way, Republicans oppress white men by creating this myth that they are being oppressed and crowded out by women and minorities. Racism and sexism becomes the new populism as Trump and Republicans validate the racist and sexist beliefs of white men by blaming immigrants, minorities and the entry of women into the workforce for their oppression. Working class white men, thus pay for the privilege of feeling victimized as Trump and Republicans then pass laws taking away their benefits to fund tax cuts to the rich.

Rather than ignore issues of race, gender and religious oppression as Bill Maher and Bernie suggests, Democrats need to point out that racism, sexism, and religious discrimination is the other side of the coin of oppression by the rich. Trump and Republicans preach hate designed to allow white men to feel both victimized and privileged at the same time and, in exchange, the working class looks the other way as Trump and Republicans take away benefits that they depend on.

Beware of members of the left suggesting that the problems Democrats are due to their efforts to protect women, minorities and religious groups. Protecting white working class voters and women, minorities, and religious minorities are not mutually exclusive.
Indeed, protecting their voting rights will be vital to Democratic efforts to regain political power.

bora13

(860 posts)
4. maher is clearly
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 09:01 AM
Jul 2017

one of the most pragmatic on TV.

He also doesn't mince words.

Wouldn't mind going to a Maher party either.

 

Doug the Dem

(1,297 posts)
8. "The ball rolled through her legs"
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 07:23 PM
Jul 2017

I sometimes think Maher is 'less evolved' regarding women than he believes he is.

 

stevepal

(109 posts)
9. Of course, the elephant in the room is never even mentioned.
Wed Jul 5, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jul 2017

THE VOTING MACHINES and THE VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The voting machines are "trivially easy" to rig or hack and voter suppression is trivially easy to do because people are not taken to court.

Find ways to "verify" the vote or start talking about and filing law suits about hand-counting paper ballots. AT THE VERY LEAST: TALK. ABOUT. IT.

Why doesn't the ACLU bring a law suit about the voting machines when they've got plenty of well done statistical studies of the differences between the "unadjusted" exit polls and the purported actual vote. In Germany a law suit in 2009 resulted in the throwing out of the voting machine as being inherently un-democratic. That is, the court said, unless the average voter believes that his vote has been counted fairly, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DEMOCRACY. It shd be a law suit on the order of Brown v Bd of Education.

For those interested in elephants in the room, here's an article about something no self-respecting US media outlet would cover:

http://history.edri.org/edri-gram/number7.5/no-evoting-germany

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