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"A Confused German Shepherd Retraces His Steps When His Human Disappears From Behind Him"
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JDC
(10,125 posts)Now they attack me when they find me. Cant pull the wool over a dogs nose
hlthe2b
(102,205 posts)They enjoy the game all the same.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)On walks in the country/woods, my dog had a habit of wandering off, and I would end up going after her.
Eventually, I realized she'd wander off as long as it was "my job" to find her instead of the other way around.
After a couple of episodes of just turning back and leaving her, she caught on to whose job it is to keep track of whom.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Being a regular viewer of the court/judge TV shows:
Why isn't this dog on a leash?
tblue37
(65,290 posts)LisaM
(27,800 posts)It would also bother someone who was afraid of dogs. That is a very good dog, though!
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)My eighty pound Lab would be like, "YEAH, Mexico, baby! See ya!"
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)This dog here
would walk next to me without a leash in a crowd of thousands. I got him to the point where the commands "Come, sit, stay" were independent and would work at the extent of my voice range to him. If he could see me but be too far away to hear me, they would work via hand and/or arm gestures. I could get him to sit and stay, walk 250 yards or more away (I've done it, many times) and with a wave of my arm from above my head to my side, he would come running, round my back and sit.
It's all in the training. Your dog wants to please you more than anything. It will only run if it thinks it can get away with it.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)Now here's the story of the dog.
We adopted her as a young puppy from our local shelter. She was the last of the litter. She and her siblings were found abandoned in a parking lot, no mother with them.
She was completely untrained, and we don't know how long she was separated from the mother, but there were no signs of maternal modification in her behavior.
She went to puppy classes. She has had three dog trainers. None of them have been able to break her desire to run. The first one moved out of the area, the second one told us, after quite a bit of money, that there was "nothing she could do" and "some dogs just run". We've had our current trainer & dogwalker for almost two years. She is wonderful and knowledgeable, and still has to hold onto her collar when getting her out of the car, ect, or she will book. And she is fast.
She is perfectly trained in all other areas, as are our other dogs. They can be off leash and come immediately when called. I've got a lifetime of experience with dogs and have never owned one with such strong running tendencies.
Maybe you would have the magic formula.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)He's cute.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)He's been gone 13 years this past summer and I miss him every single day.
I don't think I had a magic formula, and in retrospect, perhaps my post above was too much of a broad brush.
The book I used is "Good owners, Great Dogs" by Brian Kilcommon, a student of the late Barbara Woodhouse. Ms. Woodhouse was famous for, among many things, being able to take a random shelter dog and get it to heel and have manners within minutes.
One thing Mr. Kilcommon stresses in his book is the training that effects outside behavior is served best by certain inside behavior modifications. Things that are sort of counter intuitive, like keeping the young dog (or even adult) on a leash INSIDE until it becomes aware of what you want, etc.
I didn't mean to diminish your efforts, not by any means, nor the poster above, and I'm sorry if I came off that way. I also understand that each dog is different, some more strong willed than others. But as I said above, once the dog is emotionally attached to you, its fondest desire is to please you. That is the key.
I wish you many years of happiness with your dog (Edit; ALL your pets!) and hope he (they) live a long and healthy life.
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)I'm sorry about your dog. I've lost several over the years and it is horrible. What was his name?
I admit I am hypersensitive when I hear the training thing, and I realize how it sounds when I say she won't come when she's called. It's her one wild hair area. When I was really sick last year, she wouldn't leave my side. If I got up to go anywhere in the house, she stuck so close it was actually starting to irritate me, lol. I agree completely with what you're saying about the emotional attachment and the wanting to please, but she is like that in every way except the running, which adds to the frustration.
I have read Woodhouse's book "No Bad Dogs." I will look into Kilcommon's, thanks.
I can't imagine my life without our dogs, although I am hoping for a Roomba for Christmas!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)BB for short.
The most gregarious dog Ive ever known. He didnt have a mean bone in his body and just simply loved everyone he met.
He also had a particular fondness for children.
Every pet owner has humorous stories they can relate and one of my favorites about Mr. BB involved my neighbors when I lived in Dearborn Michigan. I had taught BB to play dead by pointing my finger at him and saying bang, dead dog and he would flop over on his side and wait for the release. Not a particularly unique trick by any means. My neighbor in Dearborn was a retired ford worker who had grandchildren that often visited and they got to know Mr. BB very well. I had a fenced backyard so BB could stay outside unsupervised for extended periods. One day I was sitting inside, all the windows were open and I hear this Bang, BB, bang! Then some giggling, a couple seconds pass and then the same thing. Bang, BB! Bang!
This went on for three or four cycles until I had to get up and see what was going on. I looked out the back door and there is my dog next to the fence with the neighbor children shooting him with their toy popguns ! BB would dutifully fall over, lay there for a couple seconds, then get up and wag his little stump of a tail waiting for the process to repeat! The neighbor kids were shooting my dog and he was dying for them! He had a wonderful sense of humor if that can be attributed .
He was Named in honor of this dog, Ch. Mr. Beau Tye who was receiving the award that made him a Champion in this picture. Thats me when I was younger and good looking!
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)Seriously, what a smart clown for playing with the kids like that. That story made me tear up. Thanks for sharing.
RIP, sweet dog.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,365 posts)He lays with his back to the rising California sun.
Thanks for your kind words
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)on the heart.
procon
(15,805 posts)bred to be more independent. Its just highly developed instinctive behaviors, but even within breeds some dogs are more successful at maximizing their inherited traits than others. Certainly all dogs can benefit from basic training, but it takes a lot of repetition and dedication to progress beyond the simple "come, sit, stay" commands that all companion dogs should learn.
I have had Great Pyrenees for decades, a breed that is prized for being independent thinkers and capable of making their own decisions without human direction. They are vigilant and fiercely protective of their family and and everything within their territory, but still patient and gentle by nature, they would protect me to their dying breath (and they have indeed saved me and mine from harm on a few occasions)
They are difficult to train and I would never let them off leash because they have no interest in performing just to please. I am grateful for their intuitive intelligence and loyalty, if not their trainability, and knowing they are always on duty, makes me feel safe and secure out here in the boonies.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)I also had very soft directional pulls on his leash for certain commands when he was next to me and could not look at me. Out in public his commands were silent. He did everything by hand command. I would not work him without a leash in public but the way I did it he might as well not have had one. Well, actually I did work him without one in public due to a job that I had that he could not be beside me but he stayed in his place and if I fell he was there immediately to help me. Once in a while when some people would walk by he would get up and just come sit next to me ( he knew. ) At home we would play hide and seek also and I think that was actually a good refresh training to encourage him to want to know where I was at all times. He was one hell of and awesome German Shepherd.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)MiniMe
(21,714 posts)He was a Momma's girl, but the confusion wouldn't last long. Did something similar with my parents dog when I was a kid, used to run around and then hide in the closet, or behind the door to the basement. She would always find me. I could hear her tracing my steps, by smell I'm sure. That was a fun game for both of us.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Nice rainy day activity, the boys loved the game, the dog always "won" it.
fast forward xxx number of years, our retriever has been "finding" the cats, which is a bit more of a challenge.
packman
(16,296 posts)BTW - Why isn't he on a leash?
Virtual Burlesque
(132 posts)The man wasn't taken to Heaven.
packman
(16,296 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)He was worried something had happened to his human walker, feeder.
More_Cowbell
(2,190 posts)But it's still mean!
trueblue2007
(17,203 posts)we had one when i was a kid. he was beautiful.
True Dough
(17,301 posts)the music helped make it more enjoyable.
It reminded me of the time when I took our last dog, a female German shepherd now departed due to old age, on a walk to a great trail system full of trees, bushes and a lake about 20 minutes from our house. Getting to and from there was a pain due to walking roadside on the shoulder of a busy street, but it was a haven when we arrived. Off-leash for the dog. Our dog, Bella, loved it.
Anyway, on this one occasion I ducked behind some bushes when she got quite a ways ahead of me. I squatted there waiting. Had a grin on my face knowing she would be searching in earnest for me. And I waited. And I waited. After a few minutes, I stood up and looked around. No dog! I started shouting her name. No dog! So I started searching for her. After about 30 minutes, I decided to head home to inform my wife and enlist her services in trying to help find our girl.
Just as I get home, my wife was coming out the door, heading for our car.
"Oh my God, there you are! Are you okay? Is everything okay?"
I sheepishly admitted that the dog was lost.
"No she's not. She's in the house," my wife replied. "I had just got out of the shower when I heard scratching at the door and I looked out and there's Bella but no you. I was worried that something terrible had happened to you."
So the dog made her way all the way home without me, which was quite a feat. And it was a lesson to me to be careful when playing hide-and-seek with that dog!