Russian Avangard Hypersonic Missile can circumvent all existing missile defense systems in the world

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[Adrahil]

1. I'm skeptical...

The Russians, and the Soviets before them, have a long history of declaring experimental systems operational for propaganda purposes.

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2. It's not their first successful test

Russia again successfully tests ship-based hypersonic missile — which will likely be ready for combat by 2022 - 20 Dec 2018
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/russia-tests-hypersonic-missile-that-could-be-ready-for-war-by-2022.html

[Adrahil]

9. Again, we shall see...

I'm an aviation R&D engineer. The timelines are quite aggressive, even assuming no technical hiccups. But like I said, I've seen this movie over and over. Russia announced that a Stealth Fighter was "imminent" way back in the late-90's. Twenty years later, the Su-57 is a kinda, sorta stealth fighter (but using conventional engine cones, which will offer no IR suppression at all.) and a rather modest attempt at reducing radar cross-section.

And the Russians have a history of over-playing test results.

Not to say this isn't something to be concerned about, but keep in mind that the Russians have an economy smaller than Italy. They spend less than seventh on their military than we do. Putin is a the master of making "meh..." look like "oh no!"

Frankly, he wants us to dump as much GDP into hard weapons systems as he can get us to.

[FreepFryer]

11. Bingo. This piece, like most Putinist actions, is about outsized psyops first and foremost. (n/t)

[Crowman2009]

29. Not to mention massively editing film, pictures and art. In order to appear superior...

...or in some cases make people disappear.

[Shell_Seas]

3. Do you believe this?

I'm not saying I don't, but do we trust Sputnik TV?

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4. Seems to have validity (see above)

Putin's playing 9 dimensional chess against the U.S., right under our noses.

[FreepFryer]

6. LOL. LOTS of empty Russia boosting here.

This is a piece from Sputnik, a reluctantly now-registered foreign agent of the Russian state, and Putin is no chess master. He’s a thug and a criminal who is fighting an undeclared war against the US, with the only tools he has left. He was operating from a position of advantage because he was playing the game that other nations weren’t.

No matter what superweapon fetishes his agitprop engines feed, I will look to our own journalists for confirmation of the difference between a hype piece on a weapons test and a strategic advantage in the field.

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7. MSNBC & Washington Post are also carrying the story

[FreepFryer]

8. The story that the weapon could possibly be operational in 2 years. (n/t)

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13. "This is a piece from Sputnik." I can only answer your posted question, not future questions.

It's reported that the hypersonic missile systems will be deployed in 2022.

[FreepFryer]

15. Reported, or claimed? Is the report about the claim? Important not to swallow propaganda whole (N/t)

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16. You seem to have a lot of questions about this that you want me, personally, to address.

I'll give you the opportunity to find the answers you seek at any of the news outlet forums/comment sections.

Putin crows as he oversees Russian hypersonic weapons test
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russias-putin-oversees-test-hypersonic-weapon-60016274

Putin crows as he oversees Russian hypersonic weapons test
https://www.apnews.com/67501c7cf0ad42798f25c5e297517b20

Putin says Russia is ready to deploy new hypersonic nuclear missile
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin-nuclear/putin-says-russia-is-ready-to-deploy-new-hypersonic-nuclear-missile-idUSKCN1OP0NZ

[FreepFryer]

17. Actually, I hoped you would have been more informed and critical about the piece and it's source

Before slathering Russian propaganda uncritically on DU.

Those pieces you posted are all about the propaganda value of the test and announcement - which your posts completely failed to address, instead positing Russian claims as 9-dimensional chess, and representing a fantasy of Russian military superiority as a foregone conclusion..

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18. "Before slathering Russian propaganda uncritically on DU."

"I hoped you would have been more informed and critical about the piece and it's source"

Whoa!

What is your basis for making such a statement about me, personally? That insinuates that I posted Russian propaganda on DU due to my being uninformed or not having critical thinking skills, a story that's being carried by major news outlets from all over the world.

[FreepFryer]

19. It's not about you, it's about your entirely one sided posting of Russian propaganda.

I made no statement about you personally.

Next time, I suggest you discuss a controversial and propagandistic piece like that in context if you don’t want to be called out. Anything less does a disservice to everyone involved, including the original poster.

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21. "it's about your entirely one sided posting of Russian propaganda", but it's not about me?

Wow!

I'm not invested in this story. May I refer your further attention on this subject to the following?

Putin crows as he oversees Russian hypersonic weapons test
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russias-putin-oversees-test-hypersonic-weapon-60016274

Putin crows as he oversees Russian hypersonic weapons test
https://www.apnews.com/67501c7cf0ad42798f25c5e297517b20

Putin says Russia is ready to deploy new hypersonic nuclear missile
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin-nuclear/putin-says-russia-is-ready-to-deploy-new-hypersonic-nuclear-missile-idUSKCN1OP0NZ

[FreepFryer]

22. Without citation, you praised Putin's "9 dimensional chess" despite the fact that...

...all those secondary sources you posted center primarily on the propaganda value of the test and announcement, not on Putin’s ostensible brilliance as you did here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017525513#post4

When you post a piece authored by the Russian government, you owe it to DU not to do so uncritically. And you certainly should check your impulses to glorify Putin.

It’s not complicated.

[Adrahil]

12. And Av Week assured me in 1999...

That the Su-57 would be operational in 5 years.

twenty years later.... they may have limited deployment next year? In a cut-rate version.

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14. So would your argument be a red herring distraction?

What happened in 1999 might hold some relevance, but in particular to any new weapon system, probably holds little relevance. But thank you.

If their hypersonic missile system can successfully hit targets during tests at ranges of 3,700 miles, the relevance to it hitting targets at greater ranges would hold more weight.

[Adrahil]

23. No, my argument is that...

... the Russians have a history of exaggerating system maturity and stage controlled tests and claim operational capability. I’m suggesting that pretty much everything Putin says or does is a propaganda operation and should be taken with a grain of salt.

[jalan48]

5. This should be good for a bump in our Defense budget.

[Pantagruel]

10. Missing the point

Missile defense systems are porous anyway, no big deal to beat them, multiple missiles usually get through, other tactics also can foil them. High speed missiles would also be tougher to defend but I'd bet they have targeting and reliability issues-doubt they're ready for prime time.

[paleotn]

20. No offense, but this smells like Soviet...um, I mean Russian BS....

Current western systems can intercept ballistic warheads before and after reentering the atmosphere. That's a much higher bar than a hyper sonic missile. Inbound ballistic payloads reenter at 6 or 7 km per second. So, unless this thing goes faster than 18,000 mph or can maneuver at speeds somewhat slower than that, I think Putty spreading bullshit again.

[Lock him up.]

24. There's no point making stuff that could trigger a global nuclear winter.

Especially when a orange draft-dodger-in-chief is itching to press the button.

LOCK HIM UP!

[Freelancer]

25. I think I saw the "Pickers" van parked in the background.

Seriously, though, if you were boasting about your capabilities to the world, wouldn't you have something slick and scary in the background -- not some craggy fence posts. It looks like some hoarder's back yard.

[stonecutter357]

26. #facknews !

[3Hotdogs]

27. I don't know. Doesn't look like a real rocket to me. Looks like a cartoon.

[Bengus81]

28. Yeah...and they had a Space Shuttle too!!!

Which now sets in a park somewhere in Russia slowly deteriorating.