Rachel Maddow Left Speechless Over Clint Eastwood's Speech at RNC

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[Baitball Blogger]

1. She seemed very sad for him.

That was genuine.

[maddiemom]

23. Rachel is a true and rational human being.

[TahitiNut]

2. In a way, I'm glad that I don't quite feel compelled to kick Eastwood to the curb.

Ted Nugent, Dennis Miller, Jane Fonda, Charlton Heston, ... are dead to me. Clint Eastwood, however, inflicted enough damage to the "GOP brand" that I don't feel obliged to, for example, avoid his movie ("Dangerous Curves"??) coming out in a few weeks.

[Iggy]

3. ALL The Wealthy Old White Men..

want LOW taxes.. that's their thing. the GOP gives them that... and that is all they care
about

what's Eastwood worth? $750 Mil?

[Tunkamerica]

5. You can't say all. But most, definitely.

[Iggy]

6. You're Right..

Warren Buffett.. one the wealthiest people in the U.S., is on record stating he'd pay more
taxes... but he is the exception, not the rule.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. In Clint's industry what you are saying is simply and wildly incorrect

Look, Clint is not even in Forbes Top 400 while several Democrats in the film biz are. According to you, Speilberg is all about not paying taxes. Ron Howard, James Cameron, these men are not Republicans and they make Clint look like a pauper. Of the top ten riches Americans, nearly half are Democrats. The whole 'Republicans have all the money and all people with money are Republicans' meme is nothing but a piece of GOP propaganda.

[Iggy]

21. What a WEAK Load

uhh, nowhere in my original post did I say ONLY rich white GOP men bitch about taxes and
attempt to cheat their way out of paying taxes. nowhere in my original post did I mention
rich Hollywood types.

you're attempt to polarize everything into dems vs repugs is a load of crap.

that's not even remotely close to what I was talking about.

[maddiemom]

11. Wait, what happened to Jane Fonda?

Did she go all conservative and I missed it?

[TahitiNut]

13. She thought posing like she was killing Americans was cute ... like an amusement park ride.

I'm an independent liberal and Viet Nam veteran and I'm really not interested in arguing the point with anyone that presumes I'm ignorant, disloyal, or lacking the 'correct' perspective.

[patrice]

18. If she was against American Imperialism, she should have recognized that American troops

(I don't know how many, but maybe even a majority of them) are/were as oppressed as the Vietnamese, in a different way. There was that stuff going on at that time about how Americans should fight the draft and refuse to enlist, but none of it is/was as simple as "choosing" to raise your hand and swear to obey and to be subject to the UCMJ. Over simplifying that situation did NOTHING for the Peace movement and, in fact, may have damaged it.

Hope you don't mind my two-bits here: I am a Veteran, though not of combat, there are several Veterans in my family, mostly non-combat, but there is one Ranger and my Dad helped liberate Nazi concentration camps. Last week, some in my family were celebrating yet another enlistment, from one of the poorer branches of my family. I didn't say anything and will remain as neutral as I possible if I'm ever around the young fellow. But this is one more example of the most profound aspects of poverty that there is and, for whatever good she did, Jane Fonda also failed to do something very very important for these people.

[TahitiNut]

19. It's like kicking the dog.

It is NEVER 'correct' to put the blame on the BOTTOM of the ladder. When we're "in service to our country," we effectively suspend our role as SOVEREIGNS (The People are sovereign in a democracy) and place ourselves in service to the Will of The People. To be in service to a Nation is to be in service to PEOPLE. A 'nation' isn't dirt, it isn't elected officials (politicians we once called "public servants&quot , and it isn't some piece of colorful cloth. (Unlike corporations) it IS people! Possibly the most profound statement of faith in a democracy is to enter into National Service. When "the people" cynically abdicate their role as sovereigns, whining and whimpering about "they won't let me have my way," it's cowardly and childish.

The longer "We The People" cynically and dismissively put crooks into office and abdicate our responsibility to participate in a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" the sooner we'll face again the need to spill blood in the streets to regain the sovereignty we willfully abdicated. Forget Mr. Goodwrench, when it's "pay me now or pay me later" it's never so true as when it's political self-determination.

There was MUCH about "the 60s" that I loved. The people who directed their ire at guys in uniform -- telling the FEW to bear the greatest cost by deserting or refusing to obey orders -- those people were idiots. Even worse were those who "protested" hypocritically ... NOT "the war" but THE DRAFT. God forbid THEIR rosy little asses be "skin in the game" that compelled them to actually participate ... belatedly.

When Jane "crossed the line" from PROTESTING "the war" to the point that she actually posed on an antiaircraft gun like she was on the NVA side in killing Americans, there wasn't an iota of 'pacifism' in her motive. Joan Baez I revered. She walked the talk. She offered aid to the "boat people" and worked to help veterans. Jane Fonda is a despicable self-indulged hypocrite who didn't lift a finger to help either.


Beating up on "the troops" went on for a LOOOONG time. Not only were some spat upon (I was), they were THEN CALLED LIARS for saying so (I was) because of Lembke's specious "scholarship" that totally failed to examine the context wherein, at its peak, more FIVE TIMES AS MANY GUYS WERE CLAIMING TO BE VIET NAM VETS than actually served in-country during the entire war! In the "chain of command" The People are supposed to be at the top -- sovereigns -- and us poor enlisted grunts were at the very bottom. Beating up on those at the bottom is despicable cowardice.

That profoundly misguided error was compounded when the Reich Wing hijacked the merit of respecting folks in Service to their Nation and, in the 80s onward, equated honoring servicemen to supporting misbegotten wars! Fucking appalling! But they COULD NOT HAVE HIJACKED the flag or the troops if it wasn't for MISGUIDED and HYPOCRITICAL "leftists" (who don't seem to have the foggiest notion of what it means to be 'liberal') who scapegoated guys in uniform and were far more against The Draft than any war. Just. Fucking. Obscene.

[maddiemom]

22. Not interested in arguing w/y either. I thought you were referring to something

more recent than that old argument. Agree Jane was way overboard at the time, but she's "grown up" over the years, and it sounded like you meant she'd changed her liberal politics.

[SmittynMo]

4. Eastwood was a total disaster.

I was glad to see it. He did far more damage than good. It should have been an embarrassment to the GOP. I just see it as another 1% blowhard for the GOP.

[Javaman]

9. I seem him now as the metaphor for the repuke party...

a tottering old fool who so wants to hold onto his money so bad that he's willing do lower himself to such a point that he comes off as an incoherent mess.

[Plucketeer]

12. Eastwood DID HAVE a moment of truth to his spot

When he told the make-believe president that "WE" own this country - not you - he was ON the money. His and his wealthy compatriots money. They own the politicians and thereby, this country. More honesty than we heard from Ryan or Romney!

[TahitiNut]

14. I find it disturbing that anyone would claim to "own" the country.

We ARE the country. This nation is people, as in "We The People." The over-emphasis on property (or dirt) is obscenely materialistic, imho. Yet the GOP cannot seem to think in any other way.

In fact, it seems to betray a sociopathic inclination. When a politician clearly focuses on the "health" of a fund or account, rather than on the health of human beings facilitated by such a fund, and overtly sacrifices the latter for the sake of the former, it's a clear lack of focus on the most fundamental reasons for such a fund in the first place. Yet this misplaced focus is common in the reich wing.

[Cosmocat]

7. The really sad thing is ...

Of all the speakers during this stupidfest - THIS was the one most grounded in reality.

[DinahMoeHum]

10. Gee, seems like I missed all the fun last night. . .

I was at the Jimmy Buffett concert at Jones Beach (NY) last night, so I figured I didn't miss anything Mitt the Shit had to say, or any of the other 'Puke-faces.

Guess I was wrong.

[TahitiNut]

15. Parrotheads RULE!

Without a doubt, you made the best choice.

[PDJane]

16. I turned the sound off when he started rambling......in fact I missed most of the comments that way.

Apparently, I should have left the sound on. I admit that by that time, I was sick of the America is the greatest crap I was getting on a games chatroom, and it might have blown what was left of my patience and sense of humour.

Apparently, Americans saved us from ourselves, and are so far above us on health care that we can't even see you.....from Canada. It was getting a bit wearing.

[patrice]

17. I appreciate!! Rachel's reticence to take further advantage of an uninformed old man. nt

[MrsBrady]

20. this is really funny n/t