Pic Of The Moment: Who Needs Clean Power At Negative Prices?

[EarlG]

E.P.A. Finalizes Its Plan to Replace Obama-Era Climate Rules

Wind, solar surge pushes German power prices below zero at weekend

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[underpants]

1. You forgot the health and security reasons

like they cited in the pump fake on Chinese tariffs.

Windmills cause cancer you know

[dalton99a]

2. Specifically, windmill noise

"If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value," Trump told his fellow Republicans April 2. "And they say the noise causes cancer."

[underpants]

6. Noise causes cancer

[packman]

3. Would expect this move

what politician, being lobbied and financed by coal and oil, would even THINK of negative prices. Come on, let's be realistic about the whole thing.

[Victor_c3]

4. Low energy prices are all part of big oil's scheme to stay wealthy

With the proliferation of renewables, oil is quickly becoming obsolete. In order to stay ahead of the impending irrelevance of the entire petroleum industry, they have to keep alternative energy sources at bay as long as they can.

Additionally, the regimes of the nations that rely on exporting petroleum will suddenly lose their relevance. Without access to American aid and munitions, how will these guys stay in power? Immagine what that would do to a nation like Saudi Arabia.

Once a solar panel is put on a roof, it creates energy forever. Big oil will prevent that for as long as it can.

[Gothmog]

5. K&R

[Initech]

7. Windmills cause cancer and they reduce your property values by 75%!

I heard a guy on TV say that once!

[NoMoreRepugs]

8. Why are the Deplorables so anxious to destroy their own environment??

Majority of my extended family are college educated die hard conservatives who I know longer have any contact with. I just cant wrap my head around it.

[murielm99]

9. They shit in their own nests.

That is why they are called deplorables.

[lagomorph777]

13. Despicable deplorable disposables.

[Initech]

17. It's all about "owning the libs".

They'll gladly cheerlead the destruction of their own homes if it means that the "mean, loony, nasty liberals" get owned or triggered in the process. Keep digging your own grave, deplorables.

[lutherj]

10. These people are nihilists with a death wish. Conservatism is a cult, and many cults end

with a paroxysm of self-destruction.

[Kaiserguy]

11. Problems is

they are taking us down with them.

[lutherj]

14. Exactly.

[Duppers]

12. ++100.

And there are those religious sects supporting them and waiting for the Rapture.

[lutherj]

15. Yes, it's all part of the same mindset. There is nothing rational about any of it.

But I do think the tide is turning in our favor. The question is will it be fast enough to save ourselves.

[NNadir]

16. While this all sounds cute, negative pricing connected...

...with so called "renewable energy" is a function of its non-dispatchable nature.

This state of affairs has tremendous implications for overall electricity pricing which is precisely the reason that the highest electricity prices in Europe are in Germany and Denmark.

There are publications all over the primary scientific literature making this point.

When we view the dire issue of climate change in a cartoonish fashion, we are doing so with contempt for all future generations.

At the risk of being accused of advancing a "right wing talking point" I note that a recent publication in PNAS, authored by an array of climate and engineering academics from major academic institutions makes the point that so called "renewable energy" cannot replace dangerous fossil fuels.

Therefore, our responsibility to future generations requires that we rethink our blithe assumptions.

It is a scientific fact with irrefutable data that trillions of dollars invested in so called renewable energy has not and is not addressing climate change. After a very serious decade look into the engineering issues, I assert it will not do so ever.

Climate change is no laughing matter.

We very much need to get serious and no one is really getting it, with the exception - I hate to say this because I really have little use for the guy - Michael Moore, who to my surprise seems to have suddenly understood what the "renewable" chimera really is.

[Still In Wisconsin]

18. But Obama liked renewables and burning coal triggers the libruls!

What more reason do you need?

[tclambert]

19. Yeah, but it's clean coal. Trump says they wash it.