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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsBronze Age (3,500 yrs. ago) Masterpiece found
After over a year of cleaning, researchers have uncovered an intricately carved gem: an agate sealstone, used for stamping an image onto clay or wax, that researchers have hailed as "one of the finest works of prehistoric Greek art ever discovered."
What is fascinating is that the representation of the human body is at a level of detail and musculature that one doesn't find again until the classical period of Greek art 1,000 years later," said researcher Jack Davis of the University of Cincinnati.
Amazing craftsmanship- more at:
https://www.sciencealert.com/bronze-age-greek-sealstone-pylos-combat-griffin-warrior-art-history?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencealert-latestnews+%28ScienceAlert-Latest%29
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)niyad
(113,278 posts)Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Must've been some awesome physical trainers.
ChazInAz
(2,567 posts)Most people walked wherever they were going: only a few rode horses. Take a look at some classical sculptures and you'll see some massive thighs and tusches even on the ladies. ALL work was hand work, and warfare was hand-to-hand, with the occasional bit of spear-chuckery and archery tossed in for variety's sake.
Tough life, back then. I wouldn't have lasted a day!
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)You gotta pay a trainer a ton of cash to look that good.
mdbl
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Volaris
(10,270 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)She used a ton of lard.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)Thanks for posting this, always love this stuff.
Peace
DFW
(54,369 posts)And agate can be very brittle, so this took some kind of expertise
bluestarone
(16,925 posts)what tools back then could possibly do this?
packman
(16,296 posts)Detail (see article, esp. the close-up shot of the spear-guys face) is AMAZING. This type of detail that small was thought impossible that early in any artwork, let alone done in stone.
Berlin Expat
(950 posts)was a highly specialized engraver who was very myopic and astigmatic, like myself.
I enjoy building model kits and one advantage of my myopia/astigmatism is that I can hold small pieces very, very close to my eye and paint them. My field of vision is less than 3.5 inches without glasses or contacts.
That could account for the incredible level of detail. I understand, though I don't know if it's true, that Carl Faberge employed people with severe myopia and astigmatism for creating the level of detail found in some of those eggs he made for the Russian Royal Family.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)That would certainly account for not having optical enhancements. No magnifying glass .
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)The entire object is an inch and a half wide. How you could see to create in that kind of detail is my question.
petronius
(26,602 posts)work out too well for the guy on the right. And probably not a good idea to wear a helmet with a built-in handle...
Fantastic artwork!
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)That is other worldly. Absolutely beautiful. Thanks.
zanana1
(6,112 posts)I love things like this; please keep posting!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)the warrior on the left grabbed the "handle" of the other's helmet , pulled it back and around (effectively making him ineffective) and is in the process of giving him a thrust with his sword thru the guy's upper chest.
LESSON- Never wear a handle on your helmet that is firmly attached to your head.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)It has been said that Knossos and Minoans were the seed of the Atlantean stories. Knossos was destroyed by the volcano on Santarini/Thera.
packman
(16,296 posts)that if Knossos and the Minoans hadn't been destroyed by the Santarini volcano, civilization would have been 1,000 years more advanced than it is today. Something to ponder.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Generally speaking it's pretty rare to discover pieces of antiquity that are 1,000 years older than anything else that approaches their level of sophistication, esp. when it's only around 2,000 years ago.
I'm betting it'll eventually be discovered that the piece is not actually as old as they're positing at the moment. Maybe even a total mistake and it's actually only 50 years old or something.
I mean, why take the time to give the piece the sort of 'shine' it has if it's actual purpose was as a 'stamp'? You'd never convey the shine onto wax, so ... why do it?
I'm finding this story a bit far-fetched, forgive me.
Then again, maybe those that put out the photo have taken some serious liberties with Photoshop. Also possible ...
blogslut
(37,999 posts)I would imagine the "shine" comes from the curators cleaning it up and wanting to make it look nice for the photographs. As you say, when embedded into wax, the shine would not come through but, from my experience working with stamps, the cleaner and smoother the stamp, the better the impression.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)on earth.
It is quite conceivable that the stamp is as old as they think and probably older. There are items that don't fit the timeline in museums and colleges all over the world put back and forgotten, until someone goes to clear out the old boxes.
She and her study group figures the history of humanity is much, much than any of us believe or were taught. There is a dense book called Forbidden Archaeology that gets into some of that. It's by the same author of Devolution and how our knowledge is actually going backwards instead of forwards. I wonder if time has actually stood still, along with this point; other ways, it has really sped up, giving us no time to think of the Unintended Consequences, e.g. 45.
Wisdom with knowledge would probably be a better way of putting it.
keithbvadu2
(36,784 posts)Just a rock... might make a good skipping stone.
But experience told them to look deeper.
MLAA
(17,285 posts)GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)Beartracks
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NJCher
(35,660 posts)It's just sad that it is about humans killing humans. That's our legacy and we sure have lived up to it.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)IMO, it should be on display somewhere and not sold to a collector. That said, wonder what it would go for?