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brought this song to mind. I sing it often whenever I watch the Donald or GOP "winning".
Country Joe McDonald..."Fixin to Die Rag"
"Give Me an F..."
cilla4progress
(24,718 posts)For why we keep repeating these mistakes is ego. Disgusting.
We are a doomed species.
BigmanPigman
(51,568 posts)and tortures others of their own species without the goal of being to obtain food and stop hunger.
However, I think it also happens with other species when it comes to protecting their offspring from predators.
SergeStorms
(19,187 posts)That song was a mainstay at many parties in the 60s and 70s. Since I was one of the few who knew all the lyrics, I'd lead everyone on the "Fish Cheer". To paraphrase Dickens, "Those were the best of times, those were the worst of times". The world seemed to be changing so quickly, after pretty much stagnating since the end of WWII.
I lost two lifelong friends in Vietnam (our lifetime being only 23 years at the time), and another (who was quite an accomplished musician) lost his left hand to a VC booby-trap. There isn't a week that goes by when I don't think of them, and what could have been were they still here. I used to think of them every day, but time passes and the mind takes a small break from horrific events we've encountered. I still visit their graves on their birthdays, and on the day's they were KIA. I still cry my eyes out each time I visit them. What a waste, and for what?
BigmanPigman
(51,568 posts)I saw Ken Burns and Lynn Novick on MSNBC today and they were saying that they think what happened during the war does relate directly to where we are now in our current politics. They were referring to questioning the government, grassroots efforts to successfully change or see various positions on different issues, etc. The only good thing I can see as a result from Vietnam and the disastrous policies by Dems and Repubs throughout the war is some great music!
I think it has inspired me to try my best to make my voice heard through civil disobedience in many areas of my work and my life. When I go to rallies and protests now it is not like a "fun/party" to me. I take it seriously and it is work, it serves a purpose. My health sucks but I am going to resist and continue to do so until I no longer physically can.
As long as you think about your friends they will be "alive" in your memories. Thank you for remembering them and now others will think of them just by posting it here....
cilla4progress
(24,718 posts)Your commitment inspires me.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)"Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong."
One reason we have wars is because it's good for some corporation's profits.
BigmanPigman
(51,568 posts)for political elections/reelections.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)those who believe in the flag and country. "Love it or leave it" was a popular saying during the Vietnam War by those who supported the War. It meant love our flag and our country (support the War)-or leave the US and live somewhere else.
BigmanPigman
(51,568 posts)think they own the flag, especially the "Proud Boys" (neo Nazis). I always think of "love it or leave it" when I see them. I smile at them and show them the "peace" sign just to piss them off even more.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)Moostache
(9,895 posts)War - especially the kind of 'war' we fight today, with drones and remote bombs and missiles as well as the human carnage of IED victims and regular enlisted men being gunned down - is ENTIRELY about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
There was a time when even the richest and most powerful men in the nation feared being labeled as a war profiteer (Hughes, Howard,,,Goose Spruce?) yet today, we exist in a world where BILLIONS go 'missing' from the treasury and outfits like Halliburton and Blackwater line the pockets of disgusting reptiles as the sons and daughters of the poor continue to die.
Two days ago I saw a pair of twins, 18 years old...a son and daughter of friends...they were in their Marine Corp dress blues, fresh from graduating basic training and awaiting their orders for deployment to wherever sons of bitches like that asshole Trump are going to send them. I pray they find favor in the luck of the draw and that they return to their mother and father unharmed and whole...though they are certain to see things that will scar their young lives forever regardless of their physical condition.
The people who profit from war and the sale of instruments of death are the lowest form of human life imaginable. Their lives are spent in the pursuit of killing. If there were an actual god, it would behoove him/her to end these parasites from on high immediately.
SergeStorms
(19,187 posts)in San Francisco in 1968. I was about 5 rows from the stage (the "stage" being a flatbed truck) in Golden Gate Park, and he sang that verse with a little different twist. Instead of the "man, this is war au-go-go" he sang "why man this war is solid gold". I think they mixed it up every now and then, depending on how much acid Joe had dropped.
That was one freaky summer, and a time I'll never forget. Haight-Ashbury......it seemed like the center of the universe back then, but looking back now with different eyes.....it seems like everyone was trying too hard to be "cool". The area was filled with reporters looking to file stories on "the summer of love", and "be-ins", "sit-ins" "love-ins", every sort of "in". It grew to be a farce. Some of them would pay some people to stage whatever type of story they were looking for. Like I said, looking back now......it was a sell out much of the time. Everyone tried too hard, and it wasn't organic like it was earlier in the "movement". That was a time when San Francisco had peaked, and the wave of consciousness had already broken and started it's journey back out to sea.
Damn, the things that are inside my head. I've had one heck-of-a life, and it's not over yet.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)the end of the peace and love movement there.
SergeStorms
(19,187 posts)wayward, totally lost kids. There were so many kids coming in non-stop. No place to live, no money.....just lost. It was really sad. They all came expecting the world to open up to them, but what they found were a bunch of people waiting to prey upon them. "Hipsters" getting the girls into porn, or worse. Heck, they didn't differentiate, boys were preyed upon by sexual predators as well. Drugs.....bad drugs everywhere. If you didn't know the people you were buying from, chances are you were going to get burned.
It wasn't all bad, but there were just too many kids streaming in all at once. A few more months of that and I escaped back to New York, which had it's own problems, but that's another story.
.. from what I've seen, they claim the continuance of the war was due to ego. If there's been much much mention of war profiteers I may have missed it.
I like that it is narrated by Peter Coyote, one of the original "diggers".
jalan48
(13,842 posts)more about the United States being an imperialist nation, much like ancient Rome. I have always like Peter C-I understood he was also a member of the San Francisco mime troop too in the early 60's.
Ohiya
(2,224 posts)I am just disappointed that I haven't seen it mentioned in this documentary. They point out how Kennedy, LBJ and NIxon were all more concerned about being re-elected than anything.
I almost wonder if they don't want to upset their sponsors.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)He went with what McNamara and the generals told him to do. I think it was more about Empire and the ability of corporations to have easy access to resources in those countries. We have done this elsewhere. I haven't watched the show myself-maybe they are trying to whitewash the real reasons.
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)was any good. Someone told me both them composed the entire 18 hours for Ken Burns.