In "Lady Justice," Lithwick Warns Of A Repeat Of "2020 Coup, But Done By Black Robes" - Velshi MSNBC

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In her new book “Lady Justice,” Dahlia Lithwick reckons with women’s relationship with the law, especially in the post-Trump, post-Roe era. “I think a lot of the levers of power are working as they are meant to,” Lithwick says of the Electoral College, “malapportioned” Senate, and the Supreme Court. One catch: “It’s advantaging white wealthy men, and that’s how it was designed,” she tells Ali Velshi. Instead, her new book casts a light on some of the women who fought back against the tide of Trumpism in order to form a more perfect union – for everyone, not just white wealthy men. - Aired on 09/25/2022.

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1. k&r for visibility

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2. At a time when we have so few...

...and I'm surprised we have any at all, Ali Velshi is a true giant. As is Dahlia Lithwick.

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3. So what will happen in the following possible scenario?

Suppose the people of a red state elect Dems, or even moderate Republicans, for Congress due to a large number of women voters lashing back at the overturning of Roe.

But the state legislature has a majority of RW extremists and MAGAs. The legislature overturns the choices of the voters and names far right candidates as the winners.

What will the disenfranchised voters do? Almost guaranteed that they will protest loudly in the media and in demonstrstions. But, is there any way that they can stop the selected candidates from being sworn in? Can the House refuse to accept them? Since it is an election for a federal office, can the federal government intervene?

The SC might rule before the elections that states can do this. Will the people accept that ruling?

Protesters would likely be treated harshly, maybe violently, by the state government. Will they fight back physically? Hold state wide work strikes in all job categories, union and non union? Would they try to overthrow the state government by force and is that justifiable?

What will be the repercussions of such an event?

[Rhiannon12866]

4. Good Grief, sounds like a terrifying scenario!

And haven't there been repercussions against the "fake electors" from the 2020 election?

[wnylib]

5. Yes, it is a terrifying scenario.

But it is also a very real possibility, which is why I asked about it.

Some red state legislatures have already passed laws allowing them to override the people's choices and more stares are working on similar laws. AFAIK, those laws now apply to presidential elections and choosing slates of electors. But would they, or could they apply those laws to elections of House or Senate candidates?

The SC is scheduled to hear a case about these laws. I don't know the date for them to hear it. What if the SC ruled in favor of the state laws? It's a very real possibility that they will.

So then what?

[Rhiannon12866]

6. We keep hearing that the path to victory in the midterms is to get out the vote

And I was already questioning how that would work in states/areas which have implemented voter suppression. This sounds much, much worse.

[wnylib]

7. It is exponentially worse to the nth degree.

In the upcoming mid terms, I think it is more likely that voter suppression and large scale voter fraud will be the case. The overturning of the people's choice is more likely in a presidential election.

But suppression and fraud could have the same results as openly denying the voters' choices. Then it would be us claiming voter fraud and false wins. Same question. What will happen then? Protests? Riots?

These laws are pushing us closer to the possibility of open street fighting unless we can develop alternatives for dealing with the problem.

[Rhiannon12866]

8. I thought that those who attempted to overturn votes in 2020 were facing legal repercussions now

We well as those who attempted to intimidate poll workers. And here I've already been anxious and pissed off over the number of "Elise" signs I've seen in my travels - often side-by-side with "Zeldin." I had to look up who that was since this was before the ads appeared explaining what he was running for and that he's an unrepentant bigot. Obviously, we have even bigger problems.

[wnylib]

9. Yes, the insurrectionists of J6 are

facing repercussions.

What I was referring to regarding voter fraud in the mid terms is the number of reports coming out about some local frauds by RW politicians that occurred in 2020 and are likely to occur again in the mid terms. Some of those people have been caught and are also facing repercussions a long with the J6 insurrectionists.

But MAGAs do not stop or give up. They just fine tune their methods for the next time. They will try to alter the votes again in November. Combined with voter suppression laws, they could successfully turn votes in their favor even if their candidates don't wim legitimately.

People in districts where that happens will complain and protest. Voters who get disenfranchised by suppression laws will complain. In districts where the Dems win, despite suppression, RW candidates might refuse to concede, as happened in some PA races.

Carl Paladino ran in the Republican primaries in my district and lost, but refused to concede. His refusal was ignored and he is not getting anywhere with it, but this is NY, not a red state.

Don't let the Zeldin signs bother you. He will not win.

[Rhiannon12866]

10. I agree, this does sound scary as hell. It's taken long enough to round up "some" insurrectionists

And I remember Carl Paladino well, he was a real nut - and back in the day he held a "meetup" at a venue here, just down the road from my house! And I wasn't too worried about Zeldin, I don't think most people know who he is, if I didn't. I'm more worried about Stefanik, she only gets worse by the day, held a rare "Town Hall" by phone recently - and I found out after-the-fact that she blocked questions or comments from those who didn't agree with her. I would put nothing past her.

And I agree with you that there are many more like her out there and they are ready and willing to try anything.