Sorry Gun-Fetish Freaks, But This Does Not Qualify As "A Well Regulated Militia."

[TrollBuster9090]

Yeah...I'm pretty sure Madison or Jefferson must have said something about supermarket customers using guns to settle disputes over sale items. Probably in the Federalist Papers. Yeah.

"The tree of Wallmart must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of sale shoppers and stockroom boys."

(The argument was over who'd get the last notebook on the shelf. Not surprisingly, the woman who pulled the gun got it. It's only a matter of time before these boneheads combine their fetish for guns with their professed love of Austrian School Economics, and claim that shootouts at Wallmart are a natural part of the free market economy. The Cato Institute will probably publish a paper on it.)

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/09/02/woman_pulls_out_gun_in_michigan_walmart_during_back_to_school_fight_over.html

[ExciteBike66]

1. Haven't you ever heard of "self-defense"?

You have the right to defend yourself against notebook-wielding maniacs like the shopper in the video! What if the lady with the notebook had ripped out all the pages and then bent the metal-ring-thingy into some sort of shiv? The courageous gun-owner could have gotten tetanus and required a very painful shot in order to prevent lockjaw!

[TrollBuster9090]

3. STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS, baby! USA! USA!

Notice the black guy high-tail it out of there as soon as the gun is pulled.

He could already see the incident report:

"Police are called to a riot at Wallmart. Arrive on scene to find five women wrestling over a notebook. Immediately shoot the fleeing black man."

[byronius]

4. That is what normally happens.

What a weird nation.

[ExciteBike66]

5. Smart

[rurallib]

6. I know that is supposed to be sarcasm, but is most likely what would have happened

had police been called.

[TrollBuster9090]

18. Absolutely! Especially if...

Especially if all they knew when they arrived was that 'somebody had pulled a gun at Wallmart.' They'd charge in, and immediately shoot the black guy holding the PRICE TAG 'PISTOL.'

[packman]

2. Posted this A.M.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029560959

[GatoGordo]

7. What is a "gun-fetish freak"

Is it someone who supports the entire Bill of Rights?

[Bengus81]

10. I would say someone who hauls heat to their local Wally World.........

And then pulls it over a notebook skirmish.

[maxsolomon]

12. it is someone who fetishizes one particular amendment

rather than the entire bill of rights. it is someone who recognizes no limits on the RKBA. it is someone who parses "well-regulated", insisting on a 18th-century definition. it is someone who utilizes slippery-slope arguments to oppose any new regulation.

but you knew that.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Hey our 4th of July parade had a bunch 3rd amendment freaks marching with "no vacancy " signs.

[Skittles]

17. if you have to ask....

[braddy]

8. Al Capone said that it is easier to get your school supplies with a smile and a gun, rather than

just with a smile.

[RVN VET71]

11. I think it was Willie Sutton.

Scarface Al, I think, only smiled over the body of a fresh kill, a naked dame, or a naked dame he just killed. Somethin' like that.

[braddy]

13. It seems it was falsely attributed to Capone, but might be from humorist Irwin Corey in the

1950s. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/11/03/kind-gun/

My philosophy is you can get more with a kind word and a gun than with just a kind word.

[SonofDonald]

9. Devils advocate

The constitution says "A well regulated militia", most normal people will think that's means the National Guard and then state that's what the statement means.

But you should remember that the National Guard didn't exist at the time the Declaration was created, this is what the answer is from gun nuts and not so nuts gun owners.

I own weapons, I will always own weapons, but I will never carry in public, I didn't buy them to use against another human being and would only do so if no other option existed, PERIOD.

Hunting is a reality, I hunted in Alaska alongside Alaska Natives more than 100 times in 17 years, I think I'm a responsible gun owner and would not make a mistake in their use.

But I'm human and can make mistakes, ergo I don't carry in public and no longer hunt anyway.

My older sister once told my Grandfather that she was a good driver, my Grandfather said "I'll consider myself a good driver when I reach the end of my life and have never been in a wreck".

I feel the same way about guns, I think I'm a responsible gun owner and I do everything to make sure that stays this way, but I'm not near the end of my life yet.

So I stay vigilant on the ownership of my weapons.

If they pull a gun over a notebook in Wally World, there is a problem, I don't know what to do, but yes, something needs to be done.

[angstlessk]

15. Now THERE'S a responsible gun owner!

I love your Grandfather's take on a specific case, which probably (he) had an entire philosophy I could agree with?

[TrollBuster9090]

19. DISCLAIMER: I too have a gun.

Here's my take on gun ownership. JUST MY TWO CENTS!

I too have a gun. I inherited it from my Grandfather, and it doesn't work. (My grandfather's Colt .45, a family heirloom) I keep it under my bed to point at any would-be home intruders in the hopes it might scare them away.

But I also have lots of relatives who own rifles, and hunt. And I have nothing at all against law abiding citizens owning guns for home defense and/or hunting. I also think they should require a national permit, a background check, and should be registered in a registry. Also, that people should have to bring them in to be inspected every now and then to make sure they haven't been illegally modified, or 'fenced' (re-sold) to crooks and gangsters. The gun lobby's talking point is that criminals get guys by STEALING them, but we all know the reality is that most criminals buy their guns from STRAW PURCHASERS who buy them from gun stores in Georgia, Texas etc., where the laws are loose, and retail them in places like Chicago, where the laws are strict.


What I definitely don't believe is that the Founders intended for people to keep guns as a means of overthrowing their own government should it become 'tyrannical.'

Here's my rationale:

1. The gun lobby tries to create ambiguity about what the Founders meant when they said "a well regulated militia." In fact, they said EXACTLY what they meant when they passed the Militia Acts of 1792. They meant STATE MILITIAS that are to be organized by the States, and which would be under the control of the federal government when needed.

Check out the Militia Acts of 1792:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Acts_of_1792

2. Almost as soon as the Militia Acts were passed, George Washington USED them to call up militias from Virginia, New Jersey, Maryland, and Pennsylvania to put down a TAX PROTEST in Pennsylvania (the Whiskey Rebellion). If the Founders really intended for armed citizens to rise up against their own government, the Whiskey Rebellion would have been exactly the kind of thing they'd have supported. Instead, they called up the militias from several states to PUT DOWN such a rebellion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

3. I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't read the whole Supreme Court DC vs. Heller ruling, but from what I did read, it looked like the SCOTUS ruled that they COULDN'T DECIDE (or agree upon) what the Founders meant by "a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," and just ignored the first clauses. But they then ruled that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" was an acknowledgement of what they believed to be a natural right (the right to self preservation).

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The fact that the 'militia' question has never been settled is probably the reason the NRA only has the THIRD clause as their motto. But in my opinion, the Militia Acts of 1792 make clear what the Founders meant by a Militia, and their suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion makes it clear that they WOULD NOT be on the side of armed citizens rising up against their own government just because they didn't like the laws or the taxes it was legislating. It's true that the original American Revolution was over taxes. But it was over TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. The U.S. government is elected by its citizens, so what it does CANNOT be an example of taxation without representation.

[SonofDonald]

21. I agree with you on the need

For a permit, background check and registry, as for bringing a weapon in for inspection for modifications you can revert a weapon back to stock if you have the skills to do so but some mods wouldn't be reversible, on some types of weapons or type of modification.

But yeah I'd go for all that, I have nothing to hide or worry about, and I've already had my State Patrol background check, I'm licensed as a Wasic level 2 due to my training as an emergency communications worker (911 operator).

I'm all for common sense gun ownership which seems to be lacking in some walmart customers.

I think the woman in the story above should serve some jail time, have any right to own a weapon removed permanently and my personal favorite.....

Have the four fingers of her gun hand broken, that might get the point across.

[Skittles]

16. people acting like that in front of children

disgusting

[DFW]

20. Republicans singing Pink Floyd

"We don't need no regulation
We don't don't need no gun control..."